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Post by mryelm on May 7, 2020 21:47:45 GMT
I gave a thumbs up to your reply because I too have always suspected was either a weaponized virus or was becoming weaponized and got out of the lab. The question I have is was it an intentional release or was it accidental? ~ As a nearly life long gambling man I like to give odds on anything. So my guess or odds* on the COVID-19 virus being a weaponized virus is 60% yes.
* (odds in this case are 'ballpark' percentages, i.e. not precise or actual betting odds, just a little better than a guess.)
Lastly I also have a mistrust of WHO and for that matter the UN because they seem to despise the USA. I feel the UN is less trustworthy than WHO, but that is material for another thread!.
Stay safe everyone!
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Hello mryelm.... nice to meet you.  There are trillions of dollars at stake for the elites and China.... I too believe that its entirely possible that this virus did not escape the lab, it was deliberately spread. When I read this this morning, I felt more certain it was deliberately released. Fauci conflicts with Trump, doesn't believe virus released from Chinese lab
justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/dr-fauci-says-he-doesnt-believe-virus-was-released-chinese-lab-us Of course Fauci conflicts with Trump because he gave Wuhan labs $3.7 million to work on Bat viruses after they were banned in the US….. Fauci as we now know is in league with Hillary Clinton and Tedros (WHO) that is in league with China. Hi Luvey nice to meet you as well! Instead of this c-virus thing getting stranger and stranger its reason for being and the details thereof seems to becoming clearer and clearer! Cya'all'bye!
And as always, everyone be safe!~
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Post by swamprat on May 8, 2020 16:33:48 GMT
A 26 minute interview:
www.bitchute.com/video/7PmIaChOKAg/
And now, here is a condemnation of the Judy Mikovits interview posted on Facebook. You choose who to believe:
Kat Montgomery, Surgical Pathology Fellow at Vanderbilt University Medical Center
May 6 at 5:17 PM •
**EDITED TO ADD: I wrote this post to help my friends sort through misinformation and did not expect it to go viral. Several commenters have asked me to cite sources, and I agree that this is important to do. I still have a day job, but I have edited to include primary sources for all points when possible **
*The following statements represent my personal informed views and not those of any institution*
First, background: I’m a physician (specifically a board-certified pathologist, which includes microbiology and laboratory medicine) with a master’s degree in epidemiology.
In the last day or two, several friends have shared or posted about a video “documentary” called “Plandemic”. The film depicts now-discredited former researcher Judy Mikovits who shares a plausible-sounding narrative about the current pandemic. The problem here is that nearly all of her scientific statements are demonstrably false. If you have more to add to this list, or credible data to the contrary, please start a discussion. I suspect there are many more false claims in this video, but these are just the ones that stuck out to me as a physician with epidemiology training.
- She states “There is no vaccine for any RNA virus that works." Incorrect: Polio, hepatitis A, measles, to name a few. (Source: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4763971/)
- Her retracted paper was actually not about vaccines at all, even though she insinuates that it was. (Here is the article: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19815723)
- She states that Ebola could not infect humans until it was engineered to do so in her laboratory. This is false. (Here is an article describing an outbreak of Ebola in 1976, long before Dr. Mikovits was conducting research: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27357339)
- Likewise, many other zoonotic viruses have been shown to gain mutations that allow them to infect humans. This would not be some kind of new, crazy idea. We actually predicted it years ago: we just didn’t know exactly which virus or when it would occur. (Here is an article from 2015 discussing the likely emergence of future coronavirus pandemics: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687304/ )
- She states that the US was working with Wuhan to study coronaviruses years ago, like it’s a “gotcha” moment: yes, of course we were doing this – Wuhan is a coronavirus hotspot and it makes sense to study this family of viruses where it naturally occurs. (Same article as above: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4687304/ )
- She states that COPD lungs are identical to COVID-19 lungs. As a pathologist, this is ludicrous – any practicing physician would be able to tell COPD from COVID-19, both clinically and histologically. (One article discussing an overview of tools for diagnosing COVID19 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7144809/, one about CT specifically www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191895/, and one about histology specifically www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7184436/ )
- The statement taken out of context from the CDC death certificate recommendation reads in full “In cases where a definitive diagnosis of COVID-19 cannot be made, but is suspected or likely (the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed”. In these instances, certifiers should use their best judgment in determining if a COVID-19 diagnosis was likely. Testing for COVID-19 should be conducted whenever possible.”. My physician colleagues are not being pressured to put COVID-19 on death certificates when it should not be there. (Here is the actual document with instructions for
filling out death certificates from the CDC: www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf )
- The idea that physicians are incorrectly diagnosing COVID-19 due to financial incentive is also ridiculous. Medicare sometimes bundles payments for some conditions (i.e. if you have a heart attack, medicare may pay XX for your treatment) – it’s possible the hospital could get paid $13,000 for your COVID-19 admission, but do you know what that’s based on? The fact that the average cost of a hospital admission for a respiratory condition is $13,297. (I can’t post a scientific study here, since this isn’t a scientific fact, but this article describes the procedure in detail: www.usatoday.com/…/fact-check-medicare-…/3000638001/ )
- She states that hydroxychloroquine has been “extensively studied in this family of viruses” – in fact, it has not been studied well in coronaviruses. It HAS been studied in malaria, which is not a virus. (Here is the one study that was performed that people like to cite, and it is an in vitro study (not in humans), of SARS (not COVID-19), and chloroquine (not hydroxychloroquine): www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ ). And yes, it is considered an essential medicine for the treatment of malaria. Not for coronaviruses.
