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Post by HAL on Feb 3, 2020 21:16:38 GMT
..There is a phenomenon going on!..
No one here doubts it.
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Post by mryelm on Feb 3, 2020 23:26:41 GMT
I attempted to use the quote function but somehow messed that up, Happened to me yesterday/ I call it daisy, days it works days it don't. The rael..org website I put up was in response to you. I believe too that spirituality goes with the UFO subject. Maybe even UFO based religion probably exists? Personally I don't know anyone or sect that worships UFOs or Alien's, but I would not be shocked if that were the case!
I suggest you contact Rael and ask him what form of Yahweh he meant. Religion is the most divisive creed that man has ever created. I need not go on with that one,, just take a look at what it has done over millennia I am sorry if I misquoted! As for your comment I highly, but respectfully disagree. Why? Many if not most scientists opine religion or spirituality began to exist when man (meaning man and women) began to produce cave art and bury their own with certain items. Archeologists and anthropologists say 32.000 years ago humans that were buried with grave goods and left cave art that depicted supernatural figures suggested they possessed religious beliefs. Without religion I doubt civilization would have began to exist but if it did hatch (lol), but it did and religion was there. Its obvious that religious belief allowed our species to ascend to such a level to build unbelievable pyramids, (even if ET, God? helped!).
It wasn't just the great pyramids, there are and were many magnificent structures built associated with religious belief. And artists and craftsmen created fantastic art and objects that were inspired and created for and about God, Gods and man Gods. I would also claim religion helped to an immense degree to create then assist science*. But you claim religion is the most divisive creed that man has ever created. The definition of divisive is 'something that tends to cause arguments or hostility among people' (definition from the web). I would disagree with that as well, war is one symptom of many for a deadly disease' that Jesus ministered against. That disease is greed. Greed for power, money, land, and control just to mention a few. Greed is the most divisive, the most toxic, lethal sin man can express. Greed can be eliminated, religious belief is the most sure cure to eliminate greed, but there are other methods
*…. New evidence suggests that religion not agriculture combined with religion created civilization.
**….https://www.onlineschoolscenter.com/25-impressive-examples-religious-architecture
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Post by thelmadonna on Feb 3, 2020 23:49:49 GMT
It can exist without religion. My country existed for 100's of years without religion. To many outsiders we were uncivilised.
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Post by mryelm on Feb 3, 2020 23:52:02 GMT
Ivan T. Anderson, British WWII intelligence, claimed he had enough evidence to prove UFOs came from civilizations in the oceans being the world is three fourths water. After his death his library and notes vanished. There could be multiple things going on, but the UFO situation has been going on for a long time. How do you explain that a lot of countries have spent a lot of time and money to keep years of reports and investigations only lately to be released on line? How do explain that J Edgar Hoover was so angry that the military would not share their UFO information with the FBI. How do explain all the eye witness accounts from pilots and police seeing UFOs like Capt.Ray Bowyer and the Guernsey UFO? How do you explain Mercury Astronaut Gordon Cooper going to the UN wanting the UN to explain his UFO sightings. I could go on and on. There is a phenomenon going on! Yes of course there is a phenomenon, as a MUFON and SETI (bionic) member among other things* I support the goal of forcing government transparency, that is we say to Government' ; 'tell us the truth about UFO's!' And use an respectable amount of government funds for discovery (of aliens technology etc) I as well as the members of UFO casebook are 'believers' and participants to varying degrees. But what I was saying and to clarify, I have no knowledge of an organized, established religion that worships Aliens' UFO's etc. I used the word sect because some definitions of 'Church' or 'religions' are very strict. And I do not worship anything except for God/Jesus Christ. Could the creator of this universe be ET? That depends on the definition of both the creator and ET !
*….(for example as an amateur astronomer it's not just stars I am looking for via telescopic observation! I'm not saving my coins to build a small radio telescope to look for emitters of radiation! Anyone want to donate for a good cause? lol)
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Post by mryelm on Feb 4, 2020 0:07:34 GMT
It can exist without religion. My country existed for 100's of years without religion. To many outsiders we were uncivilised. Yes, I agree a country or nation or even a citizen can exist without religion. I was making the point that civilization was the glue that held them together as they emerged from the stone age. And I was trying to say most religion is not bad, people are bad. Religion is/was often a scapegoat for a king or president etc wanting land or money and blaming religion on it, or using religion to gain a populations approval for war. Individuals (religious) too of when something bad happens God is blamed! The blame and anger should be placed upon themselves! Gandhi said something like 'I like your Jesus Christ, I don't like your Christians! I woud agree only he would have said 'I don't like your Christians that claim to follow Christs teachings but don't"!
