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Post by HAL on Jun 20, 2018 19:56:30 GMT
.. .while our own factories and military fall further and further behind... That's because the cost of labour in the USA is considerably more than it is in the East. A simple fact that every country in the West has had to come to terms with. It's a cyclic thing. I agree that there are far too many 'redundant' people on the planet. I am interested to hear your solution. Most people seem to think mine is far too draconian. Almost fascist in fact. As for the defense thing. Does your country really have to spend more than seven times the money of the next comparable country ? Who are you planning to go to war with ? HAL.
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Post by HAL on Jun 20, 2018 20:02:44 GMT
Back to robot's rights.
let's flip the coin.
If an autonomous robot soldier mistakes a wedding party for a gathering of isis followers and guns them all down, who is responsible ?
HAL.
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Post by lonegunman on Jun 21, 2018 15:37:00 GMT
.. .while our own factories and military fall further and further behind... As for the defense thing. Does your country really have to spend more than seven times the money of the next comparable country ? Who are you planning to go to war with ? HAL. HAL, It will probably be fighting for you in the UK again the way your government is ignoring all the militant Muzzies that invade your country daily. If you think for one minute they are there to help you folks out, your country has become much more ignorant than I ever could have imagined ! Lone
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Post by HAL on Jun 21, 2018 20:38:43 GMT
Give it a rest Lone.
It's getting old.
HAL
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Post by HAL on Jun 21, 2018 21:16:26 GMT
Lone,
here are a few facts for you that may not sit so comfortably.
The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on the 7 December 1941.
America joined in with the Allies to fight WWII on the 8 December 1941.
The day after you were attacked.
... the first two years of the war, America remained politically neutral, but president Franklin was working hard to prepare the Americans for what he regarded to be an inevitable conflict. He felt that the war was threatening U.S. security and tried to find ways to help the European Allies without being formally involved in the war...
If you had joined in to help us right at the start maybe not so many hundreds of thousands would have been killed.
But you were neutral.
Your leadership suddenly realised that if Hitler did win the war then he would have control over all of Europe, Russia, Africa and anywhere else he was fighting at the time.
And that America (and Canada) would be high on his shopping list.
Also that you would not be able to call on anyone for help as they would have already fallen.
The highlighted text above shows that even then your leaders were singing the 'Threatening US security' song.
So don't keep giving us this 'we got you out of the shit' stuff. Yes, you did, but you really didn't have a choice, did you ?
HAL.
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Post by lonegunman on Jun 22, 2018 14:01:21 GMT
HAL, It wasn't our war...TWICE. !! You idiots still haven't learned the principal of self preservation. You can't stand up for yourselves and never have. You bungled both World Wars with ignorance and stupidity and now you say we just stood around and waited till it effected us. DAMN STRAIGHT! Your little insignificant countries most smaller than the size of our smallest states, can't get your shit together to even work as a unit now. I hope you have memorized the Quran because it sure as hell looks like your going to be their bitch real soon. Don't bother calling us when that happens because most of us are not interested. For a change, we'll fort up here and let you guys dangle.
Lone
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Post by HAL on Jun 22, 2018 20:52:35 GMT
Lone,
HAL, It wasn't our war.
It wasn't ours either.
Unless it slipped your notice we were on the receiving end of Germany's aggression in both cases.
We were drawn into them because the countries involved were our allies.
And we didn't wait two years to get involved like you did.
,, Don't bother calling us when that happens because most of us are not interested...
There will be no next time. if there is it will be using ICBMs and a lot of your country will disappear, like many others, in a few bright flashes; game over.
Anyway, of course you are not interested in other people's problems. You voted for Trump.
And you appear to have inherited his thin skin.
Good luck, mate. You're going to need it in the future.
HAL.
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Post by moksha on Jun 22, 2018 21:44:55 GMT
moksha, Clicking on the above caused my computer to freeze. I could only get out of this by crashing out. I.e. turning off the power. Something not recommended. HAL WELL
HAL, don't you know as tava myliu just like al
U others 5<>4
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Post by HAL on Jun 22, 2018 21:50:45 GMT
moksha,
All that means to me is that some (unspecified) variable or constant is less than 5 and greater than 4.
Thus it's value lay between 4 and 5.
HAL
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Post by moksha on Jun 22, 2018 21:57:22 GMT
since it was not ME who moved away from. SOPHIA i will raise my 2 bits cos ican
MW
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Post by HAL on Jun 23, 2018 22:38:05 GMT
Moksha, Sorry for the delay, my Lithuanian is a bit rusty. Anyway, thanks. Jūs turite gražią dieną. HAL
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Post by moksha on Jun 24, 2018 2:37:28 GMT
Moksha, Sorry for the delay, my Lithuanian is a bit rusty. Anyway, thanks. Jūs turite gražią dieną. HAL The tongue of my grand parents, is
NOT what I know, = worse than rusty, I can only wish to, I was never taught, nor were the others.
