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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 9:32:19 GMT

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Thelmadonna's Story

Circa 1961:

My earliest recollections of something being not quite right were memories of being returned to my cot, which I stopped sleeping in at the age of around two years old, so it was prior to this.

I remember being lowered into it, on a green aura and screaming with no answer from my parents who were lying in bed aside me. At this point I was raised again and stood on the floor at the side of my parents bed.

My mother awoke startled and puzzled as to how I was there. I hadn't yet learned how to climb over the top and I had been screaming for a long time.I had a raised temperature and she checked me all over for lumps and bumps, in case I'd damaged myself. She assumed I had fallen from the top of the cot barrier to the floor.

Other than being able to remember this event, I have no memory of alien contact. (I asked my mother about this when I was 14, she remembered it very clearly, it stuck in her mind because of the cot, she said the doctor had been called in because of the temperature and I was diagnosed with having middle ear infection. A thing that has continued to plague me off and on throughout my life.......(I will mention this condition later) .

Circa 1964:

I was about five years old when I swapped bedrooms with my parents and I once again was in the room where my first strange memory had me placed.

The view from the bedroom window was expanded enormously by my father.He moved the bed linen box to the window and put it just below it, so I could stand on top of it and see outside. I could see the sky-line of the ridge of the Ochil Hills, where my father would point out lights.

He was ex-army and he used to tell me how they were jets from RAF Kinross / Machrahanish. When the ones that were going too fast for him to explain, he would say it was "The Yanks".

The area in view was near a flight path, but what we were watching on some nights were chases. There were regular manned jets but there were also golden orbs of light. It looked like they were playing a game of Tig/Chase. My father only ever saw them at great distance, 30- 40 miles. The jets would zig-zag along and up the length of The Hills and collect and disperse the globes of light higher up in the atmosphere like they were herding sheep.

The globes would reach a certain altitude on the vertical and then they would look like the white ball just hit the colored balls at full force on a pool table and each sped of at a different tangent and then just disappear. My dad would then tell me it was time to go to bed.

He would move the linen box back to the bottom of my bed because it was too heavy for me to move. It didn't take me long to work out a way to get it back over to the window. I would empty the linen piece by piece onto the bed and move the box corner by corner to the window. I would sit for what felt like hours and the globes would reappear, only not 30 to 40 mile away. Sometimes they would appear, just like they could after being blasted by a cue ball. Usually just over the roofs of a nearby housing estate.

This was a regular occurrence as in yearly( for at least ten years that I can account for.It has been recorded by others in later years).

Circa 1967:

When I was around eight years old, I observed a sphere of light (about 40 feet diameter). It was floating 10 feet above the houses in the other housing scheme that was visible from my bedroom window. It was about 250 yards away and it just sat there pulsing, like a street light will do with a certain type of rain falling past it.So slight, but the pulse was visible just the same.

After about 5 minutes it seemed to be getting smaller but more dense, more vibrant. As it continued doing this it rolled over the roof and toward the ground as it went down to the park that divided my scheme from the one where it appeared.

The ball of light was now about 20 feet in circumference, bouncing about. The more it bounced, thrummed, vibrated, the more light,energetic and animated it became. It seemed like it took about twenty minutes to gain its peak.

It's colours were a fire-red flickering, like as in a fire within a peachy coloured sphere. Every now and then I would hear a popping sound. I noticed smaller (about 2 feet) spheres that were more dim. They dropped down through the big spheres circumference, like tail-less sperm entering an egg. As they did the colour would change slightly, looking less strong in colour. Some of the flame-like streaks then changed to a fire-yellow, and with more yellow than red visible, colored sparks began resounding. They sounded like distant fire-crackers within the sphere.

It was like they were being sparked off in the color-sequence of the rainbow, there was method to this sequence. I just remember it looked like an invisible gyroscope with colored halogen light strapped to it being spun in all manners of directions. With the pattern from it as it started to increase in speed, the tracers started to look like solid lines, creating patterns that resemble a Spirograph or many of the crop circles. Each colour individually forming its own pattern and after completion, it looked like it dropped into a vortex just below the centre. As it went through the rainbow sequence,

I feared that I would not stay awake long enough to see the purple, my favorite color. It started off as the palest lilac color and ended its sequence purple neon, while the green sequence seemed very urgent. It was as if it was in a hurry to get it over with. Still the yellow-flamed streaks of color within the sphere were getting whiter as the green sequence finished. The white level got to what could be described as, as bright as a halogen bulb, as you are staring right into it.

At this point it lifted about six feet from the ground and then disappeared horizontaly along the side of the hill and up into the air, it was cloaking itself as it moved. By the time it got over the Bonnybridge Road it was high enough for me to see it again.

I followed it skyward, where I saw were three stationary black crafts waiting for it. By this time my UFO appeared like a crescent moon. The crafts were there and gone in the blink of an eye. Like turning off a Halogen light!.

I fell asleep immediately afterwards and woke up to a rollicking from my parents for moving the linen-box over to the window. I was soon moved back into the front room, because I wouldn't stay away from the window.

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 9:33:35 GMT

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Circa 1968:

During the summer of months of this year I was aware of something around me. It was a very hot summer and the air felt electric. When it was thunder and lightning outside, my father would accompany me into the back bedroom to watch the lightning crashing on the skyline of the Ochil Hills. Most often in this neck of the woods we get fork lightning but this year we had what my dad called "Wall Lightning". I had never seen it before. I loved it. I begged to be allowed to swap back rooms again and by September my father was beginning to relent, but my mother stuck to her guns, I'm really glad she did!. That Winter we had the worst wind I can ever remember.

The wind had caused cars to upturn on the road, garbage bins and garden huts were flying through the air like projectiles. The glass on the windows was beveling in like it was plasma. One of the most terrifying moments, was what sounded like an explosion and a vacuum.The doors in the house that were closed, blew open, the ones that were open blew closed, the loft door blew right up through the roof. The chimney landed in the garden.

My father who was in the bathroom at this point checked the damage. If he'd been in his bed he would have been killed. If my mother hadn't been through in the front room with me she would have been killed and if I had been given my own way and moved back into that bedroom, I would have likely died. The shattered glass from the window was embedded into the bed mattress and covered the length and breadth and depth of it.

Circa 1969

It was around Easter when I was allowed to move back into that bedroom again.

There was no linen-box.like I had used as I stood by the window to look for my UFOs. One night, as I watched out the window I saw around seven of them. They were approximately 9 inches to a foot in diameter. They appeared yellow/gold/orange in colour. Each appeared like a small sphere of energy as they came rolling over the field, then over the railway line, then the dark park, from the Bonnybridge direction.

The spheres bounced along the back of the houses. Some spheres were actually popping through the windows of the houses. I watched for the entire time. I was not scared, I was just excited and wanted to be part of it.

At the time, I couldn't tell my parents about them. I knew that if I had told them, I would then have to move back out of that bedroom to the one I had just left, so I decided not to say anything at all.

It was not long after that night that I was wakened by the sound of the cupboard door in the bedroom being opened. It had a slight but distinct squeak because of the new thick carpet that had been put in.

My fathers' prized fishing tackle was in this cupboard because it was too good to be left outside in the hut.

In the tackle amongst his gear, was a jar of sardines. I think he used them to catch salmon.

I heard the lid on this rusty jar being turned. I was lying as still as a mouse as I watched a "grey" alien being walking out the cupboard, wiping his mouth with the back of his hand. He was very surprised to see that I was watching him. I wasn't really scared, my heart was racing but no fear. I then with "a matter of fact" attitude asked it out loud what it thought it was doing stealing my fathers sardines?

Not getting the guilty reaction one would expect to get, I received a telepathic "matter of fact" reply from it. It made me aware that the sardines had been in the jar since last year and they were easy for it to digest. It's mouth was so narrow it was only wide enough to slide the sardine into it. The grey had only small teeth.

I told it, it would get me into trouble because my father would blame me. The grey then told me it would get into trouble for doing what it was doing if it was caught.

At this point my father came into my room and asked if I was okay. He thought he heard me talking in my sleep. At the instant the door started to open, the grey turned into a faint glowing sphere of light, and it took itself under the wardrobe . It then went up behind it and to the ceiling, to the very corner or the room.

I could still see it up there, with my father in the room now. I knew if I pointed it out to him, it would only have popped through the ceiling and disappeared.

My father left the room and for what felt like ten minutes passing the orb/alien remained up by the ceiling. The light finally started to come back down to ground level. The alien grey then reappeared and put its finger to its mouth, it spoke telepathically to me again and it thanked me, for not speaking of it to my father. It said that because it was the only one stealing, then it was accountable for the stolen sardine. It would have had to show itself to my father for the deed, rather than me take the blame.

I told it, it was okay but it said it would have to leave. It said that it had something to do and its energy sphere wouldn't be active long enough to get it back to its ship. The grey then said that they were only allotted a charge long enough for them to complete their tasks, with a short excess to ensure return.

The grey asked if it could call again and I said yes. It told me it would be able to stay longer if I left a window open for it, so it wouldn't have to expend any energy passing through the glass.

It also asked if could I leave the cupboard door slightly ajar and if I would sit the sardine jar within easy access for it. It wanted the jar left at the top of the fishing bag rather than the bottom of it, because of the fishing hooks and flies.

I told it I still wasn't to keen to agree to this because I knew I would get the blame for the missing sardines.

It said it had to go now and that if I wanted to see it again, I was to just leave the window open.

I did as it had asked and I left the window open every night.

It was four nights later that the grey came back. This time I was aware that there was more of them. There were three of them in the room, all wanting a whole sardine.

I wasn't linked telepathically to all three, only the one which was pretty friendly with me.

That grey made the other two greys aware that there was a price to be paid for the sardines.With their spare energy they were to take me on a flying trip over the fields and over the local area.This is what I had asked for and wanted.

I remember the incident clearly. It was like a triangle of glowing/light orbs, holding me up like I was on an invisible flying carpet. I don't think the entire ride lasted more than ten minutes before I was returned to my room again..

After that, things were going great as far as I was concerned. I knew that if I gave them something that they liked, they in return would be kind to me.

I was still concerned about the missing sardines but it assured me not to be worried about it.

It was about a week later and fishing season was imminent. My father came into the room and went into the cupboard to retrieve his fishing gear that had been in storage for many months. I was right along at his side and all wide-eyed as I watched him look into his open bag. He was taking inventory of all that he had and contemplating over what he would have to restock.

Suddenly the the bag disintegrated round the bottom of the sardine jar. The sardines fell straight through and the jar smashed on the wooden floor of the cupboard. Floats, reels, flies, hooks, etc. all landing on top of the oily mess.

For all the time that I had worried about getting into trouble over the missing sardines, for all the excuses I had considered (I was even ready to say I had eaten them myself), it was all over in a second.

My father now had more to worry about than noticing his sardines were short. The oil they were in seeped all through the floorboards and came through the downstairs cupboard ceiling and the walls. My mother - being an extremely house proud person, went ballistic. It was not just over oil but it was stinking fish-oil.

She demanded the fishing gear be moved out to the hut.

That night I could hear the metal garbage-bin lid being moved.

Cats often tried this but couldn't, the buckets were too heavy for a cat to tip on end. A large dog may be able to gain access to the contents by this method but there was no other things that I knew about "creature-wise" that could lift the lid, hold it up and rummage inside while then placing the lid back down.

I took a walk down to the rubbish bin first thing the next morning. There were no sardines left at all in the bin, only broken glass.

I continued to have occasional telepathic contact with that grey that was friendly with me.. The contact not only happened during the night, but it sometimes occurred during the day.

During one of the occasions that the grey made contact with me, it asked me to get my mom to buy sardines from the shop.

I then had to convince my mom that I really liked sardines. I was asked how I knew I liked them? She had never bought them before and she was still ready to blame me for my fathers jar of sardines that made a mess in the cupboard. I knew she thought that I must have been tampering with it.

I told her I had tasted sardines at my grandmother's house. Not really believing me, she bought a tin at the market and opened them up for tea or supper, (the only problem was.. I hated eating them). I managed to force two sardines down before I wanted to throw up.

My mom put the rest of the sardines on a plate and then in the pantry. She mentioned that my father would probably eat them when he came home or for breakfast the following day, and I was told to never to ask for them again.

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 9:34:52 GMT

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That night I was aware of someone in the cupboard. It was the grey again. It came up to my window and spoke telepathically, saying that these sardines weren't the right ones.

I considered the difference, the ones in the tin were prepared for human consumption with added salt/brine. The fishing bait ones were in something oily and also had its whole head intact.

It was a week later during the night and I saw the spheres return again.

They were hovering over the Roman Fort field. As they came towards the houses. As I watched the orbs, I noticed a silhouette of someone standing on the hillside. They stood there on the far edge of the park, not moving. As the spheres passed directly over him, I could now make out his features. It looked as if the whole scene were a photograph in full graphic colour. It was all so detailed and vibrant.

I was to see that face of the figure that stood there.. again.

That night, I was aware of being abducted.

The grey at the bottom of my bed was asking if I was really sure I was ready to go. It was then at this point that I noticed a tall dark form standing to the left of the grey. It was about 6 1/2 ft tall.

For the very first time, I was scared of what I was facing. This being's eyes frightened me. The eyes did have pupils and it seemed intelligent.It never communicated to me or the greys while in the bedroom. Outside in the darkness of night, this being looked like the grim reaper, as so many have portrayed.

This being was now getting impatient at my indecision. It began scolding the grey for bringing it to me.

I quickly decided to say yes to it, so as to not get my friend in trouble.

I was transported horizontaly right through the big pane of glass. I heard it pop behind me and I was forced into an upright position. Then a column of purple-neon light began to surround me.

I asked my friend the purpose of this, he replied that it would kill off germs and correct my temperature to very low.

By the time I arrived at the doorway, I felt like I was freezing.

The greys removed my pyjamas and replaced them with a lilac lurex tunic. It warmed me up immediately, and it also made me feel like every cell in my body had a smile on its face.

During a naked examination, the lilac tunic had to be put back on me because I was very cold and every cell felt as if it were freezing again.

They kept asking me my name and I would tell them. I began to think that they were testing my level of consciousness by asking the question over.

They removed my tunic and once more I was relatively unaware or "numb" to it all.

They then began to do more testing on me and I started to freeze again..

The greys put the tunic back on me. It was just like a zap. It was instant to occur. My friend (the grey) was now back at the table again.

The tall one that had been there had left, but there were two more tall ones doing tests of my sample. It was on some sort of computer type machine that they did this. My friend (the grey) said he wouldn't be seeing me again and they were done with me now.

I cried at this and asked it why, when it had asked me to come up to his home to play games with him, to share his food with him. I had done with him what was asked, yet I had not been allowed to do any of what was promised.

The grey went away and asked the tall being if this would be allowed. It was granted by the tall being and I was taken to what could be described as a space no bigger than a closet.

I was told to be very quite and to listen for a bell, then there would be food brought. The grey would accept it and then give it to me.

He explained it would look like a small tablet of that would appear made of plastic. I asked what was this? He said it was his food. He explained that all the nutrients that his body needed were contained within.This was why he had no need for much of a stomach, this was also the reason for a small bowel system.

I joked with him and asked "Then why have you such a fat belly"? He replied by telling me that thatwas where his lungs were.

It then told me I could imagine any food that I wanted and this sellotape thin tablet, would be whatever I wanted it to be. I was to just to put it into my mouth and hold it flat between my tongue and the roof of my mouth. I was also to keep the thought of the food and concentrate and enjoy the food until the tablet dissolved.

I tried to keep the thought of food but lost it almost immediately. The tablet turned into what felt like sand, in my mouth as it slowly dissolved.

The grey took me back to the examination area and I got back up on the table. The big alien approached and told me that I would be leaving soon. I asked for a drink to wash down the food I was given, and I was given water. Not much water though. It was only about 2 ml worth. After that, the two lab-technicians approached with an apprehensive gait. The big alien seemed to be having a heated discussion with them.There were lots of questions fired at me from the big guy,

What was my fathers name?

What was my mothers name?

What was my name?

They told me that I couldn't be who I thought I was and did I have another name. I told them I was sure about my name. I explained that I was christened in a church and on visiting weekly, people would speak my name.

This is when I picked up on the conversation between them. I could overhear one saying that I must be one of the adopted.

They now wanted to return me immediately. My friend said to me to remember my name on the journey home. When they try to return you home, they must have a 100% submissive person, for them to be able to wipe the mind's memory of the encounter..

I kept singing my name over and over again and they couldn't break through, though they tried. They told me my name was THELMADONNA. They then told me to stop being so willful. I continued to sing my name aloud. They eventually told me I would pay for being so willful.

They knew my favorite chocolate bar at that time was Cadbury's Milk Flake and told me that it would be harmful to me if I ate this bar before morning.