- Furthermore, the data on hydroxychloroquine are much weaker than they originally appeared: the small study that was highly publicized was not a randomized controlled trial, and the only patients who died were those who received hydroxychloroquine (and these were EXCLUDED FROM ANALYSIS!). This is terrible science. Even so, we want to investigate all possible treatments, so controlled trials are being conducted on hydroxychloroquine right now. (A summary of the current evidence we have from published and ongoing trials: www.cebm.net/…/hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-wha…/)
- She insinuates that there is a hydroxychloroquine shortage as a result of reduced production. In fact, the shortage has resulted from an increase in demand: people who take this medication regularly are writing extended prescriptions and because physicians are using it for COVID19 patients because they have nothing else to try. (https://jamanetwork.com/c…/health-forum/fullarticle/2764607…).
- “All flu vaccines contain coronaviruses”. Nope, absolutely false. (In fact, it’s so false based on the way vaccines are made that there are no studies specifically stating this claim. It would be like trying to conduct a study to examine whether humans can live with zero oxygen. Nope, we can’t. No study needed.)
- The ideas that sheltering in place somehow harms your immune system or that you may reactivate a virus in yourself by wearing a mask have been thoroughly debunked in other posts and I won’t get into the details here. Both national societies of emergency medicine have condemned the statements of these doctors, one of whom is not board-certified. (Please refer to Dr. Kasten’s post and others about these)
- Lastly, private companies removing false information from their platforms does not represent repression or promotion of propaganda. It’s helping to promote the spread of sound scientific information. If you think lies should be permitted to circulate freely alongside the truth with the intention of reaching people who won’t be able to tell the difference, you are part of the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 17:20:26 GMT
Here's How Much New York City Is Skewing America's Coronavirus NumbersNew York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s delayed response to the coronavirus pandemic may turn out to be the most consequential failure in the country. Not only does the New York City area skew America’s overall numbers when it comes to coronavirus cases and deaths, but recent genetic studies suggest that New York also served as a hub for the spread of the virus across the United States. New research reported in The New York Times indicates that a wave of infections swept from New York City through much of the United States before the city instituted social distancing requirements to stem the tide. Coronavirus spread from New York to states as far afield as Louisiana, Ohio, Idaho, Wisconsin, Texas, Arizona, and even the West Coast, according to geneticists who tracked signature mutations of the virus, travel histories of infected people, and models of the outbreak from infectious disease experts. “We now have enough data to feel pretty confident that New York was the primary gateway for the rest of the country,” Nathan Grubaugh, an epidemiologist at the Yale School of Public Health, told The New York Times. While travel from other cities like Seattle also sparked infections across the country, New York City was the primary launching pad of the coronavirus in the U.S. Read more @ pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2020/05/07/heres-how-much-new-york-city-is-skewing-americas-coronavirus-numbers-n389007
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Post by nyx on May 8, 2020 21:08:10 GMT
Trump confirms that Pence’s press Secretary has coronavirus and is married to Trump’s senior adviser.
If Trump and Pence go down, the line of succession goes to the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi.
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Post by nyx on May 8, 2020 21:25:59 GMT
Trump after launching Operation Fast Speed a couple of days ago to get the coronavirus vaccine into production, today told the news media who needs the vaccine.
Trump informed the news that COVID-19 will just disappear without a vaccine.
OK, what is going on here?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 21:27:53 GMT
Trump confirms that Pence’s press Secretary has coronavirus and is married to Trump’s senior adviser. If Trump and Pence go down, the line of succession goes to the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. I bet you wish Trump would die, and Pelosi your president. Yes, no, what say you. |
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Post by nyx on May 8, 2020 21:30:34 GMT
mrgort,
Trump just said today no need for a vaccine, coronavirus will just disappear.