Ok you say Outsiders said your country etc were uncivilized? We have much in common! Try being a East Tennessee hillbilly and getting a job in Hartford CO! Man, hang in there, I am proud of my way of life and where I live! These days there aren't many mountain people left. I would rather this area had not changed (taken advantage of by coal conglomerates that destroyed entire mountains and worse, they destroyed people!) ! l can always fly to NY or Japan to get my tech fix, but I cant fly to where the people were basically good, honest (kind-of) self sufficient etc. souls.
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Post by mryelm on Feb 4, 2020 1:10:44 GMT
..I believe too that spirituality goes with the UFO subject. Maybe even UFO based religion probably exists? Personally I don't know anyone or sect that worships UFOs or Alien's, but I would not be shocked if that were the case!... George Adamski ? I'll give ole' Adamski a look1 Thanks for the info! |
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Post by plutronus on Feb 5, 2020 8:01:02 GMT
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Post by plutronus on Feb 5, 2020 10:23:48 GMT
Ivan T. Anderson, British WWII intelligence, claimed he had enough evidence to prove UFOs came from civilizations in the oceans being the world is three fourths water. After his death his library and notes vanished. There could be multiple things going on, but the UFO situation has been going on for a long time. How do you explain that a lot of countries have spent a lot of time and money to keep years of reports and investigations only lately to be released on line? How do explain that J Edgar Hoover was so angry that the military would not share their UFO information with the FBI. How do explain all the eye witness accounts from pilots and police seeing UFOs like Capt.Ray Bowyer and the Guernsey UFO? How do you explain Mercury Astronaut Gordon Cooper going to the UN wanting the UN to explain his UFO sightings. I could go on and on. There is a phenomenon going on! Yes of course there is a phenomenon, as a MUFON and SETI (bionic) member among other things* I support the goal of forcing government transparency, that is we say to Government' ; 'tell us the truth about UFO's!' And use an respectable amount of government funds for discovery (of aliens technology etc) I as well as the members of UFO casebook are 'believers' and participants to varying degrees. But what I was saying and to clarify, I have no knowledge of an organized, established religion that worships Aliens' UFO's etc. I used the word sect because some definitions of 'Church' or 'religions' are very strict. And I do not worship anything except for God/Jesus Christ. Could the creator of this universe be ET? That depends on the definition of both the creator and ET !
*….(for example as an amateur astronomer it's not just stars I am looking for via telescopic observation! I'm not saving my coins to build a small radio telescope to look for emitters of radiation! Anyone want to donate for a good cause? lol)
It is my opinion that MUFON or as I prefer to name that excuse for a ET presence studies group, the "MUFFINs", is in fact some form of an intelligence community designed to identify, collect and suppress authentic alien exhibition information. I too, was a member of the MUFFINs, and I paid for the MUFFIN investigator training material and then I began to ask technical questions regarding that material and was unable to acquire reply from the headquarters. There were other oddities too many to elaborate upon, but in any case, borrowing a line from the remake of War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise, where the ENG (Electronic News Gathering) van gal was chatting with Tom, she said, "When the tripods begin moving, no further communication comes out of that area!" Well that is exactly what happens when the MUFFINs investigate any authentic UAP event, no further information is available as the MUFFIN investigators indoctrinate the experiencers to keep their mouths shut. Then there was CMS database. I met people who had experienced significant UAP sighting events who entered their experiences in great detail, and then, months later, would attemp to search for their own entries into the MUFFIN CMS sighting database, entries which were no longer available in the database. What happened to those database records? Then there was a chap that I met, who actually worked in the headquarters building, who physically inserted his detailed experience report into the MUFFIN headquarters paper filing cabinet, and then later, attemped to retrieve his report, only to discover that his report had disappeared from the headquarters filing cabinet!!!
Then there is SETI. Y'all probably unaware that SETI began as the NASA funded 'High Resolution Microwave Survey', or HRMS, which only after a few years, Senator Proxmire cancelled the funding, thereby killing the radio search for radio technical ET presence in the galaxy. A few of the HRMS scientists approached Steven Speilberg, with a radio search proposal for which Speilberg donated $750 million Dollars, thereby creating the SETI Institute.
However, it is interesting to realize, that SETI is based upon the notion that an ExtraTerrestrial civilization would be sufficiently technically adept to know that a specfic band of micro-wavelengths
through the media of deep space would be the least attenuated and that those wavelengths would be the so-called 'water-hole' frequencies, eg, appx 2,200 MegaHertz, traveling at the speed of light. Considering the vast distances between the stars or anything else out there, and the impractical 'slow' speed of light, at ~300,000 meters per second, constraint, a technologically advanced ET would also know that they are very unlikely to detect anyone else in the cosmos. Not to mention, that to detect a random transmission emitted from another star system, is almost guarenteed to fail, as planetary communications is very likely to be significantly lower power than that which would be required to be detectable at very great distances. Something like ET wishfully desiring to be able to detect two parties chatting by cell-phones, 40 thousand light-years away. No, in order for there to be any reasonable chance to detect a transmission from any transmitter way out there, the transmission would necessarily be intentionally extremely high-power, beamed outward in tight-beam, to conserve transmission energy for the long haul. Who would do that? Expend the energy to transmit a high-power signal for a million years in the hope of their signal being detected by ET?