I thought I was being so clever, thinking to myself there is no way there could be one of those chocolate bars in the house anyway. The ice-cream van had passed long since and there was no chocolate bought.

To my surprise after I was returned home, my favorite uncle unexpectedly came to our home at 2.30AM. He had just arrived from his two hundred plus miles journey.

He came into my room and I awoke, as he came over to the bed. I was taken back a little as he handed me a Cadburys Flake bar. I immediately realized that this was the bar that the aliens told me not to eat.

My Uncle tried to encourage me to open it then and have a bite, but I was stubborn to my word and I said I would wait until morning.

He then asked what I'd been up to, as my pyjama top was on back backwards. He sorted it straight and I put the chocolate under my pillow. I soon went back to sleep.

The next time I woke it was broad daylight outside. The windows shone the light of day.. so I made straight for the chocolate and ate about half of it. Suddenly the light went out and it was still dark outside.

I was shocked. The light that shone in was not a light..but a lit sky. The greys had tricked me. It wasn't morning, it was dark as night still.

One week later I had a massive-middle ear (puss-filled boil) infection, which when flushed- produced a foreign body. I got a row from my parents for poking things in my ear though I hadn't.

The flush or the poison also poured down the back of my throat and hit my liver like an acid.

It was burning so much I was sick. Three weeks later I had full-blown Type 1 Diabetes.

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 9:35:43 GMT

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Circa 1970:

During the summer month of June, there appeared a UFO over the playground of Easter Carmuirs Primary School. There were many children on the playground practicing for sports day.

The UFO looked like a doughnut-shaped cloud about 100ft of the ground. Trailing down from it looked like a rope that was flailing around, until it connected with the ground then it took on the appearance of a straight laser light and solid.

The end that hung hit the ground for about 30 second and quickly the grass started burning.

The UFO changed in a flash to what looked like an elongated diamond in shape and appearance. In a blink of an eye, the craft split through a clear-blue sky with shocking speed. Instant speed.

It was now two weeks later and it was summer vacation for me for school holidays.

At around 8.30 PM, I was playing on my bike over by the railway line. I was riding on the dirt track that was there. I was basically doing what cross-country BMX bikers do. It was a pre-BMX bike that I was on. It was a ladies Raleigh junior without the proper suspension and not meant for the way I was treating it..

It was very very foggy out as I hit a big bump on the track. It spun the handlebars so that the handle was facing me like a spear. The bike hit the ground with an almighty thump and I hit the handlebar of the bike. It felt like it had rabbit-punched me in the liver.

The impact knocked the wind out of me and I couldn't inhale, I couldn't even scream. I did lay there thinking I'd not long to go because I still wasn't breathing.

Out of the fog came a figure, he breathed life back into me. He picked me up and carried me up from the track, over the Sand Hill, down the park, over my garden fence and lay me down on the grass under the kitchen window.

He was the man I had seen in the silhouette on the crest of the Sand Hill before.He told me his name was Michael.

He went up to the door and knocked. When the handle turned to open it, Michael simply disappeared.

My father found me lying there flat out, thinking it was a diabetic fit he tried to sit me up. When in the upright position, I threw up a projectile vomiting. I was in agony then, I couldn't breathe again and my father was frantic. He was calling on my mother to assist him. They carried me inside with them still thinking it was a diabetic related condition.

I was trying to lift my T-shirt to show the damage from my experience but my arms were too weak.

After about ten minutes of lectures for letting my blood-sugar get too low, for being on my bike in the fog and for everything under the sun..it turned out to be not the case.The testing showed that I was fine and my blood-sugar levels were not the problem.

I managed to lift the T-shirt and show them the bruise, a perfectly round magenta colored bruise.

My father then asked where my bike was and I told him it was still over by the tracks.

He then asked How did I get back to the house? I told him Michael carried me.

He never questioned who he was. We had a few Michaels stay close by. But this Michael, my Michael, was not from around here.This was definitely the same person I had seen in the silhouette the first night I saw the glowing globes.

I was confined to the house and garden for about two weeks, even my legs felt weak from the bruise to the liver.

As I remained inside, I would watch out over the park and see my friends running about. I wanted to get back outside to play with them, but I couldn't lift my legs high (without pain, a cramp in the liver)to get them over the fence.

One particular day later that summer, it was hot out. It was too hot to be outside. I went upstairs to the back bedroom of the house, just looking out the window. The neighbors had a sheet metal walled garage, which would buckle and creak in the heat.

When you looked at it would shimmer as if going to revert back to its liquid stage, I had planted a Rowan tree half-way down the length of this garage about four years before this and by now it was about the height of a man. It was quite spindly on this particular day. It was then that I saw a figure the size of a grown man, lurking behind the tree. It saw me watching and instantly melted into the garage wall. Before it could I saw it. I looked right at it and it looked for a moment like a mercury man. It was all chrome or very reflective like made of polished metal.

I hurried as fast as I could to get back down the stairs. It is something that would normally take me 30 seconds, but for some reason..it took about 5mins.

Outside, I made my way to the door of the garage. I saw a flash as I rounded the corner, and it looked like it came from the neighbors back-door and went to the other door into the garage.

I went in the top door and began shouting, "Come out, I know you are in here"!

There was no reply, so I quickly went in the bottom door.I saw a figure lying on an old sofa. He was trying to hide his face. He was trying to get me to go away. I asked him who he was, he said his name was Michael. I asked," My Michael"? but he didn't acknowledge.

He said he was starving asked if could I get him something to eat? I said, no.

I asked him again who he was. He said he was my neighbors son. I said no that he couldn't be.I said if you were their son, describe to me details of his parents bedroom .The man of the house had been a ships captain and had ships in bottles and compasses. He told me the name of the ship in the biggest bottle.Although I'd never heard mention of this son, he described to me something only what I thought a son would know.

He said again he was hungry and would I get him something to eat and drink.

The heat in the garage was suffocating, I thought I would oblige, as I was thirsty from being stifled in there too. I went to get some snacks and drink and returned ten minutes later, but he was gone.

I was annoyed, I had made a big effort and was exhausted and he didn't even bother to wait for it.I looked up into the sky at the back of the garage and saw a flash again.

When my neighbors returned from work that evening I asked them about their son Michael, as I'd never heard them mention him before. I had known them all my life and they were now quite elderly and the couple had three grown up children. They told me that they did have a son called Michael, but he'd been killed the year I was born. It was a Motorcycle crash 400 miles away, that took his life.

So, I started to think again..What was this that I had seen? If I hadn't seen the bright streak of light leaving the couple's house to the garage, I might have settled for the explanation of a returning spirit/ghost. It could be explained as Michael's spirit returning to his parents. The way it all happened made me think that it could have been an extraterrestrial going into the house, to gain the knowledge of the neighbor's circumstances. All the things Michael had said about the boats and compasses, even down to who he said he was, could have been gained from the parents house.

My conclusion to this was that it was made to appear to me that I had encountered the spirit/ghost of Michael. I didn't buy into it as a spirit would never have asked me for food and drink. A spirit would just have de-materialized in front or me or before I even got there. I do not think that a spirit would have looked so exhausted in the heat.

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 9:36:49 GMT

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Circa 1971:

It was a balmy autumn night in late October. By this time in my life, I was aware of having had alien abduction experiences.

I was still in contact with someone telepathically. I had asked how I would be able to observe, but not be taken?

I was told, when I heard/feel the vibration, I am to sit on the ground at the top of a rise that is looking down on the area that me and my chums were playing games on. I was told that I would have to bring my knees up to my chest, lay the palms of my hands and the soles of my bare feet firmly on the ground, and to breathe very shallow, so that my vibration was not detected by them.

It happened and I watched the sky as the humming got louder. I saw something blackout an area where the stars were, as it came rolling past the park and continued towards us.

My friends were silenced from the whole experience. I could still hear them, for a few seconds. I then stared into the dark. I tried to estimate the size of the blacked out rectangular area and I reckon it was at least half the size of a UK football field.

The rectangle craft passed directly over the top of my friends and I. I could no longer see them, it was like a dark curtain. The color of the night came down and everything went dark, so dark that I could not see much.

It felt like a very long time before I heard the voices of my friends again. The true time that had passed was nearly fifteen minutes. Just as I saw them coming from the darkness, the object in the sky took a different shape, as it veered off to the left and upward it looked like it had morphed into a triangle UFO.

My friends were not aware of anything actually happening and I do remember all my friends that were taken.

The group was Charlotte, Anne, Denise, George, Crawford, Jean, Joyce, Marie and a few others who I was not so familiar with.

Charlotte and Anne were late mothers not having their first child until nearly 40. Marie,Joyce,Jean and George have all died from cancer. Crawford is infertile.Denise is brain-damaged due to a genetic illness that wasn't discovered until months after my sighting. Marie and Jean died from breast cancer. Joyce died from Systemic Lupus Erythmatosis and George died from Pancreatitis.

Crawfords parents also witnessed the large sphere of orange light that was bouncing in this same park, some two decades later,about 15ft from where I had sat that evening.

Circa 1973:

As children, we were quite adventurous. A group of us used to take a short cut under the canal using the railway tracks. It took you up to the woods and no traffic of any kind could access this area. It was a hiker's area.

We used to play hide and seek there and this particular day I elected to be the watcher. The watcher would be the person who would lookout for parents coming to get their children. You could see them coming from far enough away, to give ample time and notice. All the kids would have enough time so they could scramble out the woods and back along the track. Any child that had to leave would end up sitting, and playing quietly in the sand pit by the time their parents reached the crest of the hill. Thus limiting any consquences from the parents.

This day when I was watcher, I saw two energy spheres bouncing along the track. When they came through my side of the tunnel, they were now two grown men. They both had what looked like lumberjack shirts on and dark-blue denim trousers.

They inserted a long drill like object into the banking along the side of the railway. It was at one of the areas that was made up from tiny cobblestones, like a fine dry-stain dyke, very compact.

The two men seemed to be searching for some kind of mineral. It was the first time in my life I had heard the word Silicon.

They took what they had found and walked back along under the tunnel. They were talking as they went right under me but I couldn't make out what they were saying. I watched for them appearing on the other side of the track tunnel but they never did.

I then saw a friend approaching and I thought he would be caught by the adults, but he just walked right through having seen no one under the tracks. The place was deserted.

Circa 1974:

Walking along the canal from Ochiltree Terrace to Loch 16. I was strolling along the canal with my friend. It was around midday and it was a muggy but clear/sunny summer day. The air was buzzing it was so thick..

My friend and I were discussing what we were going to do and we were making plans. We were going to put up a tent in his back garden. He was a believer of UFOs and ET as much as me, but had no recollection of any experiences.

We had been discussing whether or not we would be lucky enough to catch sight of any UFO that night.

Just at that moment as we walked along at a leisurely pace, we were suddenly aware of a humming that was getting louder.Looking at each other, we turned our heads toward the definite noise source. We saw two dark clouds, each about the size of a car traveling at an almighty speed along the opposite side of the canal.

The UFOs hovered above two factories (Tar Works and a Fish Meal Processing Works). The stink and effluence running into the canal at this point was breath-catching. At this point in our journey we were usually running past the stretch, but that didn't happen this time.

We stood transfixed watching these "clouds" when suddenly we heard the roaring thunder of a jet approaching. The clouds became agitated and it was that fast, that we couldn't understand the physics of what happened.

The shapes went from being clouds to a grey/silver metal triangle. The UFOs took of from the other side of the canal. Once they crossed the canal and were above the houses, the metal of the crafts looked almost ice-like. At this point the crafts began a very fast rate of assent.

It looked like they shot through into another dimension. They did not just hide in another cloud, they just "popped" through the atmosphere. The distance it took for these crafts to do this, is estimated to have been no more than 40 feet on the horizontal and 60 feet in height.

It was immediately after this that a real jet passed overhead. It was military and it was definitely chasing them.

The fighter was so low to the houses that the roof tiles were jumping and shaking. Very soon after that another two jets followed. They made their way in the same direction as the lead jet. They disappeared towards the River Forth.

My friend had not only his first sighting of a UFO, but his first sighting of jet aircraft. He said they were U.S.A.F. jets.

Our ears were so sore we couldn't hear each other speak, and our eyes were popping out of our skulls. We about turned and made our way home. I think this gave my friend a real big fright, he cried that day and we never spoke much of UFOs for some time.

His mother had never seen him in this state since he was a very small child. She heard the jets but never saw the UFOs.

My friend was the tough guy in the local neighborhood and able to handle any trouble that came his way. He got such a shock that it was something that he couldn't handle

Nearly thirty years later he asks me one day, if I still see UFOs? The answer to that is I never saw another one there after that.

I moved away from the area in September that year and have since scarcely returned.

I asked the same question to him, he replied with a matter of fact, "Aye still seeing them".

takenbythegreys-abductions.blogspot.com/2011/10/shocking-ufo-et-encounters-from.htm

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 10:03:04 GMT

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This post is the following questions some from the members here now and some from time gone by. I have just noticed I did not always catch a name, so I will leave the questions as they stand.

Thelmadonna
Telepathy seemed to be how my friend communicated with me mostly. I did hear him using a click type language with others of his ilk. I also was aware of a colour change from night and day. During the night he looked grey, but during the day playing on the hill, he looked light green, nearly the same as the grass.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 14th, 2014, 10:03pm »

Thelmadonna, when you would see the bright colored lights around the homes that were near your house did anyone else in the neighborhood also witness them? I mention this because I believe that some people such as contactee's and abductees are either predisposed or may simply have a built in radar(implants?) to pick them up. Others who frequently see them may simply have a gift. It might even be genetic!

I'm not talking about mass sighting events like Phoenix but more like what you describe. Over the years I've read accounts similar to yours that seems to be viewed in a broad spectrum of colors. Any thoughts? Dan

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 12:05am »

Hi Thelmadonna, interesting account. Do you recall a tall dark shadow like person ever come out of a closet and stand over your cot or bed, or at anytime you tried to get away from them it would be like running through syrup making every move you made become slow motion? Reading your account is like viewing my own life memories that I managed to suppress until the abduction on the A70. The orbs on hills still visit that area and I have watched them from the sherdales as well as at RAF Lucars and the jets and helicopters still chase them. Another question, when being steriliesed in the light did you notice the bacteria and parasites leave your body and look as though they were magnified? I personally do not have a clue how it works Dan but you just know where and when to look and you talk to them with your heart and mind and what I mean by that is the thoughts appear to come from your chest or abdomen and flow up through your head. Thelmadonna did you ever try to avoid them as a child, I used to wait until my parents went to bed then get out of the house to a cave system that went deep underground then sit in the dark until morning but alas the council back filled them in the sixties for some odd reason. It would be interesting to find how many suffered your fate in the fifty’s and sixties, I know of at least five children six including you.

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« Reply #9 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 07:33am »

on Jan 14th, 2014, 10:03pm, GForce wrote:

Thelmadonna, when you would see the bright colored lights around the homes that were near your house did anyone else in the neighborhood also witness them? I mention this because I believe that some people such as contactee's and abductees are either predisposed or may simply have a built in radar(implants?) to pick them up. Others who frequently see them may simply have a gift. It might even be genetic!

I'm not talking about mass sighting events like Phoenix but more like what you describe. Over the years I've read accounts similar to yours that seems to be viewed in a broad spectrum of colors. Any thoughts? Dan

I am not sure if any humans saw any, the local dogs were aware, they would howl like they were in pain.

There were a couple of mass sightings aout a decade after I let. There were questions in Parliament, also reports in The National and Local press.

I seem to hae been able to do most things that are classed as Paranormal

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 10:52am »

So true Thelmaddona hence why I keep so many big dogs inside the house, ok the barking drives you nuts but they see what we don’t so good warning system something is around. Are you talking about the Bonybridge sightings?

HYUNDI,

INDEED...VERY MUCH THE SAME WAY SIAMESE CATS ALERTED HIGH PRIESTS IN THE TEMPLES OF ANCIENT EGYPT... shocked shocked shocked... wink

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 12:26pm »

on Jan 15th, 2014, 10:52am, hyundisonata wrote:

So true Thelmaddona hence why I keep so many big dogs inside the house, ok the barking drives you nuts but they see what we don’t so good warning system something is around. Are you talking about the Bonnybridge sightings?

Yes indeed, those were the ones that came a decade or so later.

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 1:36pm »

on Jan 14th, 2014, 3:49pm, ZETAR wrote:

I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL THINGS "THOTH" wink

I wonder where the Emerald tablets are and also are they complete?

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« Reply #14 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 2:10pm »

THELMADONNA,

MY "THOTH" IS THAT THOSE {EMERALD TABLETS} ARE COMPLETE...MUCH LIKE THE {ARC OF ZION}...WAITING FOR THAT SPECIFIC>>>COSMIC FREQUENCY<<< TO RELEASE SUCH POWER...IMH..."THOTH" cool

THEY SAY...CAREFUL OF THE "TIME WELL" ONE STEPS IN rolleyes...MOREOVER...THERE IS A (R.S.V.P.) AND NOT HAVING THE RIGHT CODE...SEEMS TO PROVIDE A NUMBER OF DIMINISHING RETURNS...JUST AN "OBSERVERS VIEWPOINT" THAT IS.