I am upset with the inconsistency.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 21:56:49 GMT
mrgort, Trump just said today no need for a vaccine, coronavirus will just disappear. I am upset with the inconsistency. What about shitff be more concerned of the Democrat inconsistency and hypocrisy, Shiffy said he had clear evidence, now we know the pencil neck was lying, so time to admit it, dems are crapo, quit bashing Trump, will ya. A year from now when it disappears are you going to say Trump was right. I doubt it. President Trump, in a Friday morning interview on "Fox & Friends," said there would be "more to come" after the release of a trove of House Intelligence Committee transcripts -- which showed Obama-era officials saying they had no "empirical evidence" of the Trump campaign conspiring with Russia to gain an edge in the 2016 election. The Trump comments come after sources told Fox News on Thursday night that a further document release could take place in the coming days. Sources said the tranche of documents would be "a bombshell," hinting that the documents would show high-level Obama administration involvement in the origin of the Russia investigation. HOUSE INTEL TRANSCRIPTS SHOW TOP OBAMA OFFICIALS HAD NO 'EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE' OF TRUMP-RUSSIA COLLUSION While there were many charges that stemmed from the probe by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into Russian election meddling and suspected involvement by Trump associates, none of those involved conspiracy or collusion between Trump campaign members and Russia. Trump allies seized on the newly released transcripts to hammer their claims that the probe was unfounded. Donald J. Trump ✔ @realdonaldtrump Yesterday was a BIG day for Justice in the USA. Congratulations to General Flynn, and many others. I do believe there is MUCH more to come! Dirty Cops and Crooked Politicians do not go well together! 175K 7:18 AM - May 8, 2020 Twitter Ads info and privacy 67.5K people are talking about this "There’s more to come from what I understand and they’re gonna be far greater than what you’ve seen so far," Trump said Friday, before going on to hint that documents could relate to former President Barack Obama. Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell visited the Department of Justice (DOJ) on Thursday, and while details of that visit are not clear, two sources familiar with the trip said Grenell wants additional documents related to Russia to be released in the coming days. Grenell would not technically be the person eventually releasing the documents, but they could be released by another entity within the Trump administration. Fox News first reported Wednesday night that the House Intelligence Committee transcripts would show officials answering questions on the issue of evidence of a Trump campaign conspiracy with Russia. TRUMP CALLS FOR 'DIRTY COPS' TO PAY 'BIG PRICE' FOR RUSSIA PROBE AFTER RELEASE OF TRANSCRIPTS, IN 'FOX & FRIENDS' INTERVIEW “I never saw any direct empirical evidence that the Trump campaign or someone in it was plotting/conspiring with the Russians to meddle with the election,” former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper testified in 2017. “That’s not to say that there weren’t concerns about the evidence we were seeing, anecdotal evidence. ... But I do not recall any instance where I had direct evidence.” "I am not in possession of anything ... that came from out of the intelligence community," former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power said when asked if she had seen evidence of a conspiracy. Former Obama National Security Adviser Susan Rice also said "I don't recall intelligence that I would consider evidence to that effect that I saw ... conspiracy prior to my departure." Other former Obama officials gave similar answers. Adam Schiff ✔ @repadamschiff Trump’s campaign invited Russian help, made full use of it, then covered it up. Then, Trump sought more illicit help from Ukraine, leading to his impeachment and a bipartisan vote to convict. Read just released transcripts from our Russia investigation:https://intelligence.house.gov/russiainvestigation/ … 37.1K 5:33 PM - May 7, 2020 Twitter Ads info and privacy 25.8K people are talking about this OBAMA KNEW DETAILS OF WIRETAPPED FLYNN PHONE CALLS, SURPRISING TOP DOJ OFFICIAL IN MEETING WITH BIDEN, DECLASSIFIED DOCS SHOW House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said in a lengthy statement on Thursday, however, that the documents did, in fact, show Trump attempted to work with Russia to gain the presidency "From 2017 to 2018, the House Intelligence Committee conducted an investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 election," Schiff said. "Despite the many barriers put in our way by the then-Republican Majority, and attempts by some key witnesses to lie to us and obstruct our investigation, the transcripts that we are releasing today show precisely what Special Counsel Robert Mueller also revealed: That the Trump campaign, and Donald Trump himself, invited illicit Russian help, made full use of that help, and then lied and obstructed the investigations in order to cover up this misconduct." Schiff cited a handful of examples to back that claim, including a meeting that was set up by Donald Trump Jr. after an offer of Russian dirt on Hillary Clinton in July 2016, the conviction of former Trump adviser Roger Stone for lying about advanced knowledge of a Wikileaks release of Clinton campaign emails and the guilty plea of former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn for lying about conversations he had with Russian officials asking them not to respond to sanctions imposed by the Obama administration. CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP Flynn later sought to withdraw his guilty plea, before the case against him was dropped by the DOJ on Thursday. Republicans told Fox News the transcripts still show the collusion claims could not be supported. “The transcripts show a total lack of evidence, despite Schiff personally going out saying he had more than circumstantial evidence that there was collusion,” one source involved in House Russia investigation told Fox News. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2020 22:32:57 GMT
Cornovirus a Democrat ploy composed by shit, pelosi, clapper, commy, susan rice,biden hillary, and so many others (name them Hal see how many you get right). To take down Trump. This will blow over, but what will Hal an nyx and drwo and bone and bussfeed come up with next?