An advanced ET would necessarily have developed a more practical form of communication as radio is just too slow. A possible great-distance-communication strategy such as perhaps quantum-entanglement apparatus or machine telepathy, unless of course ET are very long lived. It is likely, in my opinion, that a truely advanced ET specis would have learned how to engineer DNA, to indefinently extend life, but then again, who would wait for a craft to call home, and waiting the for the signal to travel a million years home and then the reply wait is another million years, traveling at the speed of light!
SETI is a technical joke. They are never going to detect anybody out there.
The following is just a small sampling of UFO religions, there dozens if not hundreds of UFO religions the world over, dating back to Mdm Blavatsky's period.
Raelism
www.rael.org/home
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
Heavens Gate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)
Aetherius
www.aetherius.org/dr-george-king/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetherius_Society
Re; UFOs or as I prefer AOP/UAP, as the latter phrase intends ET mecha, whereas 'UFO' intends anything that is aerial and unknown which may include alien mecha, but more likely, Human craft or birds or weather balloons, etc. Ad rem the point, many people believe that UAP are in some manner spiritual as they sense, often directly, that the object 'feels' psychic. And then there is the directed experience of being contacted by the variously reported alien specis, mainly Preying Mantis which I believe are misidentified Greys or are a sub-specis of Greys. Greys are know to be powerful telepaths, so much so, that ground observers, often know that they are spied upon by the 'drivers' of Grey discs, as they KNOW that they have experienced alien contact. However, provided that Greys are not artificial or synthetic specis, not to be confused with automata or cybernetic beings but synthetically engineered specis, may well be technologically enhanced. Warrior caste Reptilians for instance can fly, but their wings are much too small to support the girth and the weight of the individual, yet they fly, which clearly suggests that their flight is technologically enabled.
The evidence that I've seen suggests that what uninformed people perceive as being an observable 'spiritual' aspect of phenomena often associated with alien mecha exhibitions, are in fact a form of advanced, but as yet unknown, physics, which I believe is a form of psionics rather than being actually 'spiritual' in its nature.
As Arthur C. Clark once said', "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
That was mainly the result of an active, covert, (enacted by those who do anything for money Hollywood freaks funded by the US Intelligence agencies), 'nut-job' and giggle factor imposed in our society. Also the firing and defunding of research grants of any academic who became interested to study alien presence exhibitions, which was/is the impetus for the ad-hoc creation of the so-called 'invisible-college'.
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Post by plutronus on Feb 6, 2020 5:56:26 GMT
I copied this in 2010 ... it was on UFO Digest.... the link no longer works... Renowned U.S. Navy Commander Reveals Stunning Róswell Crash SecretOne of the most acclaimed Naval scientists in U.S. military history has stated unequivocally that the Róswell crash of 1947 was not of a balloon nor was it a hoax. Based on evidence he had seen in an official capacity, the Commander was instead convinced that the crash represents an event with deep implications for all of mankind. THE GENIUS COMMANDERCommander George W. Hoover was long associated with the U.S. Office of Naval Research (ONR). He was also a space program pioneer and innovator of numerous avionic and astronautical devices. Hoover was híghly awarded for his technical achievements including the Aviation Week Laureate Award, the American Astronautical Society's Spacé Flight Award, the ....<<deletia>>.... THE COMMANDER'S NAMESAKE SON: "WHAT HE TOLD ME ABOUT ROSWELL"George W. Hoover Jr. is the son of Commander George Hoover. Hoover Jr. is himself híghly accomplished. He is Berkeley-educated and degreed in Engineering Physics with an MBA from UCLA and a JD from Loyola Law. Hoover Jr. is today a Partner with one of the most prestigious and successful patent law firms in the nation. <<deletia>> In extended email correspondence with a research associate of mine named Aurimas Svitojus, George W. Hoover Jr. recently revealed some remarkable things about his father, Commander George Hoover: · Hoover was -in an official capacity - made privy to Róswell crash information in the 1950s or earlier · Hoover related some of this information to Hoover Jr. as early as the 1960s! · Hoover told his son "on a number of occasions" the he had personally "seen the evidence about the Róswell crash event that convinced him that it was neither a balloon nor a hoax" · Hoover Sr. either would not, could not or did not wish to elaborate any further on this with his son, even after several conversations · Hoover Sr. had "both a personal and a professional interest in UFOs" George Hoover Jr. confirms that his father spoke of the Róswell crash - by name - as early as the 1960s. This is yet another powérful example of people privately speaking of the Róswell crash well before "all of the hoopla" of media attention in beginning in the 1980s and 1990s. <<deletia>> CIA'S FRED DURANT ON ROSWELL AND HOOVERdurant11.jpg This author reached out to Fred Durant to see if any more information could be obtained on this. Durant is the former Secretary of the CIA's UFO study group "The Roberston Panel" of 1952, resulting in what is sometimes called the "Durant Report." Fred Durant and George Hoover were very close for a very long time, including when both were at the ONR. Durant is now 94 years old and living in North Carolina. He is stíll well-spoken and sharp, but very guarded. He was extraordinarily evasive with me in both emails (sent through his assistant, as Durant is now nearly blind) as well as in phone conversation. Durant stíll speaks like a spook. ...<<deletia>>... When asked about what Durant felt about the true nature of the Róswell crash, Durant replied, "To my knowledge, all investigations of Róswell were concluded years ago." Later he stated "to my knowledge, the story of the Róswell crash was one of misidentification of a Mogul balloon." Finally on the matter he said, "I do not believe that any evidence of unknown phenomena was obtained." ...<<deletia>>... Commander George Hoover had finally revealed what he really knew about Róswell. He explained the truth as he had learned it all those decades ago: · UFOs are not the "biggest secret" - it is the entities behind them that was of most concern
· Róswell was in fact a crash event of "visitors from somewhere else"
· The entities were "not so much interplanetary as much as they were literally also time travelers." They are extra-temporal.