SHALOM...Z

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« Reply #15 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm »

Thanks Thelmadonna for your amazing and enjoyable account! I liked the sardines story, felt weirded by the 'figure' who later turned out Michael (to my thinking immediately associating with the biblical Angel of same name), and worry about all the health problems you suggest relating to UFO contact, for yourself and some others around you.

Well told all around. At times I get a sense of a dreamlike quality of the events (although realizing you report a waking, conscious experience), as if these aliens operate in a very different realm, obeying a very different set of rules.

Is it fair to say your Greys aren't too bad a sort? They do cause havoc though, upsetting the normality of life. Weird folk doin' weird stuff. smiley

Have you formed an opinion concerning the UFO/alien experiences you had? And regarding the alien entities you seemed to have encountered? Why did it happen to you, what purpose is served by these happenings?

Thanks for sharing,

purr

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 2:50pm »

Lot going down near and in bonybridge Thelmaddona, spent many a night up at the roman ruins watching and had a few interesting sights but nothing ET. One such incident was a convoy of arctic trucks that looked as though they where driving along a road that was a dead end so I went and had a closer look only to find they had driven onto the railway track and where following it, unlike America etc you cannot drive on rail lines here. I followed them as far as possible and found the start of a large underground facility that in turn led to my run in with MIB and boy are these guys thick as mince lol. This brings me to my next question have you had run-ins with the government or military + MIB such as dark windowed range rovers and helicopters filming you etc.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 3:07pm »

No not to my knowledge Hyundi, but it was on Park land next to the old Roman Fort site.

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 3:52pm »

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

felt weirded by the 'figure' who later turned out Michael (to my thinking immediately associating with the biblical Angel of same name),

I would concur. I think THoTH, Hermes and Michael are one and the same.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

At times I get a sense of a dreamlike quality of the events (although realizing you report a waking, conscious experience), as if these aliens operate in a very different realm, obeying a very different set of rules.

Is it fair to say your Greys aren't too bad a sort? They do cause havoc though, upsetting the normality of life. Weird folk doin' weird stuff. smiley

They have no Empathy with us,only workers,like a conscripted army, some good guys,some bad guys.working their bit.For their end.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

Have you formed an opinion concerning the UFO/alien experiences you had? And regarding the alien entities you seemed to have encountered? Why did it happen to you, what purpose is served by these happenings?

They do try to find your spirit,to catch your soul, they,like us they cant see it, it isnt tangible, they are unable to complete this task. It wont stop them trying though.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

Thanks for sharing,

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 5:54pm »

Like everyone else I would like to thank you for sharing your most remarkable story and experiences.

What can one really say upon hearing a story of such an involved and bizarre nature?

As you probably recall and others here know I often use Dr Vallee's models when approaching the ufo enigma and it's related events. When dealing with so many of these cases the apparent similarities to ancient lore and occult experiences can be remarkable. Are these space aliens here to look us over or 'something' else ?

From what you have said and the nuances involved in your tale/experiences the first thing that popped into my mind was the writings of Nigel Kerner in his book Song of The Greys. You may have read it and his second book also.

His premise is that the 'aliens' are here to 'steal' our 'souls'.

If you are familiar with his book it might give you some insight into your experiences if it's a model that seems valid to you.

Dr Wu I am not a well read person bookwise. The only two books I have read was Mc X by Malcolm Robertson that I bought in a charity shop a year or so, mainly for its Bonnybridge,Falkirk,Grangemoth Triangle connection.

The other was a study of the history of Pine Gap from its simple ballistic days to the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile days.

The only ET related films I have seen was ET and Close Encounters.

I have read thousands, if not tens of thousands of reports. I have read about most American projects from Aurora, Grudge, Sign and all along the way.

Sorry if I am a tad late with response.

When exposed to these "things", it leaves a person thinking outside of the box.

What is your opinion concerning these beings, (true) friend or foe ? What do you think is their agenda ?

The one I interacted with seemed friendly enough. It didn't seem to be overjoyed at being away from home so long, it wanted to be home with his family, like I said earlier,it sounded like conscription,

Their objective was unclear other than them harvesting eggs and sperm. I am unsure if they did this to me. I was very little when they first started taking me.

I know they weren't pleased to be called Alien.

They also said they wouldn't interact with us until they had an Embassy on equal footing with Earthly nations, flags and all,

I know they weren't pleased to be called Alien.

They also said they wouldn't interact with us until they had an Embassy on equal footing with Earthly nations, flags and all,

Honestly how can they expect an Embassy without first making contact? Granted they have had some limited contact at least through abductions. I would be curious if they've had at least some contact with world leaders or groups of people such as the early Egyptians, Mayans or other Indian tribes. My belief...guess is that they have had some interactions and limited contact.

I think they have made contact with leaders before. I think the stories of Ike in the desert are true.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_q.htm

I also was shown them blowing down the walls of Jericho with sonic laser-like weapons.

It sounds impossible but I think I was taken back there to see for myself.

I think they have made contact with leaders before. I think the stories of Ike in the desert are true.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_q.htm

I also was shown them blowing down the walls of Jericho with sonic laser-like weapons.

It sounds impossible but I think I was taken back there to see for myself.

I believe that too! I think Ike was the first who met with them although I think both FDR and Truman knew about them. As for the sonic like laser weapons? Very possible. In some ways it sounds like HAARP. If the USA recovered down spacecraft and reversed engineered it HAARP could have come from such a craft.

on Jan 16th, 2014, 10:18am, thelmadonna wrote:

Dr Wu I am not a well read person bookwise. The only two books I have read was Mc X by Malcolm Robertson that I bought in a charity shop a year or so, mainly for its Bonnybridge,Falkirk,Grangemoth Triangle connection.

The other was a study of the history of Pine Gap from its simple ballistic days to the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile days.

The only ET related films I have seen was ET and Close Encounters.

I have read thousands, if not tens of thousands of reports. I have read about most American projects from Aurora, Grudge, Sign and all along the way.

Sorry if I am a tad late with response.

I understand, but if you can find the time you might find some insights in these two books.

Dimensions by J Vallee

Song Of The Greys by N Kerner

I'm not proposing that either book has the 'answer' but they both touch on aspects very similar to your experiences though they have different explanations as to the nature of the phenomenon.

I remain undecided about the true nature of this phenomenon and related events ,but it's clear that people have very strange experiences that cannot be easily brushed away as merely psychological in nature.

To quote a very interesting fellow by the name of Terrance McKenna:

"Is what we moderns have remaining to learn about the nature of reality slight and will it require only light fine tuning of our current way of looking at things; or do we understand very little , missing the point entirely about the nature of our situation in being?"

on Jan 17th, 2014, 8:53pm, drwu23 wrote:

You'll have to argue with the Tesla conspiracists on that one since they claim HAARP was a direct result of Tesla's work.

grin

You're absolutely correct drwu! I had forgot about that.

Thelmadonna I have always wanted to ask this question so I will. If you had to chose only one...Would you now consider yourself an abductee or contactee? I realize most people are abducted first but given time I wonder what you consider yourself and experience.

Since I have no such experience I can only imagine that with multiple experiences and time comes a realization and an acceptance that allows communication. Those who are fearful such as an abductee would not be open to communication. Is my theory far fetched?

Dan

on Jan 17th, 2014, 9:59pm, GForce wrote:

Thelmadonna I have always wanted to ask this question so I will. If you had to chose only one...Would you now consider yourself an abductee or contactee? I realize most people are abducted first but given time I wonder what you consider yourself and experience.

I would consider myself to be an Abductee, no longer a contactee, or perhaps, they never found me after I had the first implant removed.

Dan

Your theory is right about the fear factor. Around the age of 15yrs I knew they would be back for me once again.When the dogs would howl I was terrified, I wouldnt sleep at all for nights on end. I would feel a buzzing in my right temple area. Not tinitus, nowhere near the ear canal.

I had an X-Ray in my 20's for an impacted wisdom tooth. The X-Ray showed a foreign object, a perfect triangle.

I was supposed to be totally unconscious on theatre table but I heard the conversation between dentist and anaesthetist, that the grinder head had totally worn down, at the point the diamond-bit grinder broke. The dentist said to the anaesthetist that he would need to get another one. When he left my side I felt the implant move rapidly down my bottom jaw. The dentist was back and asked out loud. Where did it go? That's all I remember hearing.57 stitches later I woke up in recovery.

on Jan 17th, 2014, 9:15pm, drwu23 wrote:

I understand, but if you can find the time you might find some insights in these two books.

Dimensions by J Vallee

Song Of The Greys by N Kerner

I remain undecided about the true nature of this phenomenon and related events ,but it's clear that people have very strange experiences that cannot be easily brushed away as merely psychological in nature.

To quote a very interesting fellow by the name of Terrance McKenna:

"Is what we moderns have remaining to learn about the nature of reality slight and will it require only light fine tuning of our current way of looking at things; or do we understand very little , missing the point entirely about the nature of our situation in being?"

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

And I also don't mean to be disrespectful but simply by being here and reading these ideas and talking to others you are indeed tainting your thinking. No way around it, but as an intelligent woman you should easily be able to separate the two and not fall into a particular mind set...if you wish.

on Jan 18th, 2014, 10:33am, thelmadonna wrote:

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

takenbythegreys-abductions.blogspot.com/2011/10/shocking-ufo-et-encounters-from.htm

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Thelmadonna's Abduction Account Apr 17, 2018 10:06:04 GMT

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Hello Thelmadonna, with all the respect, if you were as intelligent as you say, you would know already that Urandir is a hoaxter. It's old news really. We all know here in Brazil that he is a liar.

Check this link please: www.ignaciodarnaude.com/revelacion_extraterrestre/Fernandes%20Oliveira,UFO%20contacts,Brazil,Gevaerd.htm

The information at this link should be more than enough to prove you that Jurandir is a hoaxter, and with all the respect, again, this not new for a long time!

Better luck next time rolleyes

on Jan 18th, 2014, 11:59pm, alvaroslash wrote:
Hello Thelmadonna, with all the respect, if you were as intelligent as you say, you would know already that Urandir is a hoaxter. It's old news really. We all know here in Brazil that he is a liar.

Check this link please: www.ignaciodarnaude.com/revelacion_extraterrestre/Fernandes%20Oliveira,UFO%20contacts,Brazil,Gevaerd.htm

The information at this link should be more than enough to prove you that Jurandir is a hoaxter, and with all the respect, again, this not new for a long time!

Better luck next time rolleyes

Hi alvaro, There's no question that some claims are hoaxes. I also think part of the problem with claims which make headlines like Travis Walton or even Bob Lazar is the inclination to embellish their story happens. Skeptics often wait for those changes in their story, additions to it to poke holes in their story. Rightfully so IMO. However there could be an iota of truth to anything. Since I'm not entrenched with the details of Jurandir's story other than a few things I've read I will say that some people may well relate to the claims. Maybe even had similar experiences.

I would not question thelmadonna's intelligence since you don't live in her shoes. If Thelma has had similar experiences that it's only natural that she would feel a kinship. Maybe she shares a common belief. Maybe it's a gut feeling. What Ufology boils down to is beliefs for most of us. Evidence is usually lacking in all accounts and reports, especially in personal experiences. Heck evidence is lacking period. If a claim can be 100% refuted then it's a hoax but it doesn't mean the claims doesn't resonate with someone else based on their belief or experience. My point is simply that we shouldn't question intelligence.

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 2:32pm »
I would like to say that I am not put down by your view Alvaroslash. Each to their own. I broached this subject with Bob Pratt when he was still alive. We spoke of the evidence that LMH had on Earthfiles. A four part piece dated 06/06/2003. I would repeat it here, but unless I want to subscribe, that is impossible. So anyone who has access, could they kindly post it. The evidence was never refuted as far as I am aware.

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 21st, 2014, 6:04pm »
Right back to business. I am bringing over a comment made by Chairman Meow from the welcome thread.

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Let us know what questions you have unanswered about your abduction..and we will give it a crack shall we?
And don't trouble your precious heart about dem septic bullies and trolls....we are lookin out for dem too..

Cheers!

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I would like to know if when left with the word Cadmium, Did they mean their ships were made from it?

I have searched online and discovered this element can be shown as everything from Angel-hair, to gun-metal grey to halogen plasma and even green plasma.

Anybody got any thoughts on that?

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« Reply #36 on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 5:30pm »
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium
based on our current uses it would not be suitable for building any type of space ship though it has uses in batteries and other areas.

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« Reply #37 on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 10:58pm »
on Jan 23rd, 2014, 5:30pm, drwu23 wrote:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium
based on our current uses it would not be suitable for building any type of space ship though it has uses in batteries and other areas.

Interesting drwu. What if there was a way to use it in the body of the ship itself to store and transfer energy? While I don't know what kind of fuel would be needed to travel millions of miles across galaxies I would think any spacecraft would have limited space for fuel. Because we can't do it doesn't mean an advanced race couldn't.

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« Reply #38 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 02:28am »
Lots of ways it could be used for space ships WU, depending on what fuel if they use any or the transfer of energy it would be useful in a protective shield for the spaceships occupants when say mixed through plastic giving good radio active protection . You will probably find it in such things as the tiles used on the shuttle due to its anti corrosion and heat resistant properties, we still live in the muscle era where we need big heavy machines to push pull or thrust movement when for all we know ET might just be using a similar way to what Jules Vern used just a simple paint that pushed or pulled on gravity. If it is intelligent it will find the safest and easiest way to go from A to B without having to build ruddy great big jumbo jets etc you just have to look at nature that abundantly surrounds us to see that the transfer of energies happens constantly without the need for fuels or machines , there again they might not use it in the ships but use it as something else such as food?
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www.webelements.com/cadmium/

Table: basic information about and classifications of cadmium. •Name: Cadmium
•Symbol: Cd
•Atomic number: 48
•Atomic weight: 112.411 (8) [see note g]
•Standard state: solid at 298 K
•CAS Registry ID: 7440-43-9
•Group in periodic table: 12
•Group name: (none)
•Period in periodic table: 5
•Block in periodic table: d-block
•Colour: silvery grey metallic
•Classification: Metallic

Cadmium: historical information
Cadmium was discovered by Friedrich Strohmeyer at 1817 in Germany. Origin of name: somewhat confusingly, from the Latin word "cadmia" meaning "calamine" (zinc carbonate, ZnCO3) and from the Greek word "kadmeia" with the same meaning..Cadmium was discovered by Friedrich Stromeyer in 1817 from an impurity in some samples pf zinc carbonate, ZnCO3. He noted that these particular samples changed colour on heating, which pure zinc carbonate does not. He was persistent enough to follow this observation through and he eventually isolated some cadmium metal by roasting and reduction of the sulphide.

Cadmium: physical properties
•Melting point: 594.22 [or 321.07 °C (609.93 °F)] K
•Boiling point: 1040 [or 767 °C (1413 °F)] K
•Density of solid: 8650 kg m-3
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Cadmium: orbital properties
•Ground state electron configuration: [Kr].4d10.5s2
•Shell structure: 2.8.18.18.2
•Term symbol: 1S0
•Pauling electronegativity: 1.69 (Pauling units)
• First ionisation energy: 867.8 kJ mol-1
• Second ionisation energy: 1631.4 kJ mol-1
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Isolation
Isolation: it is rare that preparation of cadmium in the laboratory should be required bacause of environmental concerns about cadmium. The isolation of cadmium is associated with zinc recovery as cadmium is an impurity in zinc ores. Most zinc production is based upon sulphide ores. These are roasted in industrial plants to form zinc oxide, ZnO. This may be reduced with carbon to form zinc metal, but in practice ingenious technology is required to ensure that the resulting zinc does not contain oxide impurities.

ZnO + C ? Zn + CO

ZnO + CO ? Zn + CO2

CO2 + C ? 2CO

After this process, zinc may be refined by distillation under vacuum and this process also allows the separation of any cadmium present in the crude zinc.

The other type of extraction of zinc is electrolytic. Dissolution of crude zinc oxide, ZnO, in sulphuric acid gives zinc sulphate, ZnSO4 in solution. Before electrolysis to produce zinc, the cadmium impurity and is removed as a precipitate by the addition of zinc dust as cadmium sulphate.