Thank You 4 ur words,
Hope UR machine will play this
MEGAUTIS
Some connection to what has yet to be told. Marduk, Topaz
One might wonder what does this have to do with AI
and the rights of the others.
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Post by purr on Jun 24, 2018 9:22:01 GMT
HAL, Lonegunman, the axiom of true friendship attributed to Jesus Christ is (paraphrasing) 'there is no greater love than when a man lays down his life to save that of a friend'.
I get it that the UK right now is strong enough not to need any 'saving' (Bless'ya ), and also suspect Lone and one or two others prefer to save ammunition to at least singe some hair off hilleryvoting Fake Americans. Love to watch US politics and especially elections from minimally an ocean away!
Yet I disagree with you two honorable gentlemen (although you may genuinely feel you can and will leave the other nation in the excrement of WWIII): here's a ghost story you see, happened to our fam more than twenty years ago as we moved to the east in the Netherlands, a more rural, forested and laid back region of my country. The house we moved into came relatively cheap, looked real nice, plenty of room, located in a friendly rural town, ideal for making it our new home. But at night fam members saw shadows moving up the wall. There was this black dude appearing in my dreams. Most of all, there was a FEEL emanating 'stay out'(!), a persistent impression that the house was already lived in/inhabited!
This feeling stayed with us for years yet remained inexplicable until I went looking for the history of our location and discovered our house had been built on a WWII battleground, marked even with a plaque commerating the many aliied soldiers who had lost their lives there long ago. We literally had been living on a graveyard. So we decided to make way, we moved out (dividing over several less troubled homes!).
Guys, I am deeply convinced that America and its friends (including UK and the Netherlands) are not bound by how we feel about each other, but by the death of so many young soldiers, some crossing an ocean to give their lives, so their democratic friends might have a new shot at national life (rather than saluting Hitler).
From whatever motivations made, the consequences of America's decision to commit its forces to help us out were as absolute and irreversible to the soldiers who sacrificed their life (they remain here somehow, a Dutch battlefield their forever home), as to the recipients of this help. Soldiers who died for our common freedom bind us together in friendship forever. HAL, the US is spending cosmic funds on weapons to confront and kill any future common enemy. At that time old allies will once again stand together.
purr
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Post by purr on Jun 24, 2018 9:45:09 GMT
Oops, did I go off topic ? Well, looping back, perhaps one of the reasons why we should imo not consider extending equal rights to (future, self aware) robots, is that they are potentially immortal machines. The fear, anguish and deep loss associated with having to deal with human mortality is at the core of what it means to be human, and to be worthy of human rights. purr
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Post by skizicks on Jun 25, 2018 14:05:47 GMT
Hal, I am interested in discussing what to do with those in society who produce no goods or services but do consume such from society. I am trying to find some way to envision a future that is something less than a vast global slum ruled over by a tiny group of elites. As technology advances robots, for lack of a better term, are replacing more and more people in the workforce and not just at the assembly line type jobs. People whose jobs were quite common and which employed millions were displace early on. Everyone from telephone operators and typists, to production welders and engineers have been replaced in whole or in part by computers and robots. As technology rose and people were displaced the western world strove toward population control. In much of the west today there is negative population growth among parts of the native populations. Those who are displaced are given support and programs to allow them to retrain and find other employment. However there seems to be a part of the population that sees these support programs as a career in them selves. In the US we have families that for generation upon generation have lived on these safety net programs. This group consumes goods and services paid for by the taxes of the rest and never contribute to the society that supports them. These programs, at least in the US, are so generous that people risk death to get here and once here get on these programs with which they support not only themselves but they send money home to support their extended families. And while many come with the hope of getting jobs they come with little to no skills that are needed in an advanced western society. Those who do have such needed skills don't need to swim the Rio Grande or trek out of Canada but can simply apply for a visa. The question is what do we do with an ever growing population of unskilled people when technology is already reducing the number of jobs available, and steadily increasing the skills levels of those jobs that remain? The US for example has huge areas of farm land that could be used to build massive ghettos for immigrants but then where would the food come from and how would the country pay for the other needs of the people? At some point any society will reach a tipping point where the society will break down. You reach a point where supporting the lifestyle of the non-productive is dragging the lifestyle of the productive down to where they start to question the point of working at all. Why work at all if those who stay home in the A/C and watch TV live just as good or better than you do? The west dealt with the population bomb of the 1960's but the rest of the world did not. And now they are on the move, all bent on reaching some promised land of milk and honey. So what do we do? Send them home and build a wall? Let them keep coming until we have standing room only? And then what about the native born who are healthy but unmotivated? They weren't interested in school and still think they can make a living hustling on the streets. Parts of Chicago and other cities are almost as bad as Mogadishu now. What can we do? This will do for now, I have other issues for later.
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