· The visitors are clearly "from the future." There is reason to believe that they may even be "us" from a future Earth.
· These "future humans" have the ability to "manipulate reality around us."
· The government feared the intentions and abilities of the "visitors"
· These visitors are able to use the powér of consciousness in extraordinary ways to morph reality
· We human beings are far more powérful in potential than we ever dreamed that we are. We don't yet comprehend our extraordinary future capabilities.
· The visitors remain at essence though "corporeal" and "physícal" - and secret attempts at reverse-engineering the visitor's crash materíal were made
· Incredibly, Hoover admitted that he himself was engaged in such technology transfer as a Naval Intelligence Officer with Top Secret clearances Hoover appears to have been fairly sparse in his comments to Birnes (just as Hoover was with his namesake son) but his insight stíll speaks volumes. We learn that the truth about UFOs is held in secret. Róswell really happened. The visitors manipulate time and matter, perhaps as future humans. The role that can be played by fields of consciousness upon technology -and upon reality itself- is difficult to comprehend. And there have been efforts at replication of the crash debris by the U.S. Navy. When Birnes' interview of Hoover was related to his son Hoover Jr., the son replied that he was unaware that his father had said this, but neither did he discount it. Readers wíll know of this author's previous work linking Battelle Memorial Institute with the US Navy and the development of "shape-recovery" alloys inspired by the Róswell debris. Readers wíll also remember that this author reported on the US Navy's bizarre Mind-Over-Matter experiments on the "memory metal" Nitinol conducted by Nitinol's co-inventor, Dr. Frederick Wang of the Office of Naval Research (ONR.) The connection is rather astounding and it now cómes full círcle: ONR's Commander George Hoover confirmed that the US Navy was engaged in the reverse-engineering and technology transfer of the Róswell materíal. He also said that the "mind" matters. Battelle's metallurgist (and secret government UFO researcher) Dr. Howard Cross worked closely with the US Navy, including in providing valuable information on Titanium and Titanium-Nickel alloys (the basis for memory metal.) ONR's Fred Wang was inspired by Battelle's earlier work to create the Róswell-like morphing metal called Nitinol. Wang was also confirmed to have been involved in Mind-Over-Matter experiments to morph Nitinol with psychic influence. (See Róswell -Battelle article seríes archived on this site.) HOOVER'S MESSAGE TO MANKINDHoover died in 1998. ...<<deletia>> We wíll one day manipulate and morph the very fabric of space-time and matter itself. We too wíll traverse the vast cosmos in an instant. When that day cómes, the Navy Man tells us, we wíll no longer fear the Alíen. We wíll realize that we are the Alíen. Luvey,
Interesting post, thanks for sharing.
I knew a quantum cyberneticist (passed away from heart attack four years ago in 2016), he, in the mid-1980s to mid-1990s engineered a non-stored instruction, no digital logic, "quantum computer", as he called it, "for lack of a better description." He integrated his technology (electrical circuits fabricated by implementing the cyber-neticist's quasi-oppositional opponent wavelet transform models by an associate Ph.D. electrical engineer working with him on the project) into several small autonomous roving 'robots' he named "lil'corey" and "lil'ricci". These non-digital computer based 'robots' exhibited Human child-like self-awareness and were telepathically responsive. He too, told me, he believed that certain 'visiting' ET were us from Humanity's own future. He was quite adamant about the matter.