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Cadmium - Cd

Chemical properties of cadmium - Health effects of cadmium - Environmental effects of cadmium
Atomic number
48

Atomic mass
112.4 g.mol -1

Electronegativity according to Pauling
1.7

Density
8.7 g.cm-3 at 20°C

Melting point
321 °C

Boiling point
767 °C

Vanderwaals radius
0.154 nm

Ionic radius
0.097 nm (+2)

Isotopes
15

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[ Kr ] 4d10 5s2

Energy of first ionisation
866 kJ.mol -1

Energy of second ionisation
1622 kJ.mol -1

Standard potential
-0.402 V

Discovered
Fredrich Stromeyer in 1817

Cadmium
Cadmium is a lustrous, silver-white, ductile, very malleable metal. Its surface has a bluish tinge and the metal is soft enough to be cut with a knife, but it tarnishes in air. It is soluble in acids but not in alkalis. It is similar in many respects to zinc but it forms more complex compounds.

Applications

About three-fourths of cadmium is used in Ni-Cd batteries, most of the remaining one-fourth is used mainly for pigments, coatings and plating, and as stabilizers for plastics. Cadium has been used particularly to electroplate steel where a film of cadmium only 0.05 mm thick will provide complete protection against the sea. Cadmium has the ability to absorb neutrons, so it is used as a barrier to control nuclear fission.

Cadmium in the environment

Cadmium can mainly be found in the earth's crust. It always occurs in combination with zinc. Cadmium also consists in the industries as an inevitable by-product of zinc, lead and copper extraction. After being applied it enters the environment mainly through the ground, because it is found in manures and pesticides.

Naturally a very large amount of cadmium is released into the environment, about 25,000 tons a year. About half of this cadmium is released into rivers through weathering of rocks and some cadmium is released into air through forest fires and volcanoes. The rest of the cadmium is released through human activities, such as manufacturing.

No cadmium ore is mined for the metal, because more than enough is produced as a byproduct of the smelting of zinc from its ore, sphelerite (ZnS), in which CdS is a significant impurity, making up as much as 3%. Consequently, the main mining areas are those associated with zinc. World production is around 14.000 tonnes per year, the main producing country is Canada, with the USA, Australia, Mexico, JApan and Peru also being the major suppliers.

Health effects of cadmium
Human uptake of cadmium takes place mainly through food. Foodstuffs that are rich in cadmium can greatly increase the cadmium concentration in human bodies. Examples are liver, mushrooms, shellfish, mussels, cocoa powder and dried seaweed.

An exposure to significantly higher cadmium levels occurs when people smoke. Tobacco smoke transports cadmium into the lungs. Blood will transport it through the rest of the body where it can increase effects by potentiating cadmium that is already present from cadmium-rich food.

Other high exposures can occur with people who live near hazardous waste sites or factories that release cadmium into the air and people that work in the metal refinery industry. When people breathe in cadmium it can severely damage the lungs. This may even cause death.

Cadmium is first transported to the liver through the blood. There, it is bond to proteins to form complexes that are transported to the kidneys. Cadmium accumulates in kidneys, where it damages filtering mechanisms. This causes the excretion of essential proteins and sugars from the body and further kidney damage. It takes a very long time before cadmium that has accumulated in kidneys is excreted from a human body.

Other health effects that can be caused by cadmium are:

- Diarrhoea, stomach pains and severe vomiting
- Bone fracture
- Reproductive failure and possibly even infertility
- Damage to the central nervous system
- Damage to the immune system
- Psychological disorders
- Possibly DNA damage or cancer development

Environmental effects of cadmium
Cadmium waste streams from the industries mainly end up in soils. The causes of these waste streams are for instance zinc production, phosphate ore implication and bio industrial manure. Cadmium waste streams may also enter the air through (household) waste combustion and burning of fossil fuels. Because of regulations only little cadmium now enters the water through disposal of wastewater from households or industries.

Another important source of cadmium emission is the production of artificial phosphate fertilizers. Part of the cadmium ends up in the soil after the fertilizer is applied on farmland and the rest of the cadmium ends up in surface waters when waste from fertilizer productions is dumped by production companies.

Cadmium can be transported over great distances when it is absorbed by sludge. This cadmium-rich sludge can pollute surface waters as well as soils.

Cadmium strongly adsorbs to organic matter in soils. When cadmium is present in soils it can be extremely dangerous, as the uptake through food will increase. Soils that are acidified enhance the cadmium uptake by plants. This is a potential danger to the animals that are dependent upon the plants for survival. Cadmium can accumulate in their bodies, especially when they eat multiple plants. Cows may have large amounts of cadmium in their kidneys due to this.

Earthworms and other essential soil organisms are extremely susceptive to cadmium poisoning. They can die at very low concentrations and this has consequences for the soil structure. When cadmium concentrations in soils are high they can influence soil processes of microrganisms and threat the whole soil ecosystem.

In aquatic ecosystems cadmium can bio accumulate in mussels, oysters, shrimps, lobsters and fish. The susceptibility to cadmium can vary greatly between aquatic organisms. Salt-water organisms are known to be more resistant to cadmium poisoning than freshwater organisms.

Animals eating or drinking cadmium sometimes get high blood-pressures, liver disease and nerve or brain damage.

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« Reply #40 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 08:33am »
DrWu I am swayed toward it being much more than just batterries.
1. Silvery Metallic Metal.
2. It can be found in cows. (perhaps a cause of cattle mutilations)
3.The areas it can be found in are all UFO Hotspots.

Scotland where I am from is not mentioned. That puzzled me. That is until I found the next 2 links

www.hmag.gla.ac.uk/john/huntmin/greenock.htm

Greenockite

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This very rare mineral is something of a Glasgow speciality. Most of the world's best specimens were found near here over a century ago. The Hunterian Museum has over 30 specimens, many of superb quality.

What is greenockite?
Greenockite is the mineralogical name for naturally occurring cadmium sulphide with a hexagonal crystal structure. The chemical formula is CdS. Synthetic forms of this material are used as pigments in some yellow paints, although due to their toxicity, this is rare nowadays.

What does it look like?
The colour can be various shades of yellow or orange. On fresh surfaces, it is very bright and lustrous, but becomes duller when weathered - much greenockite from the Glasgow area has a dull greenish-yellow surface tinge. The very largest crystals are around 1.5 cm across, but most are much smaller: 1-3mm would be more typical. Normally the crystals are not well formed, but are entirely enclosed in other minerals, especially prehnite or calcite, and are only seen when the material is broken. Good, well-formed crystals are found in cavities: these are usually hexagonal pyramids with a flat base, although flatter hexagonal plates also occur.

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How was it discovered?

Greenockite was first described by Jameson, and Connell, in 1840, who examined specimens found in a railway cutting at Bishopton, on the south bank of the River Clyde, a few miles west of Glasgow. However, it had been noticed earlier: a specimen had been collected in 1816, by Thomas Brown, but identified as sphalerite.

Is it named after the town of Greenock?

No. It was named after Lord Greenock, who owned the land on which it was found. Greenockite is one of the select band of minerals named after Scots or Scottish localities.Others include strontianite, caledonite, lanarkite, susannite, scotlandite, macphersonite, leadhillite, edingtonite, thomsonite, mattheddleite, and mullite.

What's the geology of this area?

Greenockite is found in Lower Carboniferous (Visean) basaltic lavas of the Strathclyde Group. These are mildly to moderately silica-undersaturated rocks, erupted around 340 million years ago. Ankaramitic rocks ("Craiglockhart Type" basalts) are a major component of the lavas in the Bishopton area. These lavas show extensive hydrothermal alteration, caused by hot circulating groundwaters during cooling of the lava flows, , and it was during this alteration that the greenockite was formed.

Is it valuable?
Soon after the first descriptions in 1840, specimens became highly sought after, and high prices were soon being asked for greenockites from this area. There must have been something of a roaring trade in the stuff, as most of the great mineral museums across the world have specimens of greenockite from Bishopton. A few specimens have also been found at other localities nearby, although Bishopton, seems to have been the only locality which produced large quantities of material. Crystallized greenockite remains an extremely scarce material, and good specimens are now rarely seen on the market.

Is it poisonous?
Cadmium is an extremely toxic metal, and eating large pieces of greenockite would have very serious, if not fatal effects. However, greenockite is also an extremley insoluble mineral under normal conditions, and so very little cadmium escapes into the environment through dissolution of greenockite. Although data on this are lacking, it is quite likely that the rocks around Bishopton are not especially rich in cadmium. Greenockite occurs there because special processes have concentrated cadmium which is normally dispersed through large volumes of rock at very low levels, into a few large grains. The formation of greenockite crystals may well have resulted in abnormal cadmium-depletion in the surrounding rocks.
Higher environmental levels of cadmium are found associated with some black shales, and with zinc orebodies. The latter almost always contain significant cadmium, and may give rise to serious pollution problems. (Another reason to not frack
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Where else is greenockite found?
Other Scottish localities inlcude:
Erskine; probably from an old quarry in the grounds of the current hospital (Meikle, 199*). This is only a mile or so from Bishopton. Only known from old specimens, some very fine, and all in the Hunterian Museum. The matrix of these specimens is rather different from the Bishopton material, being "ashier" and more porous.
Kilpatrick, on the north side of the clyde, opposite Erskine and Bishopton. This is where Thomas Brown found his specimen in 1816, almost 30 years before the species was formally described. This specimen is in the Hunterian Museum, together with much of the rest of his collection. No other specimens have been found since, to my knowlege.
Loanhead quarry, near Beith in Ayrshire. This active quarry is about 15 miles to the south of the other localities. Excellent specimens of thomsonite, prehnite and analcime are easily collected, as well as more exotic species such as harmotome, edingtonite and greenockite, and many more. Greenockite is extremely scarce, and the specimens are not as good as the Bishopton/Erskine/Kilpatrick ones.
Although the original Bishopton railway tunnel/cutting locality is not accessible now, greenockite has turned up in fair quantities recently, in spoil produced during the construction of the M8 motorway, very close to the original locality. Some large grains, and even some well-crystallised material has been found, as well as the exceedingly scarce cadmium carbonate mineral, otavite (Faithfull and Hubbard, in press).
greenockite is fairly common as a bright yellow powdery stain on weathered zinc-rich ores at Wanlockhead in Dumfriesshire. This type of occurrence is quite common else where in the world as well, but the crystals are sub-microscopic in size.
You can see Scottish greenockite specimens on display at the Hunterian Museum, and at the National Museums of Scotland, in Edinburgh.

Anywhere else?
Yellow powdery crusts of greenockite (and the similar cubic polymorph of CdS, hawleyite), are not uncommon where sphalerite is weathered, but macroscopically crystallised greenockite is very rare.
Localities inlclude:

Paterson area, New Jersey, USA
Arlington quarry, Loudon Co., Virginia, USA
Asunta, in Potosi, and other localities in Bolivia.
Silver Standard Mine, British Columbia, Canada
These have been lifted from the literature, and I haven't spent much time chasing up better info so I'd be very grateful for any information about these, or other sources of good greenockite specimens.

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« Reply #41 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 09:42am »
Colours of Cadmium
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments
Cadmium Yellow, Cadmium Orange, and Cadmium Red
Isotopes of Cadmium are the three colous most often obseved in the phenomena called Orbs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_cadmium

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_fluoride

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_iodide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_bromide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_chloride
Cadmium chloride is also used for photocopying, dyeing and electroplating.
So not just batterries.

Its local through the central belt, I have quite a bit here on my land and what else is local yip good old ET in his UFO. You could be onto something TD , we know nothing really about UFO or ET and those that do claim knowledge are just blow hards putting forward a theory that most of the time holds very little water lol. Could be one explanation as to why et appeared to be doing soil and biological survey at the top of my land and abductions that have occurred in this area such as my own and others around the A70 could have been part of an examination project connected as ET wouldn’t know the victims did not live in the area. Just a shot in the dark.

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« Reply #46 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 01:19am »
Thelmadonna ! I am well pleased to read of your experiences and your replies to the posts ! Must be great to be 26 years old and to be intelligent ? I am 69 and still have a battle with it !
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« Reply #53 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:18am »
Question for Thelmadonna:

In all the 'visitations' have the 'aliens' ever left any actual forensic evidence? Any pics taken of them in or around your house...motion sensor information...independent eyewitness who happened to be in the area and saw these beings....any physical debris of any kind left behind by the beings ...anything?
I ask because after all these years of visitation by various entities no one seems able to come up with any actual physical evidence at all of the alien presence though we do get physical markings of apparent 'landings' in some cases. Does this imply really talented aliens or something else?

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« Reply #55 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:35am »
Apart from the alien implant/s I have had show up on X-Ray DrWu. No I have no tangible evidence. First one was in the right upper jaw. Second X-Ray showed up centre-front where you would describe as where a cleft chin would be, if I were a man. It is the one that moved during op, so same one x-rayed in two different positions.

HMMM...I GUESS WHAT GFORCE IS TRYING TO SAY...IS THAT IT IS UP TO THE READER TO DECIDE...WHETHER~FAITH~FACT~OR-FICTION...
MOREOVER,...WHEN DEALING...EMPATHIZING WITH ONES EXPERIENCE MAY PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF DATA...
DOES ANY OF THE AFOREMENTIONED (EXPERIENCES/ENCOUNTERS/REVELATIONS) NEED TO BE VETTED...OBVIOUSLY...AT SUCH POINT...IT THEN CAN GO THROUGH THE COURT OF DIGITAL OPINION...

I'M NOT SURE CATEGORIZING ANOTHERS OPINION WHICH MAY DIFFER FROM YOURS AS "WEIRD" IS A CIVIL APPROACH TO AN INTELLIGENT EXCHANGE...MY MOD MANAGEMENT STYLE MERELY WANTED TO BRING LIGHT TO SAME...NOT TO STEP ON ANY TOES MIND YOU wink

Indeed, indeed, ZETAR, and to further reinforce your pearls of wisdom quoted (this might be of interest to both Alvaroslash and Thelmadonna!), all of us have sensitive toes of various length dangling precariously in the forums, with some of our stories (including my own) including the uh.. weird cheesy. Not the experiencers' fault imho: aliens appear to behave like (at times) total weirdos.

So personally I can empathize with Thelmadonna sticking with her guns, as far as direct, personal experience is concerned. We experience whatever we experience, and that's what becomes our reality. Can't argue against personal experience / reality!

But 'vetting', having experience pass through the 'digital court' is perfectly fine too, just like proposing alternate insights like Wu is doing! We must be aware though that this process may be painful and even threatening to an alien abductee, trying to tell their story.

To Alvaro: after reading your links I can agree there's a lack of evidence for Urandir Oliveira's claims. Axiom remains... absence of evidence does not equate evidence of absence. If the bedding/stones show no anomalies clearly linking them to ET activity, his account still can be true. Is there any link available proving him directly hoaxing a UFO report or committing any type of fraud?

Simply (for now) imo Thelmadonna could be telling her story as she experienced it, even if her favorite sources or reading materials turn out questionable. I agree with GForce one need not change one's beliefs due to problems with a source. Scientific proof is a whole other matter of course (and hard to come by in UFOlogy).

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« Reply #58 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 2:00pm »
It depends on what is classed as evidence WU, I know evidence exists that would keep science puzzled for many years but no doubt like all evidence that is positive it disappears and the results are only seen by a few. ET left a calling card in the form of damage that has many questions and I know the evidence still exists still untouched but it’s useless as no one is interested in proving the ET reality unless they get their palms well greased. TDs story without evidence is just a story nothing more but for those that have endured and suffered similar it is real as they have lived the evidence and relate to her suffering, its not a religion its comradeship. I personally believe her due to similarities and knowing the activity in the area and I can understand those doubting her honesty when they do not have similarities or know at least some of the background such as area or the high abduction reports in the area etc in fact there was one case fully investigated and evidence gathered by the police who no doubt still hold that evidence as the case was unexplained but do we see the science buffs asking for this evidence and having the forensic results looked at and lets face it you cannot get better than a police investigation, not a hope in hell its just all words and money making schemes. nothing exists for the likes of TD that will undertake a proper investigation but there are plenty of resources for ridicule so debating such cases is all a one sided argument, from what I have experienced and investigated then no doubt a scientific group with the right resources and support could simply prove this reality yet this never happens and the big question has to be WHY NOT?

ello alvaro, You can question and debate even dispute evidence. I never said you couldn't. However I don't want this or any other thread to evolve into a long debate about subtopics. A post/link or two on the merits of a supporting topic is usually enough. We could spend pages talking about LMH or Jurandir. IMO that detracts from this or any other thread, the same holds true for my post here. In other words WE get off topic. When we do that it usually kills the thread. So if you find something you believe is untrue or you have evidence that supports a different argument then post it. Members can read it and make their own minds up

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« Reply #60 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 8:56pm »
on Jan 25th, 2014, 11:35am, thelmadonna wrote:
Apart from the alien implant/s I have had show up on X-Ray DrWu. No I have no tangible evidence. First one was in the right upper jaw. Second X-Ray showed up centre-front where you would describe as where a cleft chin would be, if I were a man.

Did you have them removed and analyzed..?

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« Reply #62 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:51pm »
Thelmadonna,

Have you posted your story elsewhere? If so did you learn anything there that might help us to better understand?

on Jan 25th, 2014, 8:56pm, drwu23 wrote:
Did you have them removed and analyzed..?