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Post by nyx on May 8, 2020 22:40:25 GMT
mrgort,
I don’t care if you are Republican, Democrat, or third party.
I have seen people I know losing their jobs and fallen on hard times and their pain.
I just want the coronavirus to go away as fast as possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 0:26:39 GMT
mrgort, I don’t care if you are Republican, Democrat, or third party. I have seen people I know losing their jobs and fallen on hard times and their pain. I just want the coronavirus to go away as fast as possible. Give it another month or two, but you should know that the Democrats want this to promote single hillary health obama care, but maybe you were ignorant of this. |
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Post by swamprat on May 9, 2020 0:46:18 GMT
Careful people. It ain't over 'till it's over.Here's how the COVID-19 pandemic could play out over the next two years
By Rachael Rettner - Senior Writer 3 hours ago
A new report outlines three potential scenarios for how the COVID-19 pandemic could unfold.
Although no one yet knows what the future holds for COVID-19, most experts seem to agree that it isn't going away anytime soon. Indeed, a new report estimates that the pandemic will likely last about two years.
The report, from researchers at the University of Minnesota, draws on information from eight previous flu pandemics going back to the 1700s, and incorporates data from the current COVID-19 pandemic.
The authors note that the new coronavirus, called SARS-CoV-2, is not a type of influenza, but it shares some similarities with pandemic flu viruses — both are respiratory viruses to which the population has little to no previous immunity, and both can spread when people don't have symptoms. Still, the virus causing COVID-19 appears to spread more easily than the flu, and asymptomatic transmission may account for a greater proportion of COVID-19's spread, compared with the flu.
Given how easily SARS-CoV-2 spreads, about 60% to 70% of the population may need to be immune in order to achieve "herd immunity" and bring a stop to the pandemic, the authors said. This will take time, since a relatively small fraction of the U.S. population seems to have been infected so far (although infection rates vary by location), according to studies looking at antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in blood samples.
The report then outlines three potential scenarios for how the COVID-19 pandemic could play out.
• Scenario 1: In this scenario, the current wave of COVID-19 cases is followed by a series of smaller waves, or "peaks and valleys," that occur consistently over a one- to two-year period, but gradually diminish sometime in 2021.
• Scenario 2: Another possibility is that the initial wave of COVID-19 in the spring of 2020 is followed by a larger wave of cases in the fall or winter, as happened with the flu pandemic of 1918. Subsequently, one or more smaller waves could occur in 2021.
• Scenario 3: Finally, the initial spring wave of COVID-19 could be followed by a "slow burn" of COVID-19 transmission and cases that doesn't follow a clear wave pattern, the authors said.
During new "waves" of cases, areas may need to periodically reinstate and relax mitigation measures, such as social distancing, to prevent the health care system from being overwhelmed with cases, the authors said.
Regardless of which scenario unfolds, "we must be prepared for at least another 18 to 24 months of significant COVID-19 activity, with hot spots popping up periodically in diverse geographic areas," the authors concluded.
www.livescience.com/covid-19-pandemic-future-scenarios.html
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 6:27:39 GMT
NEW: DOJ DROPS CHARGES AGAINST #MikeFlynn...#COVID19 Lawsuits Filed on California & Dr. Fauci
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Post by mryelm on May 9, 2020 14:07:01 GMT
Trump confirms that Pence’s press Secretary has coronavirus and is married to Trump’s senior adviser. If Trump and Pence go down, the line of succession goes to the Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi. That is too horrible to think about!
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Post by moksha on May 9, 2020 15:16:44 GMT
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