The Mystical QBLA reveals that **ALL** the timelines occur simultaneously, now. While I can't wrap my head around that, I know from my own visions that I can see both backward and forward in time, as well as seeing different events in any of the different timelines. Its a bit like seeing a slightly mutating fractal reflection in all of its possible mutations radiating outward of the One event throughout the cosmos, right now. And, functional Remote-Viewers all make similar claims. Here's the main jist, according to Mystical knowledge, everything is Mind including that reality which is perceived as being physicality. That portends that if one may change Mind then one may change reality, as well as do anything one desires, including traveling backward and forward through time, physically.
I have personally altered the past in the now to influence future events..
Myself having been a contract reverse-engineering consultant for various projects through the years, I believe that it would likely be impossible or extremely difficult to reverse engineer alien engineered technology. I suspect our first problem would be to recognize what an alien technology might actually accomplish, and then the second problem, intellectually reverse that mechanism into a usable knowledge to enable replication in a Human usable apparatus or function.
To give an example, let us envision a cellular-network mobile packetized full-duplex radio frequency transciever which society considers as being a commonly available 'cellphone'.
Humans carry these things around, seemingly always touching them, staring at them...what do these things do? We know, aside from all of the neato computer apps stored in flash, cellphones have or are becoming our portable carry-around personal computer which provide the ability to organize, store and retrieve useful to us, information, and are also our music players and are our portable in-network communication devices. We know that there are other features as well, such as being a medium resolution single frame or multi-frame digital imaging camera and sound recorders/players, and then some even have additional sensors such as magnetometers, temperature and humidity sensors, etc. But ET does not know any of that.
Now let us suppose, an alien visitor were to acquire one or a dozen of these ubiquitous devices and then return to their world with them, for the purpose to reverse engineer the devices. We are a supposedly primitive technically to ET as we are planet bound. They exhibit some form of advanced physics, but, are they sufficiently technically adept to be able to reverse engineer our primitive, sub-light communication devices?
Part of the process of reverse-engineering, is causing the device to function. It aids in the process of recognizing what a device actually does. But how would an alien be able to do that with an iPhone. Provided that the battery is charged and that the phone can actually be turned on, and that the phone doesn't have an Apple encrypted password (which our intelligence and police agencies are bitching about not being able to decypher), the telephone would actually light up. But it won't work, because cell-phones require the infrastructure of the radio-environment cell-network to basically function. How would an alien reverse-engineer get around that problem? We take it for granted. The same type things are the gotchas that Human reverse-engineers would face when attempting to reverse-engineer alien tech.
Let us change the scene a little bit. Let us drop that same cellphone back 60 years on Earth. Could Human electronics engineers 60 years ago reverse an iPhone? Remember that this would be in a period prior to the invention of microelectronics and all of the associated tools that we take for granted that are used to design, fabricate, solder, integrate into the tiny, miniaturized, using billions of transistors in our cellPhones. Ever take the case off, to peer inside a cellphone? One requires using microscopes just to see the internal components mounted on the exterior of the 20 layer printed-circuit-board, let alone actually being able to see the insides of those tiny hermetically sealed, complex integrated circuits which implement the hugely complex circuitry in the nano-metric scale of physicality. On the alien world, they can not even turn it on, let alone know what it all does and they can't make it work either, because they don't have the infrastructure of the network cell-towers which are located on virtually every street corner on Earth in urban areas. Same problem going back a mere 60 years on Earth.
How would Human engineers be able to reverse-engineer an alien device that isn't turned on, or even understand its purpose or function, especially when they find it scattered all over the desert 'floor' having crashed there? I find it very difficult to believe, in my opinion. Even if Human engineers had access to a complete craft, I think it would likely be difficult if not impossible to reverse engineer.
However, regarding the Nitenol 'memory metal' or "shape-metal" as it is also known, if it is psycho-reactive, and most materals are; dependent upon the telekinetic prowess of the influencing psychic, it is because it is the result of thermal differentials. The reason it is known as a shape-metal' or 'memory metal' is owing to the fact that once the material is heated, it thermally restores its distorted shape returning the alloy to its original physical geometry. Nothing too magical about it. There is a nice description of it in WikiPedia (I donate to them, and have written artcles for WikiPedia, one of the last remaining vestiges of the Old InterNet).
Nickle-Titanium or '"Memory Metal also known as Shape Metal"
It seems odd to me that the Hoover's son would not be informed by his own father, yet Bill Birnes of 'UFO Magazine' would have been trusted with that information. There seems to be something fishy about that part of the story.
One of my pet peeves is the notion that 'intelligence' agents or officers were or are privy to everything known about ET object presence and all through the years also. I think that is mostly wishfull thinking, and it is not consistent with compartmental isolation of elements of authentic classified information. I'm fairly weary hearing mis-informed people yak about all of these intelligence people who supposedly know everything ET. I hang out with ET scientists, we barely know what is happening, how do non-technical sociology/CIA agents know anymore than we do?