First of I didn't know I had any. I went to the dentist because of pain. He diagnosed "an impacted wisdom-tooth". Second step- he took an X-Ray, which showed a perfect triangle, sitting around the lower temple area.Third step: an overnight stay in hospital. I was under anaesthetic, but I could still hear and feel the sensation of the grinder trying to grind this triangle out. I heard the dentist say to the anaesthatist that the grinder bit had broke and he would need to get another one. The second he stood back from the table I had the sensation that it had moved down my jawline. When the dentist went in to finish the job. He said to the anaesthetist" Where did it go"? With no more job to do they just stitched the wound up.
20 or so years later I was in a distant hospital (St Johns in Livingston)due to being badly burned. Above the morphine I was having horrendous toothache, they took me to the Dental Unit and on their laser X-Ray and a perfect triangle showed up on the lower centre jaw under the rootbed of teeth. I was to go into surgery three days later, to have all my teeth removed. I was discharged the night before. I was told to go to my own local hospital. A two year wait later and three dentists later, the day arrived. To be faced with an entirely new dentist. Before going through to surgery I reminded her of the anomolous object and could she keep it aside. Her reply was "I wont be digging for anything" So as far as I am aware it will still be there.

Thelmadonna,

Have you posted your story elsewhere? If so did you learn anything there that might help us to better understand?

The only place my story was posted was in The Book of THoTH Library. When it was closing my friend grabbed a copy which he posted on his blog. Sadly like here it seems, no one has provided any clarity to the Cadmium question.

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« Reply #68 on: Jan 27th, 2014, 6:46pm »
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I'm afraid that metalurgy isn't my strong suit. What little I am aware of has been posted by others so I doubt I can add to that.
One point does come to mind, with your prolonged contact history. At any point did you ask about the method of travel or did you just concentrate on the beings?
Very often we meet contactees that claim to have long term contacts with these beings that never seem to discuss anything more than small talk.

Thank you skizicks. I remember my E saying it takes 30 yrs of our calendar to get here and on their clock it didn't take very long.

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on Jan 27th, 2014, 6:46pm, skizicks wrote:
'Very often we meet contactees that claim to have long term contacts with these beings that never seem to discuss anything more than small talk'.

And not just small talk but often absurd or meaningless dialogue.
Many 'contactees/experiencers' have reported that the 'aliens' say very odd things and in many cases have told people they are from Saturn, Venus, Jupiter etc...or even made up sounding names like Lanulos, Hoova, etc and yet at other times have used star names we do recognize.
Why lie to people about their origins since it's not like we are going to visit them anytime soon. Or for that matter why tell them anything at all?
Even after all of Whitley Strieber's contacts over many years (assuming one thinks his case genuine..) he's still no wiser about the origins of these 'aliens' and indeed has come to believe that they might not be from outer space at all.
He even asked them once if they could help him to be less afraid of them when they were around. The 'Grey leader' said they would try but that it would be very difficult. What does that even mean? Sounds more metaphysical and psychological in nature than an actual dialogue with a space alien.
As Vallee and others have said ,perhaps we are looking for answers in the wrong place.

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« Reply #71 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 12:49pm »
Thelmadonna,

Best wishes in your search for answers. I of course cannot give you any conclusive information about your experiences and I would be extremely wary of anyone on a UFO forum who claims that they can. I hope you find it helpful and beneficial to share your story and, again, best wishes with your search for answers.

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« Reply #72 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 1:30pm »
Topics related to a lack of available assistance from the mental health community, the scientific community and academia often arise during such discussions. I'd like to address some of that, please.

While it is true to certain extents that the UFO phenomenon and alleged alien abduction are less socially acceptable topics than many others, it is not entirely accurate that the communities mentioned above completely ignore the issues. As a matter of fact, many mental health professionals believe themselves to be experiencers, consider themselves UFO witnesses and similar such circumstances.

Mental health counselors can be found who subscribe to belief in alien abduction, while some others consider reports of alien abduction necessarily indicative of neuroses and/or mental issues - and all points in between. Supportive, therapeutic services can be found that fit what the client is seeking, but they DO have to seek it. It won't come to them, they have to find it.

About scientists and scholars... There is a wealth of material available from loads of qualified experts. Again, it ranges from Dr. Kary Mullis, a Nobel-winning chemist who reported events of extreme high strangeness experienced by himself and others at his California cabin (see Chalker, among other sources), to the work of such competent skeptics as Susan Blackmore and Stephanie Kelley-Romano.

Dr. Michael Heiser, at his blog UFO Religions, frequently cites and summarizes UFO and abduction related material presented by qualified professional scientists. As a matter of fact, he devoted an entire post to pointing out some research papers published - dozens of theses and dissertations - on topics ranging from UFO culture to ancient aliens.

Yet another good source for such material is the Society for Scientific Exploration website. It contains literally hundreds of reviews and rebuttals of work ranging from Vallee to Jacobs.

Just yesterday on Twitter, popular writer/researcher George Hansen posted a link to Fredrick Clark Bryan's 1998 Master's thesis, Aliens and Academics. Bryan composed it while attending Oregon State.

There is plenty of attention to the subject, folks. Funding and research projects are at a premium, but that does not change the fact that the UFO community perpetual claim they are ignored by science is simply not true. It's hyperbole and an exaggeration, as are much of the popular beliefs and material.

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« Reply #73 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 2:31pm »
Jj I can tell you that I was psychiatrically assessed when I was around 15/16yrs old. I was at that time terrified to go to sleep.I would try to go to sleep but was unable to. In a typical Scottish way I decided to do something about it and got stuck into a bottle of my fathers whisky. Oh I made myself comatose right enough, which ended me up in hospital, a charcoal drink, a dose of largactol and a Psychaitrist to boot. Not LoL. With the threat of a section into psyche ward I agreed to talk to the shrink.
The conclusion after tests, one of them being the "Rorschach Test" was I was sane, although the Psychaitrist had never seen a ufo himself. I told him which direction to look in the sky when leaving hospital in the evening. Within a short while (a week or two), he reported back to me that he and his son had observed something they couldn't identify.

Also I am not looking for ET answers. I already know about them. I am looking for Earthly answers. Thank You anyways!

Thank you for sharing.

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Thelmadonna's Story

Circa 1961:

My earliest recollections of something being not quite right were memories of being returned to my cot, which I stopped sleeping in at the age of around two years old, so it was prior to this.

I remember being lowered into it, on a green aura and screaming with no answer from my parents who were lying in bed aside me. At this point I was raised again and stood on the floor at the side of my parents bed.

My mother awoke startled and puzzled as to how I was there. I hadn't yet learned how to climb over the top and I had been screaming for a long time.I had a raised temperature and she checked me all over for lumps and bumps, in case I'd damaged myself. She assumed I had fallen from the top of the cot barrier to the floor.

Other than being able to remember this event, I have no memory of alien contact. (I asked my mother about this when I was 14, she remembered it very clearly, it stuck in her mind because of the cot, she said the doctor had been called in because of the temperature and I was diagnosed with having middle ear infection. A thing that has continued to plague me off and on throughout my life.......(I will mention this condition later) .

Circa 1964:

I was about five years old when I swapped bedrooms with my parents and I once again was in the room where my first strange memory had me placed.

The view from the bedroom window was expanded enormously by my father.He moved the bed linen box to the window and put it just below it, so I could stand on top of it and see outside. I could see the sky-line of the ridge of the Ochil Hills, where my father would point out lights.

He was ex-army and he used to tell me how they were jets from RAF Kinross / Machrahanish. When the ones that were going too fast for him to explain, he would say it was "The Yanks".

The area in view was near a flight path, but what we were watching on some nights were chases. There were regular manned jets but there were also golden orbs of light. It looked like they were playing a game of Tig/Chase. My father only ever saw them at great distance, 30- 40 miles. The jets would zig-zag along and up the length of The Hills and collect and disperse the globes of light higher up in the atmosphere like they were herding sheep.

The globes would reach a certain altitude on the vertical and then they would look like the white ball just hit the colored balls at full force on a pool table and each sped of at a different tangent and then just disappear. My dad would then tell me it was time to go to bed.

He would move the linen box back to the bottom of my bed because it was too heavy for me to move. It didn't take me long to work out a way to get it back over to the window. I would empty the linen piece by piece onto the bed and move the box corner by corner to the window. I would sit for what felt like hours and the globes would reappear, only not 30 to 40 mile away. Sometimes they would appear, just like they could after being blasted by a cue ball. Usually just over the roofs of a nearby housing estate.

This was a regular occurrence as in yearly( for at least ten years that I can account for.It has been recorded by others in later years).

Circa 1967:

When I was around eight years old, I observed a sphere of light (about 40 feet diameter). It was floating 10 feet above the houses in the other housing scheme that was visible from my bedroom window. It was about 250 yards away and it just sat there pulsing, like a street light will do with a certain type of rain falling past it.So slight, but the pulse was visible just the same.

After about 5 minutes it seemed to be getting smaller but more dense, more vibrant. As it continued doing this it rolled over the roof and toward the ground as it went down to the park that divided my scheme from the one where it appeared.

The ball of light was now about 20 feet in circumference, bouncing about. The more it bounced, thrummed, vibrated, the more light,energetic and animated it became. It seemed like it took about twenty minutes to gain its peak.

It's colours were a fire-red flickering, like as in a fire within a peachy coloured sphere. Every now and then I would hear a popping sound. I noticed smaller (about 2 feet) spheres that were more dim. They dropped down through the big spheres circumference, like tail-less sperm entering an egg. As they did the colour would change slightly, looking less strong in colour. Some of the flame-like streaks then changed to a fire-yellow, and with more yellow than red visible, colored sparks began resounding. They sounded like distant fire-crackers within the sphere.

It was like they were being sparked off in the color-sequence of the rainbow, there was method to this sequence. I just remember it looked like an invisible gyroscope with colored halogen light strapped to it being spun in all manners of directions. With the pattern from it as it started to increase in speed, the tracers started to look like solid lines, creating patterns that resemble a Spirograph or many of the crop circles. Each colour individually forming its own pattern and after completion, it looked like it dropped into a vortex just below the centre. As it went through the rainbow sequence,

I feared that I would not stay awake long enough to see the purple, my favorite color. It started off as the palest lilac color and ended its sequence purple neon, while the green sequence seemed very urgent. It was as if it was in a hurry to get it over with. Still the yellow-flamed streaks of color within the sphere were getting whiter as the green sequence finished. The white level got to what could be described as, as bright as a halogen bulb, as you are staring right into it.

At this point it lifted about six feet from the ground and then disappeared horizontaly along the side of the hill and up into the air, it was cloaking itself as it moved. By the time it got over the Bonnybridge Road it was high enough for me to see it again.

I followed it skyward, where I saw were three stationary black crafts waiting for it. By this time my UFO appeared like a crescent moon. The crafts were there and gone in the blink of an eye. Like turning off a Halogen light!.

I fell asleep immediately afterwards and woke up to a rollicking from my parents for moving the linen-box over to the window. I was soon moved back into the front room, because I wouldn't stay away from the window.

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Circa 1968:

During the summer of months of this year I was aware of something around me. It was a very hot summer and the air felt electric. When it was thunder and lightning outside, my father would accompany me into the back bedroom to watch the lightning crashing on the skyline of the Ochil Hills. Most often in this neck of the woods we get fork lightning but this year we had what my dad called "Wall Lightning". I had never seen it before. I loved it. I begged to be allowed to swap back rooms again and by September my father was beginning to relent, but my mother stuck to her guns, I'm really glad she did!. That Winter we had the worst wind I can ever remember.

The wind had caused cars to upturn on the road, garbage bins and garden huts were flying through the air like projectiles. The glass on the windows was beveling in like it was plasma. One of the most terrifying moments, was what sounded like an explosion and a vacuum.The doors in the house that were closed, blew open, the ones that were open blew closed, the loft door blew right up through the roof. The chimney landed in the garden.

My father who was in the bathroom at this point checked the damage. If he'd been in his bed he would have been killed. If my mother hadn't been through in the front room with me she would have been killed and if I had been given my own way and moved back into that bedroom, I would have likely died. The shattered glass from the window was embedded into the bed mattress and covered the length and breadth and depth of it.

Circa 1969

It was around Easter when I was allowed to move back into that bedroom again.

There was no linen-box.like I had used as I stood by the window to look for my UFOs. One night, as I watched out the window I saw around seven of them. They were approximately 9 inches to a foot in diameter. They appeared yellow/gold/orange in colour. Each appeared like a small sphere of energy as they came rolling over the field, then over the railway line, then the dark park, from the Bonnybridge direction.

The spheres bounced along the back of the houses. Some spheres were actually popping through the windows of the houses. I watched for the entire time. I was not scared, I was just excited and wanted to be part of it.

At the time, I couldn't tell my parents about them. I knew that if I had told them, I would then have to move back out of that bedroom to the one I had just left, so I decided not to say anything at all.

It was not long after that night that I was wakened by the sound of the cupboard door in the bedroom being opened. It had a slight but distinct squeak because of the new thick carpet that had been put in.

My fathers' prized fishing tackle was in this cupboard because it was too good to be left outside in the hut.

In the tackle amongst his gear, was a jar of sardines. I think he used them to catch salmon.

I heard the lid on this rusty jar being turned. I was lying as still as a mouse as I watched a "grey" alien being walking out the cupboard, wiping his mouth with the back of his hand. He was very surprised to see that I was watching him. I wasn't really scared, my heart was racing but no fear. I then with "a matter of fact" attitude asked it out loud what it thought it was doing stealing my fathers sardines?

Not getting the guilty reaction one would expect to get, I received a telepathic "matter of fact" reply from it. It made me aware that the sardines had been in the jar since last year and they were easy for it to digest. It's mouth was so narrow it was only wide enough to slide the sardine into it. The grey had only small teeth.

I told it, it would get me into trouble because my father would blame me. The grey then told me it would get into trouble for doing what it was doing if it was caught.

At this point my father came into my room and asked if I was okay. He thought he heard me talking in my sleep. At the instant the door started to open, the grey turned into a faint glowing sphere of light, and it took itself under the wardrobe . It then went up behind it and to the ceiling, to the very corner or the room.

I could still see it up there, with my father in the room now. I knew if I pointed it out to him, it would only have popped through the ceiling and disappeared.

My father left the room and for what felt like ten minutes passing the orb/alien remained up by the ceiling. The light finally started to come back down to ground level. The alien grey then reappeared and put its finger to its mouth, it spoke telepathically to me again and it thanked me, for not speaking of it to my father. It said that because it was the only one stealing, then it was accountable for the stolen sardine. It would have had to show itself to my father for the deed, rather than me take the blame.

I told it, it was okay but it said it would have to leave. It said that it had something to do and its energy sphere wouldn't be active long enough to get it back to its ship. The grey then said that they were only allotted a charge long enough for them to complete their tasks, with a short excess to ensure return.

The grey asked if it could call again and I said yes. It told me it would be able to stay longer if I left a window open for it, so it wouldn't have to expend any energy passing through the glass.

It also asked if could I leave the cupboard door slightly ajar and if I would sit the sardine jar within easy access for it. It wanted the jar left at the top of the fishing bag rather than the bottom of it, because of the fishing hooks and flies.

I told it I still wasn't to keen to agree to this because I knew I would get the blame for the missing sardines.

It said it had to go now and that if I wanted to see it again, I was to just leave the window open.

I did as it had asked and I left the window open every night.

It was four nights later that the grey came back. This time I was aware that there was more of them. There were three of them in the room, all wanting a whole sardine.

I wasn't linked telepathically to all three, only the one which was pretty friendly with me.

That grey made the other two greys aware that there was a price to be paid for the sardines.With their spare energy they were to take me on a flying trip over the fields and over the local area.This is what I had asked for and wanted.

I remember the incident clearly. It was like a triangle of glowing/light orbs, holding me up like I was on an invisible flying carpet. I don't think the entire ride lasted more than ten minutes before I was returned to my room again..

After that, things were going great as far as I was concerned. I knew that if I gave them something that they liked, they in return would be kind to me.

I was still concerned about the missing sardines but it assured me not to be worried about it.

It was about a week later and fishing season was imminent. My father came into the room and went into the cupboard to retrieve his fishing gear that had been in storage for many months. I was right along at his side and all wide-eyed as I watched him look into his open bag. He was taking inventory of all that he had and contemplating over what he would have to restock.

Suddenly the the bag disintegrated round the bottom of the sardine jar. The sardines fell straight through and the jar smashed on the wooden floor of the cupboard. Floats, reels, flies, hooks, etc. all landing on top of the oily mess.

For all the time that I had worried about getting into trouble over the missing sardines, for all the excuses I had considered (I was even ready to say I had eaten them myself), it was all over in a second.

