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Post by HAL on Feb 25, 2020 19:30:01 GMT
mryelm,
Guess we are just going to have to accept that our viewpoint differences are irreconcilable.
HAL.
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Post by mryelm on Feb 25, 2020 21:42:37 GMT
Hi Hal! For now maybe we will have to agree to disagree, but I don't like most absolutes (meaning the incorrigible comment). Btw Hal, I have changed my world view a few times over the past thirty years while searching for 'truth'. If in the 'future' enough collaborating 'evidence' and other quantifiers emerges I may again trust the authorities aka the worlds view of science and what they distribute to the masses as truth, i.e. reality. Until that happens I have no choice but choose a priori truth over empirical science. Thanks for the discussion on this subject Hal ~
Oh, I should say I somewhat plagiarized a quote of Kurt Gödel in that last sentence. ;{>
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Post by HAL on Feb 25, 2020 22:45:44 GMT
You're welcome.
I aught to add that I have seen what is these days described as 'The Dorito' triangle. I mentioned it a while back.
So I am not a complete unbeliever on some aspects of the phenomena.
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Post by mryelm on Feb 26, 2020 17:04:34 GMT
You're welcome. I aught to add that I have seen what is these days described as 'The Dorito' triangle. I mentioned it a while back. So I am not a complete unbeliever on some aspects of the phenomena.
To my way of thinking someone doesn't have to believe in 'something' or believe that 'something' exists etc. to sit next to my campfire. I can only speak for myself but as long as someone is 'respectful' they will get that respect back. The only exceptions to that statement would be that I have no respect or wouldn't extend friendship for some obvious examples no matter what. You know what I mean... people like child molesters etc. are sick and need to be treated or...well I don't even like to think about them. By the way Hal I haven't seen a UFO, even a triangle...yet! But I did see something recently in the late afternoon sky as I was driving from Ashville NC to Nashville TN a while back. I will post a thread in the sightings section today I hope.
In any case thanks for your reply Hal ...
: {>
ps what do you think the triangle was? I'm sure you know a lot of those may be military craft. That's what I think most of them are. That said some of the things are truly big, and those are less likely to be a DoD trinket.... eh, or neh ?
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Post by HAL on Feb 27, 2020 19:56:58 GMT
The object was seen in 1982 (maybe 1981). I was living in Baghdad. In the early evening my wife and I were on the roof of our house when she pointed upward and said 'what's that ?'. Coming towards us, and not very high , as a triangular object with a light in each corner. The light was a diffused glow, similar to that from a fluorescent tube. Not bright and no beam.
It drifted across the sky and out of site.
Now, you have to consider the circumstances.
The Iraq/Iran war was ongoing.
We were used to seeing fighter jets crossing the sky. Noisy and often very obvious with the after burners on.
We could also here the planes taking off from Baghdad airport.
The anti aircraft crews were pretty nervy. So we had a few open up into the sky every now and then.
This object was traveling very slow. There was no sound. The guns didn't start up.
That is all there was to it. never saw it again.
But it wasn't a normal plane.
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Post by nyx on Feb 27, 2020 20:04:39 GMT
Hal,
If the possible can not be true, then the impossible must be true.
That is what I tell myself when I see a UFO.
You saw an UFO.
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Post by purr on Feb 28, 2020 10:23:10 GMT
PURR,
OUSTANDING INSIGHT!
HAL I'M SURE CONSIDERS...AND AT THE MINIMUM SHOULD BE QUESTIONING "I seem to notice you are equally skeptical of the existence of a Higher Being/God as to models postulating the Ancients may have adopted non-human Visitors (from the Cosmos or another reality, say 'parts unknown') as their tribal Deity." AS SYNTAX OF DESCRIBING 'GOD' TO 'MODERN HAL' COMPARED TO WHAT 'ANCIENTS' MAY HAVE EMBRACED WOULD BE (IMHO) BASED ON ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EVIDENCE/FACTS...IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN...I'D SAY YOU WERE IN 'STIR MODE'  HAVING SAID THE ABOVE AND QUESTIONING AT WHAT POINT WOULD AN ATHEIST "realize the latter possibility does not in itself conflict with an Atheist worldview?" AND TO THAT "Atheist worldview". ..WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD IT TAKE TO MODIFY SUCH VIEWPOINT?