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Post by mryelm on Feb 6, 2020 20:59:50 GMT
Yes of course there is a phenomenon, as a MUFON and SETI (bionic) member among other things* I support the goal of forcing government transparency, that is we say to Government' ; 'tell us the truth about UFO's!' And use an respectable amount of government funds for discovery (of aliens technology etc) I as well as the members of UFO casebook are 'believers' and participants to varying degrees. But what I was saying and to clarify, I have no knowledge of an organized, established religion that worships Aliens' UFO's etc. I used the word sect because some definitions of 'Church' or 'religions' are very strict. And I do not worship anything except for God/Jesus Christ. Could the creator of this universe be ET? That depends on the definition of both the creator and ET !
*….(for example as an amateur astronomer it's not just stars I am looking for via telescopic observation! I'm not saving my coins to build a small radio telescope to look for emitters of radiation! Anyone want to donate for a good cause? lol)
It is my opinion that MUFON or as I prefer to name that excuse for a ET presence studies group, the "MUFFINs", is in fact some form of an intelligence community designed to identify, collect and suppress authentic alien exhibition information. I too, was a member of the MUFFINs, and I paid for the MUFFIN investigator training material and then I began to ask technical questions regarding that material and was unable to acquire reply from the headquarters. There were other oddities too many to elaborate upon, but in any case, borrowing a line from the remake of War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise, where the ENG (Electronic News Gathering) van gal was chatting with Tom, she said, "When the tripods begin moving, no further communication comes out of that area!" Well that is exactly what happens when the MUFFINs investigate any authentic UAP event, no further information is available as the MUFFIN investigators indoctrinate the experiencers to keep their mouths shut. Then there was CMS database. I met people who had experienced significant UAP sighting events who entered their experiences in great detail, and then, months later, would attemp to search for their own entries into the MUFFIN CMS sighting database, entries which were no longer available in the database. What happened to those database records? Then there was a chap that I met, who actually worked in the headquarters building, who physically inserted his detailed experience report into the MUFFIN headquarters paper filing cabinet, and then later, attemped to retrieve his report, only to discover that his report had disappeared from the headquarters filing cabinet!!!
Then there is SETI. Y'all probably unaware that SETI began as the NASA funded 'High Resolution Microwave Survey', or HRMS, which only after a few years, Senator Proxmire cancelled the funding, thereby killing the radio search for radio technical ET presence in the galaxy. A few of the HRMS scientists approached Steven Speilberg, with a radio search proposal for which Speilberg donated $750 million Dollars, thereby creating the SETI Institute.
However, it is interesting to realize, that SETI is based upon the notion that an ExtraTerrestrial civilization would be sufficiently technically adept to know that a specfic band of micro-wavelengths
through the media of deep space would be the least attenuated and that those wavelengths would be the so-called 'water-hole' frequencies, eg, appx 2,200 MegaHertz, traveling at the speed of light. Considering the vast distances between the stars or anything else out there, and the impractical 'slow' speed of light, at ~300,000 meters per second, constraint, a technologically advanced ET would also know that they are very unlikely to detect anyone else in the cosmos. Not to mention, that to detect a random transmission emitted from another star system, is almost guarenteed to fail, as planetary communications is very likely to be significantly lower power than that which would be required to be detectable at very great distances. Something like ET wishfully desiring to be able to detect two parties chatting by cell-phones, 40 thousand light-years away. No, in order for there to be any reasonable chance to detect a transmission from any transmitter way out there, the transmission would necessarily be intentionally extremely high-power, beamed outward in tight-beam, to conserve transmission energy for the long haul. Who would do that? Expend the energy to transmit a high-power signal for a million years in the hope of their signal being detected by ET?
An advanced ET would necessarily have developed a more practical form of communication as radio is just too slow. A possible great-distance-communication strategy such as perhaps quantum-entanglement apparatus or machine telepathy, unless of course ET are very long lived. It is likely, in my opinion, that a truely advanced ET specis would have learned how to engineer DNA, to indefinently extend life, but then again, who would wait for a craft to call home, and waiting the for the signal to travel a million years home and then the reply wait is another million years, traveling at the speed of light!
SETI is a technical joke. They are never going to detect anybody out there.
The following is just a small sampling of UFO religions, there dozens if not hundreds of UFO religions the world over, dating back to Mdm Blavatsky's period.