My father now had more to worry about than noticing his sardines were short. The oil they were in seeped all through the floorboards and came through the downstairs cupboard ceiling and the walls. My mother - being an extremely house proud person, went ballistic. It was not just over oil but it was stinking fish-oil.

She demanded the fishing gear be moved out to the hut.

That night I could hear the metal garbage-bin lid being moved.

Cats often tried this but couldn't, the buckets were too heavy for a cat to tip on end. A large dog may be able to gain access to the contents by this method but there was no other things that I knew about "creature-wise" that could lift the lid, hold it up and rummage inside while then placing the lid back down.

I took a walk down to the rubbish bin first thing the next morning. There were no sardines left at all in the bin, only broken glass.

I continued to have occasional telepathic contact with that grey that was friendly with me.. The contact not only happened during the night, but it sometimes occurred during the day.

During one of the occasions that the grey made contact with me, it asked me to get my mom to buy sardines from the shop.

I then had to convince my mom that I really liked sardines. I was asked how I knew I liked them? She had never bought them before and she was still ready to blame me for my fathers jar of sardines that made a mess in the cupboard. I knew she thought that I must have been tampering with it.

I told her I had tasted sardines at my grandmother's house. Not really believing me, she bought a tin at the market and opened them up for tea or supper, (the only problem was.. I hated eating them). I managed to force two sardines down before I wanted to throw up.

My mom put the rest of the sardines on a plate and then in the pantry. She mentioned that my father would probably eat them when he came home or for breakfast the following day, and I was told to never to ask for them again.

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« Reply #2 on: Jan 14th, 2014, 3:20pm »

That night I was aware of someone in the cupboard. It was the grey again. It came up to my window and spoke telepathically, saying that these sardines weren't the right ones.

I considered the difference, the ones in the tin were prepared for human consumption with added salt/brine. The fishing bait ones were in something oily and also had its whole head intact.

It was a week later during the night and I saw the spheres return again.

They were hovering over the Roman Fort field. As they came towards the houses. As I watched the orbs, I noticed a silhouette of someone standing on the hillside. They stood there on the far edge of the park, not moving. As the spheres passed directly over him, I could now make out his features. It looked as if the whole scene were a photograph in full graphic colour. It was all so detailed and vibrant.

I was to see that face of the figure that stood there.. again.

That night, I was aware of being abducted.

The grey at the bottom of my bed was asking if I was really sure I was ready to go. It was then at this point that I noticed a tall dark form standing to the left of the grey. It was about 6 1/2 ft tall.

For the very first time, I was scared of what I was facing. This being's eyes frightened me. The eyes did have pupils and it seemed intelligent.It never communicated to me or the greys while in the bedroom. Outside in the darkness of night, this being looked like the grim reaper, as so many have portrayed.

This being was now getting impatient at my indecision. It began scolding the grey for bringing it to me.

I quickly decided to say yes to it, so as to not get my friend in trouble.

I was transported horizontaly right through the big pane of glass. I heard it pop behind me and I was forced into an upright position. Then a column of purple-neon light began to surround me.

I asked my friend the purpose of this, he replied that it would kill off germs and correct my temperature to very low.

By the time I arrived at the doorway, I felt like I was freezing.

The greys removed my pyjamas and replaced them with a lilac lurex tunic. It warmed me up immediately, and it also made me feel like every cell in my body had a smile on its face.

During a naked examination, the lilac tunic had to be put back on me because I was very cold and every cell felt as if it were freezing again.

They kept asking me my name and I would tell them. I began to think that they were testing my level of consciousness by asking the question over.

They removed my tunic and once more I was relatively unaware or "numb" to it all.

They then began to do more testing on me and I started to freeze again..

The greys put the tunic back on me. It was just like a zap. It was instant to occur. My friend (the grey) was now back at the table again.

The tall one that had been there had left, but there were two more tall ones doing tests of my sample. It was on some sort of computer type machine that they did this. My friend (the grey) said he wouldn't be seeing me again and they were done with me now.

I cried at this and asked it why, when it had asked me to come up to his home to play games with him, to share his food with him. I had done with him what was asked, yet I had not been allowed to do any of what was promised.

The grey went away and asked the tall being if this would be allowed. It was granted by the tall being and I was taken to what could be described as a space no bigger than a closet.

I was told to be very quite and to listen for a bell, then there would be food brought. The grey would accept it and then give it to me.

He explained it would look like a small tablet of that would appear made of plastic. I asked what was this? He said it was his food. He explained that all the nutrients that his body needed were contained within.This was why he had no need for much of a stomach, this was also the reason for a small bowel system.

I joked with him and asked "Then why have you such a fat belly"? He replied by telling me that thatwas where his lungs were.

It then told me I could imagine any food that I wanted and this sellotape thin tablet, would be whatever I wanted it to be. I was to just to put it into my mouth and hold it flat between my tongue and the roof of my mouth. I was also to keep the thought of the food and concentrate and enjoy the food until the tablet dissolved.

I tried to keep the thought of food but lost it almost immediately. The tablet turned into what felt like sand, in my mouth as it slowly dissolved.

The grey took me back to the examination area and I got back up on the table. The big alien approached and told me that I would be leaving soon. I asked for a drink to wash down the food I was given, and I was given water. Not much water though. It was only about 2 ml worth. After that, the two lab-technicians approached with an apprehensive gait. The big alien seemed to be having a heated discussion with them.There were lots of questions fired at me from the big guy,

What was my fathers name?

What was my mothers name?

What was my name?

They told me that I couldn't be who I thought I was and did I have another name. I told them I was sure about my name. I explained that I was christened in a church and on visiting weekly, people would speak my name.

This is when I picked up on the conversation between them. I could overhear one saying that I must be one of the adopted.

They now wanted to return me immediately. My friend said to me to remember my name on the journey home. When they try to return you home, they must have a 100% submissive person, for them to be able to wipe the mind's memory of the encounter..

I kept singing my name over and over again and they couldn't break through, though they tried. They told me my name was THELMADONNA. They then told me to stop being so willful. I continued to sing my name aloud. They eventually told me I would pay for being so willful.

They knew my favorite chocolate bar at that time was Cadbury's Milk Flake and told me that it would be harmful to me if I ate this bar before morning.

I thought I was being so clever, thinking to myself there is no way there could be one of those chocolate bars in the house anyway. The ice-cream van had passed long since and there was no chocolate bought.

To my surprise after I was returned home, my favorite uncle unexpectedly came to our home at 2.30AM. He had just arrived from his two hundred plus miles journey.

He came into my room and I awoke, as he came over to the bed. I was taken back a little as he handed me a Cadburys Flake bar. I immediately realized that this was the bar that the aliens told me not to eat.

My Uncle tried to encourage me to open it then and have a bite, but I was stubborn to my word and I said I would wait until morning.

He then asked what I'd been up to, as my pyjama top was on back backwards. He sorted it straight and I put the chocolate under my pillow. I soon went back to sleep.

The next time I woke it was broad daylight outside. The windows shone the light of day.. so I made straight for the chocolate and ate about half of it. Suddenly the light went out and it was still dark outside.

I was shocked. The light that shone in was not a light..but a lit sky. The greys had tricked me. It wasn't morning, it was dark as night still.

One week later I had a massive-middle ear (puss-filled boil) infection, which when flushed- produced a foreign body. I got a row from my parents for poking things in my ear though I hadn't.

The flush or the poison also poured down the back of my throat and hit my liver like an acid.

It was burning so much I was sick. Three weeks later I had full-blown Type 1 Diabetes.

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 14th, 2014, 3:21pm »

Circa 1970:

During the summer month of June, there appeared a UFO over the playground of Easter Carmuirs Primary School. There were many children on the playground practicing for sports day.

The UFO looked like a doughnut-shaped cloud about 100ft of the ground. Trailing down from it looked like a rope that was flailing around, until it connected with the ground then it took on the appearance of a straight laser light and solid.

The end that hung hit the ground for about 30 second and quickly the grass started burning.

The UFO changed in a flash to what looked like an elongated diamond in shape and appearance. In a blink of an eye, the craft split through a clear-blue sky with shocking speed. Instant speed.

It was now two weeks later and it was summer vacation for me for school holidays.

At around 8.30 PM, I was playing on my bike over by the railway line. I was riding on the dirt track that was there. I was basically doing what cross-country BMX bikers do. It was a pre-BMX bike that I was on. It was a ladies Raleigh junior without the proper suspension and not meant for the way I was treating it..

It was very very foggy out as I hit a big bump on the track. It spun the handlebars so that the handle was facing me like a spear. The bike hit the ground with an almighty thump and I hit the handlebar of the bike. It felt like it had rabbit-punched me in the liver.

The impact knocked the wind out of me and I couldn't inhale, I couldn't even scream. I did lay there thinking I'd not long to go because I still wasn't breathing.

Out of the fog came a figure, he breathed life back into me. He picked me up and carried me up from the track, over the Sand Hill, down the park, over my garden fence and lay me down on the grass under the kitchen window.

He was the man I had seen in the silhouette on the crest of the Sand Hill before.He told me his name was Michael.

He went up to the door and knocked. When the handle turned to open it, Michael simply disappeared.

My father found me lying there flat out, thinking it was a diabetic fit he tried to sit me up. When in the upright position, I threw up a projectile vomiting. I was in agony then, I couldn't breathe again and my father was frantic. He was calling on my mother to assist him. They carried me inside with them still thinking it was a diabetic related condition.

I was trying to lift my T-shirt to show the damage from my experience but my arms were too weak.

After about ten minutes of lectures for letting my blood-sugar get too low, for being on my bike in the fog and for everything under the sun..it turned out to be not the case.The testing showed that I was fine and my blood-sugar levels were not the problem.

I managed to lift the T-shirt and show them the bruise, a perfectly round magenta colored bruise.

My father then asked where my bike was and I told him it was still over by the tracks.

He then asked How did I get back to the house? I told him Michael carried me.

He never questioned who he was. We had a few Michaels stay close by. But this Michael, my Michael, was not from around here.This was definitely the same person I had seen in the silhouette the first night I saw the glowing globes.

I was confined to the house and garden for about two weeks, even my legs felt weak from the bruise to the liver.

As I remained inside, I would watch out over the park and see my friends running about. I wanted to get back outside to play with them, but I couldn't lift my legs high (without pain, a cramp in the liver)to get them over the fence.

One particular day later that summer, it was hot out. It was too hot to be outside. I went upstairs to the back bedroom of the house, just looking out the window. The neighbors had a sheet metal walled garage, which would buckle and creak in the heat.

When you looked at it would shimmer as if going to revert back to its liquid stage, I had planted a Rowan tree half-way down the length of this garage about four years before this and by now it was about the height of a man. It was quite spindly on this particular day. It was then that I saw a figure the size of a grown man, lurking behind the tree. It saw me watching and instantly melted into the garage wall. Before it could I saw it. I looked right at it and it looked for a moment like a mercury man. It was all chrome or very reflective like made of polished metal.

I hurried as fast as I could to get back down the stairs. It is something that would normally take me 30 seconds, but for some reason..it took about 5mins.

Outside, I made my way to the door of the garage. I saw a flash as I rounded the corner, and it looked like it came from the neighbors back-door and went to the other door into the garage.

I went in the top door and began shouting, "Come out, I know you are in here"!

There was no reply, so I quickly went in the bottom door.I saw a figure lying on an old sofa. He was trying to hide his face. He was trying to get me to go away. I asked him who he was, he said his name was Michael. I asked," My Michael"? but he didn't acknowledge.

He said he was starving asked if could I get him something to eat? I said, no.

I asked him again who he was. He said he was my neighbors son. I said no that he couldn't be.I said if you were their son, describe to me details of his parents bedroom .The man of the house had been a ships captain and had ships in bottles and compasses. He told me the name of the ship in the biggest bottle.Although I'd never heard mention of this son, he described to me something only what I thought a son would know.

He said again he was hungry and would I get him something to eat and drink.

The heat in the garage was suffocating, I thought I would oblige, as I was thirsty from being stifled in there too. I went to get some snacks and drink and returned ten minutes later, but he was gone.

I was annoyed, I had made a big effort and was exhausted and he didn't even bother to wait for it.I looked up into the sky at the back of the garage and saw a flash again.

When my neighbors returned from work that evening I asked them about their son Michael, as I'd never heard them mention him before. I had known them all my life and they were now quite elderly and the couple had three grown up children. They told me that they did have a son called Michael, but he'd been killed the year I was born. It was a Motorcycle crash 400 miles away, that took his life.

So, I started to think again..What was this that I had seen? If I hadn't seen the bright streak of light leaving the couple's house to the garage, I might have settled for the explanation of a returning spirit/ghost. It could be explained as Michael's spirit returning to his parents. The way it all happened made me think that it could have been an extraterrestrial going into the house, to gain the knowledge of the neighbor's circumstances. All the things Michael had said about the boats and compasses, even down to who he said he was, could have been gained from the parents house.

My conclusion to this was that it was made to appear to me that I had encountered the spirit/ghost of Michael. I didn't buy into it as a spirit would never have asked me for food and drink. A spirit would just have de-materialized in front or me or before I even got there. I do not think that a spirit would have looked so exhausted in the heat.

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Circa 1971:

It was a balmy autumn night in late October. By this time in my life, I was aware of having had alien abduction experiences.

I was still in contact with someone telepathically. I had asked how I would be able to observe, but not be taken?

I was told, when I heard/feel the vibration, I am to sit on the ground at the top of a rise that is looking down on the area that me and my chums were playing games on. I was told that I would have to bring my knees up to my chest, lay the palms of my hands and the soles of my bare feet firmly on the ground, and to breathe very shallow, so that my vibration was not detected by them.

It happened and I watched the sky as the humming got louder. I saw something blackout an area where the stars were, as it came rolling past the park and continued towards us.

My friends were silenced from the whole experience. I could still hear them, for a few seconds. I then stared into the dark. I tried to estimate the size of the blacked out rectangular area and I reckon it was at least half the size of a UK football field.

The rectangle craft passed directly over the top of my friends and I. I could no longer see them, it was like a dark curtain. The color of the night came down and everything went dark, so dark that I could not see much.

It felt like a very long time before I heard the voices of my friends again. The true time that had passed was nearly fifteen minutes. Just as I saw them coming from the darkness, the object in the sky took a different shape, as it veered off to the left and upward it looked like it had morphed into a triangle UFO.

My friends were not aware of anything actually happening and I do remember all my friends that were taken.

The group was Charlotte, Anne, Denise, George, Crawford, Jean, Joyce, Marie and a few others who I was not so familiar with.

Charlotte and Anne were late mothers not having their first child until nearly 40. Marie,Joyce,Jean and George have all died from cancer. Crawford is infertile.Denise is brain-damaged due to a genetic illness that wasn't discovered until months after my sighting. Marie and Jean died from breast cancer. Joyce died from Systemic Lupus Erythmatosis and George died from Pancreatitis.

Crawfords parents also witnessed the large sphere of orange light that was bouncing in this same park, some two decades later,about 15ft from where I had sat that evening.

Circa 1973:

As children, we were quite adventurous. A group of us used to take a short cut under the canal using the railway tracks. It took you up to the woods and no traffic of any kind could access this area. It was a hiker's area.

We used to play hide and seek there and this particular day I elected to be the watcher. The watcher would be the person who would lookout for parents coming to get their children. You could see them coming from far enough away, to give ample time and notice. All the kids would have enough time so they could scramble out the woods and back along the track. Any child that had to leave would end up sitting, and playing quietly in the sand pit by the time their parents reached the crest of the hill. Thus limiting any consquences from the parents.

This day when I was watcher, I saw two energy spheres bouncing along the track. When they came through my side of the tunnel, they were now two grown men. They both had what looked like lumberjack shirts on and dark-blue denim trousers.

They inserted a long drill like object into the banking along the side of the railway. It was at one of the areas that was made up from tiny cobblestones, like a fine dry-stain dyke, very compact.

The two men seemed to be searching for some kind of mineral. It was the first time in my life I had heard the word Silicon.

They took what they had found and walked back along under the tunnel. They were talking as they went right under me but I couldn't make out what they were saying. I watched for them appearing on the other side of the track tunnel but they never did.

I then saw a friend approaching and I thought he would be caught by the adults, but he just walked right through having seen no one under the tracks. The place was deserted.

Circa 1974:

Walking along the canal from Ochiltree Terrace to Loch 16. I was strolling along the canal with my friend. It was around midday and it was a muggy but clear/sunny summer day. The air was buzzing it was so thick..

My friend and I were discussing what we were going to do and we were making plans. We were going to put up a tent in his back garden. He was a believer of UFOs and ET as much as me, but had no recollection of any experiences.

We had been discussing whether or not we would be lucky enough to catch sight of any UFO that night.