A SUMERIAN STARGATE?
STAY SAFE TO THE BOTH OF YOU...I KNOW THE WEATHER HAS BEEN CHALLENGING!
SHALOM...Z
Thanks, ZETAR, will do, of course the Netherlands (my area close to Germany that is right now switching to pandemic containment mode, closing schools and cancelling Carnival festivities!) yesterday identified its first Corona case, a 56 yr old man who returned from Lombardy - Italy to the Eastern Netherlands. This patient has been isolated, all his contact are being tracked down. Serious stuff, it is getting very real. Case 2 identified as I write.
Fascinating image in your excellent post, suggestive of a (religious?) functionary, or at least human looking figure entering our world across three easy steps presumably bridging three 'rivers' (dimensional boundaries?) separating their point of origin from this here place. This also goes to Bonehead's reference to Genesis 6 commemorating the Sons of God's descent/fall/crash to Earth after which the prehistoric prediluvian world of righteous (=supposedly of pure blood untainted by the Nephilim newbees) Noah ensues: with the Nephilim offspring utilizing extraordinary leadership and prowess in forging great cultures and nations.
Moses reason for dealing with this huge story in one brief chapter may be that this faction of 'sons' and Nephilim (= the Fallen Ones who make others fall) bloodlines according to the Bible was considered ENEMY to the God YHVH, Arguably the entire Good Book may be construed to record a single forever war between the Nephilim side and the God of the Hebrews. Why 'forever'? Abra(ha)m was first tasked to be fruitful and multiply into a great people who had to go and conquer lands and cities of Canaan/approx. territory of modern day Israel, named after the child Canaan, formally son of Ham, who in turn was the son of Noah. Canaan was conceived from the illicit and cursed (literally, by a terribly hung over horrified Noah!) union between Noah's daughter in law (Ham's beautiful wife of ...what else... Nephilm blood) and Patriarch Noah himself while godlessly drunk. Little boy Canaan became patriarch to the Canaanites, the Land of Giants and terrifying masters of war, secure in great walled cities, the very land of God's promise entered by Lawgiver Moses, feared Generals Joshua and Caleb some 500 years after Abraham made the covenant (Torah / Old Testament) with YHVH. King David and his 600 heroes (an elite Nephilim slaying force) were still at it 8 centuries after Abraham, engaging in genocidal warfare. YHVH's Hebrew armies were charged to eradicate a discrete bloodline off the face of the planet...
The Bible seems to suggest the final outcome is still pending, with a new, intensely spiritual player, descending from David's line, introduced into the Great Game. Jesus Christ.
It is up to ones personal worldview whether to believe this story or not. My point: it is a story about God and Gods and Angels, powerful visitors OPERATING IN OUR WORLD IN OUR HISTORY and over time shaping it to become the world we see and experience today.
Following a violent encounter with a man who turned out to be the Angel of God, Jacob received a new, once to be (in)famous name: Israel. From the Biblical scene: "...Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him...."
ZETAR, maybe it began indeed as you put forward with various Encounters of the 5th Kind, real face time with such Visitors whose ultimate identities remain as yet mysterious. Here's another: Genesis 32:24-32 AKJV
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob’s thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Penuel the sun rose upon him, and he halted upon his thigh. Therefore the children of Israel eat not of the sinew which shrank, which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day: because he touched the hollow of Jacob’s thigh in the sinew that shrank. purr
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Post by thelmadonna on Feb 28, 2020 11:57:34 GMT
Purr could you tell me where/if the Philistines were engaged in this timeline?
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Post by purr on Feb 28, 2020 14:51:07 GMT
Purr could you tell me where/if the Philistines were engaged in this timeline? , Thelmadonna. These two peoples were engaging in skirmishes up to full blown war much of the time, especially under Hebrew King Davids rule around 1000 BCE. However Abraham was a long-time resident of Philistia. His son Isaac visited with Philistine King Abimelech. They were contemporaries to all major Old Testament Saints. The Philistine nation from about 2000 BCE onward occupied the southwestern coastal region of Canaan until the Assyrians finally defeated them 750 BCE and the Philistines disappeared from history. purr |
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