Raelism
www.rael.org/home
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra%C3%ABlism
Heavens Gate
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_group)
Aetherius
www.aetherius.org/dr-george-king/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aetherius_Society
Re; UFOs or as I prefer AOP/UAP, as the latter phrase intends ET mecha, whereas 'UFO' intends anything that is aerial and unknown which may include alien mecha, but more likely, Human craft or birds or weather balloons, etc. Ad rem the point, many people believe that UAP are in some manner spiritual as they sense, often directly, that the object 'feels' psychic. And then there is the directed experience of being contacted by the variously reported alien specis, mainly Preying Mantis which I believe are misidentified Greys or are a sub-specis of Greys. Greys are know to be powerful telepaths, so much so, that ground observers, often know that they are spied upon by the 'drivers' of Grey discs, as they KNOW that they have experienced alien contact. However, provided that Greys are not artificial or synthetic specis, not to be confused with automata or cybernetic beings but synthetically engineered specis, may well be technologically enhanced. Warrior caste Reptilians for instance can fly, but their wings are much too small to support the girth and the weight of the individual, yet they fly, which clearly suggests that their flight is technologically enabled.
The evidence that I've seen suggests that what uninformed people perceive as being an observable 'spiritual' aspect of phenomena often associated with alien mecha exhibitions, are in fact a form of advanced, but as yet unknown, physics, which I believe is a form of psionics rather than being actually 'spiritual' in its nature.
As Arthur C. Clark once said', "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws
That was mainly the result of an active, covert, (enacted by those who do anything for money Hollywood freaks funded by the US Intelligence agencies), 'nut-job' and giggle factor imposed in our society. Also the firing and defunding of research grants of any academic who became interested to study alien presence exhibitions, which was/is the impetus for the ad-hoc creation of the so-called 'invisible-college'.
plutronusThanks for your exhaustive opinion and other 'info'. I will file it in the appropriate location. |
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Post by plutronus on Feb 6, 2020 22:24:46 GMT
MrYelm,
Circular file perhaps?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2020 22:41:49 GMT
Hi plutronus
I loved your post, especially the above part….. I have had sudden flips to other lifetimes that have scared the heck out of me, finding myself in ancient Britain, another time in Ancient Rome…. And other flips to other lifetimes, so when they say that all time lines occur simultaneously I can relate to that.
I had an NDE when I had Anaphylactic shock many years ago.... I was semi conscious, and could feel the nurses and doctors sticking needles in me, however, I was also somewhere else at the same time, in another life.... it was strange like it was an egg...or a bubble....
One one occasion when I was sick in hospital I saw RansomWare.... it scared the heck out of me... This was years ago before RansomWare hit.....
About nearly 2 years before 9/11 I had a dream, and in the dream I was in a plane flying over NY, and then suddenly the dream pulled away as I was staring down at the city from above, and I found myself at the void, and saw lights and building sucking into the void and disappearing.... I was so afraid, I barely slept for a long time afterwards. It wasn't until 9/11 that I knew what that dream meant.
People that know me from the original UFOCB will remember when I posted a dream where I brought a piece of paper out of a dream….I even posted the picture of the piece of paper. I have no idea how that happened, it just did… I was preparing posters and pamphlets in the dream and woke up with a piece of paper stuck to my finger.
I agree with you on so many things you said especially about attempting to back engineer alien artifacts…. Excellent thoughtful post…. Thank you.
Pen
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Post by purr on Feb 8, 2020 18:32:29 GMT
Ivan T. Anderson, British WWII intelligence, claimed he had enough evidence to prove UFOs came from civilizations in the oceans being the world is three fourths water. After his death his library and notes vanished. There could be multiple things going on, but the UFO situation has been going on for a long time. How do you explain that a lot of countries have spent a lot of time and money to keep years of reports and investigations only lately to be released on line? How do explain that J Edgar Hoover was so angry that the military would not share their UFO information with the FBI. How do explain all the eye witness accounts from pilots and police seeing UFOs like Capt.Ray Bowyer and the Guernsey UFO? How do you explain Mercury Astronaut Gordon Cooper going to the UN wanting the UN to explain his UFO sightings. I could go on and on. There is a phenomenon going on! Yes of course there is a phenomenon, as a MUFON and SETI (bionic) member among other things* I support the goal of forcing government transparency, that is we say to Government' ; 'tell us the truth about UFO's!' And use an respectable amount of government funds for discovery (of aliens technology etc) I as well as the members of UFO casebook are 'believers' and participants to varying degrees. But what I was saying and to clarify, I have no knowledge of an organized, established religion that worships Aliens' UFO's etc. I used the word sect because some definitions of 'Church' or 'religions' are very strict. And I do not worship anything except for God/Jesus Christ. Could the creator of this universe be ET? That depends on the definition of both the creator and ET !