Just at that moment as we walked along at a leisurely pace, we were suddenly aware of a humming that was getting louder.Looking at each other, we turned our heads toward the definite noise source. We saw two dark clouds, each about the size of a car traveling at an almighty speed along the opposite side of the canal.

The UFOs hovered above two factories (Tar Works and a Fish Meal Processing Works). The stink and effluence running into the canal at this point was breath-catching. At this point in our journey we were usually running past the stretch, but that didn't happen this time.

We stood transfixed watching these "clouds" when suddenly we heard the roaring thunder of a jet approaching. The clouds became agitated and it was that fast, that we couldn't understand the physics of what happened.

The shapes went from being clouds to a grey/silver metal triangle. The UFOs took of from the other side of the canal. Once they crossed the canal and were above the houses, the metal of the crafts looked almost ice-like. At this point the crafts began a very fast rate of assent.

It looked like they shot through into another dimension. They did not just hide in another cloud, they just "popped" through the atmosphere. The distance it took for these crafts to do this, is estimated to have been no more than 40 feet on the horizontal and 60 feet in height.

It was immediately after this that a real jet passed overhead. It was military and it was definitely chasing them.

The fighter was so low to the houses that the roof tiles were jumping and shaking. Very soon after that another two jets followed. They made their way in the same direction as the lead jet. They disappeared towards the River Forth.

My friend had not only his first sighting of a UFO, but his first sighting of jet aircraft. He said they were U.S.A.F. jets.

Our ears were so sore we couldn't hear each other speak, and our eyes were popping out of our skulls. We about turned and made our way home. I think this gave my friend a real big fright, he cried that day and we never spoke much of UFOs for some time.

His mother had never seen him in this state since he was a very small child. She heard the jets but never saw the UFOs.

My friend was the tough guy in the local neighborhood and able to handle any trouble that came his way. He got such a shock that it was something that he couldn't handle

Nearly thirty years later he asks me one day, if I still see UFOs? The answer to that is I never saw another one there after that.

I moved away from the area in September that year and have since scarcely returned.

I asked the same question to him, he replied with a matter of fact, "Aye still seeing them".

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THELMADONNA,

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR YOUR SHARING THOSE EXPERIENCES...

I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER YOU THINK TELEPATHY MAY BEEN A COMMON THREAD WITH WHAT TOOK PLACE...

I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL THINGS "THOTH" wink

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Your appreciation is acknowledged but not required. I am only here for selfish reasons.

Telepathy seemed to be how my friend communicated with me mostly. I did hear him using a click type language with others of his ilk. I also was aware of a colour change from night and day. During the night he looked grey, but during the day playing on the hill, he looked light green, nearly the same as the grass.

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 14th, 2014, 10:03pm »

Thelmadonna, when you would see the bright colored lights around the homes that were near your house did anyone else in the neighborhood also witness them? I mention this because I believe that some people such as contactee's and abductees are either predisposed or may simply have a built in radar(implants?) to pick them up. Others who frequently see them may simply have a gift. It might even be genetic!

I'm not talking about mass sighting events like Phoenix but more like what you describe. Over the years I've read accounts similar to yours that seems to be viewed in a broad spectrum of colors. Any thoughts? Dan

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« Reply #8 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 12:05am »

Hi Thelmadonna, interesting account. Do you recall a tall dark shadow like person ever come out of a closet and stand over your cot or bed, or at anytime you tried to get away from them it would be like running through syrup making every move you made become slow motion? Reading your account is like viewing my own life memories that I managed to suppress until the abduction on the A70. The orbs on hills still visit that area and I have watched them from the sherdales as well as at RAF Lucars and the jets and helicopters still chase them. Another question, when being steriliesed in the light did you notice the bacteria and parasites leave your body and look as though they were magnified? I personally do not have a clue how it works Dan but you just know where and when to look and you talk to them with your heart and mind and what I mean by that is the thoughts appear to come from your chest or abdomen and flow up through your head. Thelmadonna did you ever try to avoid them as a child, I used to wait until my parents went to bed then get out of the house to a cave system that went deep underground then sit in the dark until morning but alas the council back filled them in the sixties for some odd reason. It would be interesting to find how many suffered your fate in the fifty’s and sixties, I know of at least five children six including you.

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on Jan 14th, 2014, 10:03pm, GForce wrote:

Thelmadonna, when you would see the bright colored lights around the homes that were near your house did anyone else in the neighborhood also witness them? I mention this because I believe that some people such as contactee's and abductees are either predisposed or may simply have a built in radar(implants?) to pick them up. Others who frequently see them may simply have a gift. It might even be genetic!

I'm not talking about mass sighting events like Phoenix but more like what you describe. Over the years I've read accounts similar to yours that seems to be viewed in a broad spectrum of colors. Any thoughts? Dan

I am not sure if any humans saw any, the local dogs were aware, they would howl like they were in pain.

There were a couple of mass sightings aout a decade after I let. There were questions in Parliament, also reports in The National and Local press.

I seem to hae been able to do most things that are classed as Paranormal

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« Reply #10 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 10:52am »

So true Thelmaddona hence why I keep so many big dogs inside the house, ok the barking drives you nuts but they see what we don’t so good warning system something is around. Are you talking about the Bonybridge sightings?

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on Jan 15th, 2014, 10:52am, hyundisonata wrote:

So true Thelmaddona hence why I keep so many big dogs inside the house, ok the barking drives you nuts but they see what we don’t so good warning system something is around. Are you talking about the Bonnybridge sightings?

Yes indeed, those were the ones that came a decade or so later.

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on Jan 14th, 2014, 3:49pm, ZETAR wrote:

I'M A BIG FAN OF ALL THINGS "THOTH" wink

I wonder where the Emerald tablets are and also are they complete?

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THELMADONNA,

MY "THOTH" IS THAT THOSE {EMERALD TABLETS} ARE COMPLETE...MUCH LIKE THE {ARC OF ZION}...WAITING FOR THAT SPECIFIC>>>COSMIC FREQUENCY<<< TO RELEASE SUCH POWER...IMH..."THOTH" cool

THEY SAY...CAREFUL OF THE "TIME WELL" ONE STEPS IN rolleyes...MOREOVER...THERE IS A (R.S.V.P.) AND NOT HAVING THE RIGHT CODE...SEEMS TO PROVIDE A NUMBER OF DIMINISHING RETURNS...JUST AN "OBSERVERS VIEWPOINT" THAT IS.

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« Reply #15 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm »

Thanks Thelmadonna for your amazing and enjoyable account! I liked the sardines story, felt weirded by the 'figure' who later turned out Michael (to my thinking immediately associating with the biblical Angel of same name), and worry about all the health problems you suggest relating to UFO contact, for yourself and some others around you.

Well told all around. At times I get a sense of a dreamlike quality of the events (although realizing you report a waking, conscious experience), as if these aliens operate in a very different realm, obeying a very different set of rules.

Is it fair to say your Greys aren't too bad a sort? They do cause havoc though, upsetting the normality of life. Weird folk doin' weird stuff. smiley

Have you formed an opinion concerning the UFO/alien experiences you had? And regarding the alien entities you seemed to have encountered? Why did it happen to you, what purpose is served by these happenings?

Thanks for sharing,

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« Reply #16 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 2:50pm »

Lot going down near and in bonybridge Thelmaddona, spent many a night up at the roman ruins watching and had a few interesting sights but nothing ET. One such incident was a convoy of arctic trucks that looked as though they where driving along a road that was a dead end so I went and had a closer look only to find they had driven onto the railway track and where following it, unlike America etc you cannot drive on rail lines here. I followed them as far as possible and found the start of a large underground facility that in turn led to my run in with MIB and boy are these guys thick as mince lol. This brings me to my next question have you had run-ins with the government or military + MIB such as dark windowed range rovers and helicopters filming you etc.

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« Reply #17 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 3:07pm »

No not to my knowledge Hyundi, but it was on Park land next to the old Roman Fort site.

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on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

felt weirded by the 'figure' who later turned out Michael (to my thinking immediately associating with the biblical Angel of same name),

I would concur. I think THoTH, Hermes and Michael are one and the same.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

At times I get a sense of a dreamlike quality of the events (although realizing you report a waking, conscious experience), as if these aliens operate in a very different realm, obeying a very different set of rules.

Is it fair to say your Greys aren't too bad a sort? They do cause havoc though, upsetting the normality of life. Weird folk doin' weird stuff. smiley

They have no Empathy with us,only workers,like a conscripted army, some good guys,some bad guys.working their bit.For their end.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

Have you formed an opinion concerning the UFO/alien experiences you had? And regarding the alien entities you seemed to have encountered? Why did it happen to you, what purpose is served by these happenings?

They do try to find your spirit,to catch your soul, they,like us they cant see it, it isnt tangible, they are unable to complete this task. It wont stop them trying though.

on Jan 15th, 2014, 2:21pm, purr wrote:

Thanks for sharing,

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« Reply #19 on: Jan 15th, 2014, 5:54pm »

Like everyone else I would like to thank you for sharing your most remarkable story and experiences.

What can one really say upon hearing a story of such an involved and bizarre nature?

As you probably recall and others here know I often use Dr Vallee's models when approaching the ufo enigma and it's related events. When dealing with so many of these cases the apparent similarities to ancient lore and occult experiences can be remarkable. Are these space aliens here to look us over or 'something' else ?

From what you have said and the nuances involved in your tale/experiences the first thing that popped into my mind was the writings of Nigel Kerner in his book Song of The Greys. You may have read it and his second book also.

His premise is that the 'aliens' are here to 'steal' our 'souls'.

If you are familiar with his book it might give you some insight into your experiences if it's a model that seems valid to you.

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 10:18am »

Dr Wu I am not a well read person bookwise. The only two books I have read was Mc X by Malcolm Robertson that I bought in a charity shop a year or so, mainly for its Bonnybridge,Falkirk,Grangemoth Triangle connection.

The other was a study of the history of Pine Gap from its simple ballistic days to the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile days.

The only ET related films I have seen was ET and Close Encounters.

I have read thousands, if not tens of thousands of reports. I have read about most American projects from Aurora, Grudge, Sign and all along the way.

Sorry if I am a tad late with response.

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« Reply #21 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 1:24pm »

Welcome Thelmadonna. smiley

When exposed to these "things", it leaves a person thinking outside of the box.

What is your opinion concerning these beings, (true) friend or foe ? What do you think is their agenda ?

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 2:38pm »

The one I interacted with seemed friendly enough. It didn't seem to be overjoyed at being away from home so long, it wanted to be home with his family, like I said earlier,it sounded like conscription,

Their objective was unclear other than them harvesting eggs and sperm. I am unsure if they did this to me. I was very little when they first started taking me.

I know they weren't pleased to be called Alien.

They also said they wouldn't interact with us until they had an Embassy on equal footing with Earthly nations, flags and all,

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 4:32pm »

on Jan 16th, 2014, 2:38pm, thelmadonna wrote:

I know they weren't pleased to be called Alien.

They also said they wouldn't interact with us until they had an Embassy on equal footing with Earthly nations, flags and all,

Honestly how can they expect an Embassy without first making contact? Granted they have had some limited contact at least through abductions. I would be curious if they've had at least some contact with world leaders or groups of people such as the early Egyptians, Mayans or other Indian tribes. My belief...guess is that they have had some interactions and limited contact.

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« Reply #24 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 5:07pm »

I think they have made contact with leaders before. I think the stories of Ike in the desert are true.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_q.htm

I also was shown them blowing down the walls of Jericho with sonic laser-like weapons.

It sounds impossible but I think I was taken back there to see for myself.

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« Reply #25 on: Jan 16th, 2014, 5:16pm »

on Jan 16th, 2014, 5:07pm, thelmadonna wrote:

I think they have made contact with leaders before. I think the stories of Ike in the desert are true.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_q.htm

I also was shown them blowing down the walls of Jericho with sonic laser-like weapons.

It sounds impossible but I think I was taken back there to see for myself.

I believe that too! I think Ike was the first who met with them although I think both FDR and Truman knew about them. As for the sonic like laser weapons? Very possible. In some ways it sounds like HAARP. If the USA recovered down spacecraft and reversed engineered it HAARP could have come from such a craft.

on Jan 16th, 2014, 10:18am, thelmadonna wrote:

Dr Wu I am not a well read person bookwise. The only two books I have read was Mc X by Malcolm Robertson that I bought in a charity shop a year or so, mainly for its Bonnybridge,Falkirk,Grangemoth Triangle connection.

The other was a study of the history of Pine Gap from its simple ballistic days to the Intercontinental Ballistic Missile days.

The only ET related films I have seen was ET and Close Encounters.

I have read thousands, if not tens of thousands of reports. I have read about most American projects from Aurora, Grudge, Sign and all along the way.

Sorry if I am a tad late with response.

I understand, but if you can find the time you might find some insights in these two books.

Dimensions by J Vallee

Song Of The Greys by N Kerner

I'm not proposing that either book has the 'answer' but they both touch on aspects very similar to your experiences though they have different explanations as to the nature of the phenomenon.

I remain undecided about the true nature of this phenomenon and related events ,but it's clear that people have very strange experiences that cannot be easily brushed away as merely psychological in nature.

To quote a very interesting fellow by the name of Terrance McKenna:

"Is what we moderns have remaining to learn about the nature of reality slight and will it require only light fine tuning of our current way of looking at things; or do we understand very little , missing the point entirely about the nature of our situation in being?"

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« Reply #28 on: Jan 17th, 2014, 9:59pm »

on Jan 17th, 2014, 8:53pm, drwu23 wrote:

You'll have to argue with the Tesla conspiracists on that one since they claim HAARP was a direct result of Tesla's work.

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You're absolutely correct drwu! I had forgot about that.

Thelmadonna I have always wanted to ask this question so I will. If you had to chose only one...Would you now consider yourself an abductee or contactee? I realize most people are abducted first but given time I wonder what you consider yourself and experience.

Since I have no such experience I can only imagine that with multiple experiences and time comes a realization and an acceptance that allows communication. Those who are fearful such as an abductee would not be open to communication. Is my theory far fetched?

Dan

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« Reply #29 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 10:27am »

on Jan 17th, 2014, 9:59pm, GForce wrote:

Thelmadonna I have always wanted to ask this question so I will. If you had to chose only one...Would you now consider yourself an abductee or contactee? I realize most people are abducted first but given time I wonder what you consider yourself and experience.

I would consider myself to be an Abductee, no longer a contactee, or perhaps, they never found me after I had the first implant removed.

Dan

Your theory is right about the fear factor. Around the age of 15yrs I knew they would be back for me once again.When the dogs would howl I was terrified, I wouldnt sleep at all for nights on end. I would feel a buzzing in my right temple area. Not tinitus, nowhere near the ear canal.

I had an X-Ray in my 20's for an impacted wisdom tooth. The X-Ray showed a foreign object, a perfect triangle.

I was supposed to be totally unconscious but I heard the conversation at the point the diamond-bit grinder broke. The dentist said to the anaethsitist that he would need to get another one. When he left my side I felt the implant move rapidly down my bottom jaw. The dentist was back and asked outloud. Where did it go? Thats all I remember hearing.57 stitches later I woke up in recovery.

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« Reply #30 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 10:33am »

on Jan 17th, 2014, 9:15pm, drwu23 wrote:

I understand, but if you can find the time you might find some insights in these two books.

Dimensions by J Vallee

Song Of The Greys by N Kerner

I remain undecided about the true nature of this phenomenon and related events ,but it's clear that people have very strange experiences that cannot be easily brushed away as merely psychological in nature.

To quote a very interesting fellow by the name of Terrance McKenna:

"Is what we moderns have remaining to learn about the nature of reality slight and will it require only light fine tuning of our current way of looking at things; or do we understand very little , missing the point entirely about the nature of our situation in being?"

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

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« Reply #31 on: Jan 18th, 2014, 11:16pm »

on Jan 18th, 2014, 10:33am, thelmadonna wrote:

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

And I also don't mean to be disrespectful but simply by being here and reading these ideas and talking to others you are indeed tainting your thinking. No way around it, but as an intelligent woman you should easily be able to separate the two and not fall into a particular mind set...if you wish.

on Jan 18th, 2014, 10:33am, thelmadonna wrote:

Dr Wu I don't mean to be disrespectful, as an intelligent woman I decided at a very young age not to taint my thinking. No books, TV or films. I dont want to either, but I would chat to them if I met them.

The closest account of another abductee to mine was Urandir Oliviera. A Brazilian who was accused of being a hoaxter. I don't believe that. I reckon the only thing he was guilty of was being greedy!

Terrence is right, the human-being is capable of much, much more than credited with.

Hello Thelmadonna, with all the respect, if you were as intelligent as you say, you would know already that Urandir is a hoaxter. It's old news really. We all know here in Brazil that he is a liar.

Check this link please: www.ignaciodarnaude.com/revelacion_extraterrestre/Fernandes%20Oliveira,UFO%20contacts,Brazil,Gevaerd.htm

The information at this link should be more than enough to prove you that Jurandir is a hoaxter, and with all the respect, again, this not new for a long time!