*….(for example as an amateur astronomer it's not just stars I am looking for via telescopic observation! I'm not saving my coins to build a small radio telescope to look for emitters of radiation! Anyone want to donate for a good cause? lol)
Hi Mryelm, I hope I am not taking a great discussion off track here, but your remark about having "no knowledge of an organized, established religion th[at] worships Aliens/UFOs" somehow struck a chord, seemed to connect with my own curious reading on History, including the role various religions and (very early on) human imagination played in bringing us to the present day, with all our technological wizardry, our insanely complex cultures and measurable increases in civilization and self awareness. What has been measured is a trend towards becoming a less deadly species, with both waging war and number of war deaths declining over the past 100,000 year span. Source: The Better Angels of our Nature, by Steven Pinker
And obviously religion was vital to the human experience, both in fighting/going to war for one's God(s), and sowing the seeds for a future decent, compassionate society. I think I agree with you that if we travel back in time the emergence of culture and civilization becomes indistinguishable from the spiritual imaginations, religious and magical practices and spirit ancestors at every tribe and people's core. That said, going back in time even further, say hundreds of thousands to millions of years our early human and hominid ancestors must have had a loooong phase where they just lived/survived as yet lacking a mind capable of imagining God or the Spirit World. At least according to Evolutionary Theory. This to offer a bit of context.
"And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."
Exodus 33:11 AKJV
The question your post seems to pose is: how to differentiate between the modern UFO experience and the Great Faiths of Mankind.
I wonder if the way the UFO community (like the UFO Casebook membership), the world public and our governments are engaging UFOs is by means of theoretical/personal interaction with the observations and various explanations of the UFO phenomenon (including blanket denial and disinformation) and changing our minds gradually towards a form of acceptance, or BELIEF in these strange visitors. Today we are getting to know apparent strangers, it doesn't make sense to 'worship' or even 'trust' or 'like' them, who/whatever they are. (If these are our future selves, what the hell happened to us?!) To mind comes the experience of so called Abductees and Contactees who may encounter often bizarre and terrifying non(?)-humans and then with tremendous difficulty form a kind of bond with the alien entities, like accepting the recurring encounters, or even a friendship. UFO and Alien experiences cause a change in the Experiencers, and I suspect, over time, in the world.
Could established religions constitute the outcome, after having developed over thousands of years, of a similar engagement and interaction with wonderful visitors and their ships coming down from the heavens? Maybe it is a pattern (Human-Visitor interaction leads to a Relationship, then to Belief, which over many centuries develops into the traditions and theologies of 'Established Religion') that repeats itself throughout human history. The Bible tells us a story describing a repeat Visitor named YHWH (or Jahweh) entering into an alliance with Abra(ha)m around 1800 BCE, who later on even sent his human son Jesus to be born and walk among us. Jesus initially made a dozen close friends as well as powerful enemies who felt so threatened by him they actually had him crucified. My point: these are 'encounters' that first lead to personal relationships, for instance the text suggests Jewish Lawgiver Moses was Jewish Deity YHWH's friend. It took several centuries before the memories and written records of these extraordinary to unbelievable events consolidated into the Great Faith of Christianity and its orthodox theology.
UFOlogy does not lend itself to 'worship' or a Religion because it is in an encounter phase. We are just getting (re?)acquainted...
purr
P.S. Not meaning to leave out of course that the painstakingly copied and preserved scriptures of the Jewish Nation from Before Christian Era formed the basis for another closely related Great Faith: Judaism.
Looking back from the present, with all our technological wizardry, our insanely complex cultures and measurable increases in civilization and self awareness. Image by Cassini-Huygens spacecraft (NASA/ESA/ASI mission to Saturn) looking back at Earth while orbiting Saturn 2004-2017, visible as a tiny dot at left beyond the outer bright white ring.
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Post by HAL on Feb 8, 2020 21:46:29 GMT
.."And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."...
And the only witness was ...Moses.
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Post by purr on Feb 8, 2020 23:01:50 GMT
.."And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend..."... And the only witness was ...Moses. Different from living witnesses giving testimony, we study History by among other things the writings left from centuries past. In this case the Torah, the Jewish holy scriptures were recorded and passed on, so it is believed by religious Jews, from Moses' and King David's days with remarkable accuracy, judging by comparing versions with the Dead Sea scrolls discovered 1st half of the 20th century. Apparently the Jews over the odd past 3000 yrs. believed their sacred text important enough to preserve it to the present day. HAL, that tells me something, maybe like it contains vital memories of real events that helped shape that unique People and Nation's identity. NOT PROOF, but evidence needing corroboration from Archeology etc. of the Jewish people's past beliefs and experience. Even if one does not believe as they believe, these records may serve to elucidate how the Jewish worldview and collective psyche evolved. Anyhow, as the Bible story goes, whenever Moses "spake" with his Bud, the people saw the phenomenon whom they believed to be YHWH, the God of Israel appear near the Tabernacle (tent of sacrifice) in the form of a pillar of fire, or locally contained fire tornado, and thus knew the conversation took place. I hope you are not missing the point I'm attempting to make: Great Faiths are remembered to have begun with encounters with non-human visitors, making the Encounter the starting point for centuries of Theology.
purr
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