Better luck next time rolleyes

on Jan 18th, 2014, 11:59pm, alvaroslash wrote:

Hello Thelmadonna, with all the respect, if you were as intelligent as you say, you would know already that Urandir is a hoaxter. It's old news really. We all know here in Brazil that he is a liar.

Check this link please: www.ignaciodarnaude.com/revelacion_extraterrestre/Fernandes%20Oliveira,UFO%20contacts,Brazil,Gevaerd.htm

The information at this link should be more than enough to prove you that Jurandir is a hoaxter, and with all the respect, again, this not new for a long time!

Better luck next time rolleyes

Hi alvaro, There's no question that some claims are hoaxes. I also think part of the problem with claims which make headlines like Travis Walton or even Bob Lazar is the inclination to embellish their story happens. Skeptics often wait for those changes in their story, additions to it to poke holes in their story. Rightfully so IMO. However there could be an iota of truth to anything. Since I'm not entrenched with the details of Jurandir's story other than a few things I've read I will say that some people may well relate to the claims. Maybe even had similar experiences.

I would not question thelmadonna's intelligence since you don't live in her shoes. If Thelma has had similar experiences that it's only natural that she would feel a kinship. Maybe she shares a common belief. Maybe it's a gut feeling. What Ufology boils down to is beliefs for most of us. Evidence is usually lacking in all accounts and reports, especially in personal experiences. Heck evidence is lacking period. If a claim can be 100% refuted then it's a hoax but it doesn't mean the claims doesn't resonate with someone else based on their belief or experience. My point is simply that we shouldn't question intelligence.

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« Reply #34 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 2:32pm »

I would like to say that I am not put down by your view Alvaroslash. Each to their own. I broached this subject with Bob Pratt when he was still alive. We spoke of the evidence that LMH had on Earthfiles. A four part piece dated 06/06/2003. I would repeat it here, but unless I want to subscribe, that is impossible. So anyone who has access, could they kindly post it. The evidence was never refuted as far as I am aware.

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« Reply #35 on: Jan 21st, 2014, 6:04pm »

Right back to business. I am bringing over a comment made by Chairman Meow from the welcome thread.

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Let us know what questions you have unanswered about your abduction..and we will give it a crack shall we?

And don't trouble your precious heart about dem septic bullies and trolls....we are lookin out for dem too..

Cheers!

and my answer to him

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I would like to know if when left with the word Cadmium, Did they mean their ships were made from it?

I have searched online and discovered this element can be shown as everything from Angel-hair, to gun-metal grey to halogen plasma and even green plasma.

Anybody got any thoughts on that?

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« Reply #36 on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 5:30pm »

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium

based on our current uses it would not be suitable for building any type of space ship though it has uses in batteries and other areas.

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« Reply #37 on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 10:58pm »

on Jan 23rd, 2014, 5:30pm, drwu23 wrote:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium

based on our current uses it would not be suitable for building any type of space ship though it has uses in batteries and other areas.

Interesting drwu. What if there was a way to use it in the body of the ship itself to store and transfer energy? While I don't know what kind of fuel would be needed to travel millions of miles across galaxies I would think any spacecraft would have limited space for fuel. Because we can't do it doesn't mean an advanced race couldn't.

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« Reply #38 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 02:28am »

Lots of ways it could be used for space ships WU, depending on what fuel if they use any or the transfer of energy it would be useful in a protective shield for the spaceships occupants when say mixed through plastic giving good radio active protection . You will probably find it in such things as the tiles used on the shuttle due to its anti corrosion and heat resistant properties, we still live in the muscle era where we need big heavy machines to push pull or thrust movement when for all we know ET might just be using a similar way to what Jules Vern used just a simple paint that pushed or pulled on gravity. If it is intelligent it will find the safest and easiest way to go from A to B without having to build ruddy great big jumbo jets etc you just have to look at nature that abundantly surrounds us to see that the transfer of energies happens constantly without the need for fuels or machines , there again they might not use it in the ships but use it as something else such as food?

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www.webelements.com/cadmium/

Table: basic information about and classifications of cadmium. •Name: Cadmium

•Symbol: Cd

•Atomic number: 48

•Atomic weight: 112.411 (8) [see note g]

•Standard state: solid at 298 K

•CAS Registry ID: 7440-43-9

•Group in periodic table: 12

•Group name: (none)

•Period in periodic table: 5

•Block in periodic table: d-block

•Colour: silvery grey metallic

•Classification: Metallic

Cadmium: historical information

Cadmium was discovered by Friedrich Strohmeyer at 1817 in Germany. Origin of name: somewhat confusingly, from the Latin word "cadmia" meaning "calamine" (zinc carbonate, ZnCO3) and from the Greek word "kadmeia" with the same meaning..Cadmium was discovered by Friedrich Stromeyer in 1817 from an impurity in some samples pf zinc carbonate, ZnCO3. He noted that these particular samples changed colour on heating, which pure zinc carbonate does not. He was persistent enough to follow this observation through and he eventually isolated some cadmium metal by roasting and reduction of the sulphide.

Cadmium: physical properties

•Melting point: 594.22 [or 321.07 °C (609.93 °F)] K

•Boiling point: 1040 [or 767 °C (1413 °F)] K

•Density of solid: 8650 kg m-3

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Cadmium: orbital properties

•Ground state electron configuration: [Kr].4d10.5s2

•Shell structure: 2.8.18.18.2

•Term symbol: 1S0

•Pauling electronegativity: 1.69 (Pauling units)

• First ionisation energy: 867.8 kJ mol-1

• Second ionisation energy: 1631.4 kJ mol-1

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Isolation

Isolation: it is rare that preparation of cadmium in the laboratory should be required bacause of environmental concerns about cadmium. The isolation of cadmium is associated with zinc recovery as cadmium is an impurity in zinc ores. Most zinc production is based upon sulphide ores. These are roasted in industrial plants to form zinc oxide, ZnO. This may be reduced with carbon to form zinc metal, but in practice ingenious technology is required to ensure that the resulting zinc does not contain oxide impurities.

ZnO + C ? Zn + CO

ZnO + CO ? Zn + CO2

CO2 + C ? 2CO

After this process, zinc may be refined by distillation under vacuum and this process also allows the separation of any cadmium present in the crude zinc.

The other type of extraction of zinc is electrolytic. Dissolution of crude zinc oxide, ZnO, in sulphuric acid gives zinc sulphate, ZnSO4 in solution. Before electrolysis to produce zinc, the cadmium impurity and is removed as a precipitate by the addition of zinc dust as cadmium sulphate.

www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/cd.htm

Cadmium - Cd

Chemical properties of cadmium - Health effects of cadmium - Environmental effects of cadmium

Atomic number

48

Atomic mass

112.4 g.mol -1

Electronegativity according to Pauling

1.7

Density

8.7 g.cm-3 at 20°C

Melting point

321 °C

Boiling point

767 °C

Vanderwaals radius

0.154 nm

Ionic radius

0.097 nm (+2)

Isotopes

15

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[ Kr ] 4d10 5s2

Energy of first ionisation

866 kJ.mol -1

Energy of second ionisation

1622 kJ.mol -1

Standard potential

-0.402 V

Discovered

Fredrich Stromeyer in 1817

Cadmium

Cadmium is a lustrous, silver-white, ductile, very malleable metal. Its surface has a bluish tinge and the metal is soft enough to be cut with a knife, but it tarnishes in air. It is soluble in acids but not in alkalis. It is similar in many respects to zinc but it forms more complex compounds.

Applications

About three-fourths of cadmium is used in Ni-Cd batteries, most of the remaining one-fourth is used mainly for pigments, coatings and plating, and as stabilizers for plastics. Cadium has been used particularly to electroplate steel where a film of cadmium only 0.05 mm thick will provide complete protection against the sea. Cadmium has the ability to absorb neutrons, so it is used as a barrier to control nuclear fission.

Cadmium in the environment

Cadmium can mainly be found in the earth's crust. It always occurs in combination with zinc. Cadmium also consists in the industries as an inevitable by-product of zinc, lead and copper extraction. After being applied it enters the environment mainly through the ground, because it is found in manures and pesticides.

Naturally a very large amount of cadmium is released into the environment, about 25,000 tons a year. About half of this cadmium is released into rivers through weathering of rocks and some cadmium is released into air through forest fires and volcanoes. The rest of the cadmium is released through human activities, such as manufacturing.

No cadmium ore is mined for the metal, because more than enough is produced as a byproduct of the smelting of zinc from its ore, sphelerite (ZnS), in which CdS is a significant impurity, making up as much as 3%. Consequently, the main mining areas are those associated with zinc. World production is around 14.000 tonnes per year, the main producing country is Canada, with the USA, Australia, Mexico, JApan and Peru also being the major suppliers.

Health effects of cadmium

Human uptake of cadmium takes place mainly through food. Foodstuffs that are rich in cadmium can greatly increase the cadmium concentration in human bodies. Examples are liver, mushrooms, shellfish, mussels, cocoa powder and dried seaweed.

An exposure to significantly higher cadmium levels occurs when people smoke. Tobacco smoke transports cadmium into the lungs. Blood will transport it through the rest of the body where it can increase effects by potentiating cadmium that is already present from cadmium-rich food.

Other high exposures can occur with people who live near hazardous waste sites or factories that release cadmium into the air and people that work in the metal refinery industry. When people breathe in cadmium it can severely damage the lungs. This may even cause death.

Cadmium is first transported to the liver through the blood. There, it is bond to proteins to form complexes that are transported to the kidneys. Cadmium accumulates in kidneys, where it damages filtering mechanisms. This causes the excretion of essential proteins and sugars from the body and further kidney damage. It takes a very long time before cadmium that has accumulated in kidneys is excreted from a human body.

Other health effects that can be caused by cadmium are:

- Diarrhoea, stomach pains and severe vomiting

- Bone fracture

- Reproductive failure and possibly even infertility

- Damage to the central nervous system

- Damage to the immune system

- Psychological disorders

- Possibly DNA damage or cancer development

Environmental effects of cadmium

Cadmium waste streams from the industries mainly end up in soils. The causes of these waste streams are for instance zinc production, phosphate ore implication and bio industrial manure. Cadmium waste streams may also enter the air through (household) waste combustion and burning of fossil fuels. Because of regulations only little cadmium now enters the water through disposal of wastewater from households or industries.

Another important source of cadmium emission is the production of artificial phosphate fertilizers. Part of the cadmium ends up in the soil after the fertilizer is applied on farmland and the rest of the cadmium ends up in surface waters when waste from fertilizer productions is dumped by production companies.

Cadmium can be transported over great distances when it is absorbed by sludge. This cadmium-rich sludge can pollute surface waters as well as soils.

Cadmium strongly adsorbs to organic matter in soils. When cadmium is present in soils it can be extremely dangerous, as the uptake through food will increase. Soils that are acidified enhance the cadmium uptake by plants. This is a potential danger to the animals that are dependent upon the plants for survival. Cadmium can accumulate in their bodies, especially when they eat multiple plants. Cows may have large amounts of cadmium in their kidneys due to this.

Earthworms and other essential soil organisms are extremely susceptive to cadmium poisoning. They can die at very low concentrations and this has consequences for the soil structure. When cadmium concentrations in soils are high they can influence soil processes of microrganisms and threat the whole soil ecosystem.

In aquatic ecosystems cadmium can bio accumulate in mussels, oysters, shrimps, lobsters and fish. The susceptibility to cadmium can vary greatly between aquatic organisms. Salt-water organisms are known to be more resistant to cadmium poisoning than freshwater organisms.

Animals eating or drinking cadmium sometimes get high blood-pressures, liver disease and nerve or brain damage.

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« Reply #40 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 08:33am »

DrWu I am swayed toward it being much more than just batterries.

1. Silvery Metallic Metal.

2. It can be found in cows. (perhaps a cause of cattle mutilations)

3.The areas it can be found in are all UFO Hotspots.

Scotland where I am from is not mentioned. That puzzled me. That is until I found the next 2 links

www.hmag.gla.ac.uk/john/huntmin/greenock.htm

Greenockite

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This very rare mineral is something of a Glasgow speciality. Most of the world's best specimens were found near here over a century ago. The Hunterian Museum has over 30 specimens, many of superb quality.

What is greenockite?

Greenockite is the mineralogical name for naturally occurring cadmium sulphide with a hexagonal crystal structure. The chemical formula is CdS. Synthetic forms of this material are used as pigments in some yellow paints, although due to their toxicity, this is rare nowadays.

What does it look like?

The colour can be various shades of yellow or orange. On fresh surfaces, it is very bright and lustrous, but becomes duller when weathered - much greenockite from the Glasgow area has a dull greenish-yellow surface tinge. The very largest crystals are around 1.5 cm across, but most are much smaller: 1-3mm would be more typical. Normally the crystals are not well formed, but are entirely enclosed in other minerals, especially prehnite or calcite, and are only seen when the material is broken. Good, well-formed crystals are found in cavities: these are usually hexagonal pyramids with a flat base, although flatter hexagonal plates also occur.

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How was it discovered?

Greenockite was first described by Jameson, and Connell, in 1840, who examined specimens found in a railway cutting at Bishopton, on the south bank of the River Clyde, a few miles west of Glasgow. However, it had been noticed earlier: a specimen had been collected in 1816, by Thomas Brown, but identified as sphalerite.

Is it named after the town of Greenock?

No. It was named after Lord Greenock, who owned the land on which it was found. Greenockite is one of the select band of minerals named after Scots or Scottish localities.Others include strontianite, caledonite, lanarkite, susannite, scotlandite, macphersonite, leadhillite, edingtonite, thomsonite, mattheddleite, and mullite.

What's the geology of this area?

Greenockite is found in Lower Carboniferous (Visean) basaltic lavas of the Strathclyde Group. These are mildly to moderately silica-undersaturated rocks, erupted around 340 million years ago. Ankaramitic rocks ("Craiglockhart Type" basalts) are a major component of the lavas in the Bishopton area. These lavas show extensive hydrothermal alteration, caused by hot circulating groundwaters during cooling of the lava flows, , and it was during this alteration that the greenockite was formed.

Is it valuable?

Soon after the first descriptions in 1840, specimens became highly sought after, and high prices were soon being asked for greenockites from this area. There must have been something of a roaring trade in the stuff, as most of the great mineral museums across the world have specimens of greenockite from Bishopton. A few specimens have also been found at other localities nearby, although Bishopton, seems to have been the only locality which produced large quantities of material. Crystallized greenockite remains an extremely scarce material, and good specimens are now rarely seen on the market.

Is it poisonous?

Cadmium is an extremely toxic metal, and eating large pieces of greenockite would have very serious, if not fatal effects. However, greenockite is also an extremley insoluble mineral under normal conditions, and so very little cadmium escapes into the environment through dissolution of greenockite. Although data on this are lacking, it is quite likely that the rocks around Bishopton are not especially rich in cadmium. Greenockite occurs there because special processes have concentrated cadmium which is normally dispersed through large volumes of rock at very low levels, into a few large grains. The formation of greenockite crystals may well have resulted in abnormal cadmium-depletion in the surrounding rocks.

Higher environmental levels of cadmium are found associated with some black shales, and with zinc orebodies. The latter almost always contain significant cadmium, and may give rise to serious pollution problems. (Another reason to not frack

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Where else is greenockite found?

Other Scottish localities inlcude:

Erskine; probably from an old quarry in the grounds of the current hospital (Meikle, 199*). This is only a mile or so from Bishopton. Only known from old specimens, some very fine, and all in the Hunterian Museum. The matrix of these specimens is rather different from the Bishopton material, being "ashier" and more porous.

Kilpatrick, on the north side of the clyde, opposite Erskine and Bishopton. This is where Thomas Brown found his specimen in 1816, almost 30 years before the species was formally described. This specimen is in the Hunterian Museum, together with much of the rest of his collection. No other specimens have been found since, to my knowlege.

Loanhead quarry, near Beith in Ayrshire. This active quarry is about 15 miles to the south of the other localities. Excellent specimens of thomsonite, prehnite and analcime are easily collected, as well as more exotic species such as harmotome, edingtonite and greenockite, and many more. Greenockite is extremely scarce, and the specimens are not as good as the Bishopton/Erskine/Kilpatrick ones.

Although the original Bishopton railway tunnel/cutting locality is not accessible now, greenockite has turned up in fair quantities recently, in spoil produced during the construction of the M8 motorway, very close to the original locality. Some large grains, and even some well-crystallised material has been found, as well as the exceedingly scarce cadmium carbonate mineral, otavite (Faithfull and Hubbard, in press).

greenockite is fairly common as a bright yellow powdery stain on weathered zinc-rich ores at Wanlockhead in Dumfriesshire. This type of occurrence is quite common else where in the world as well, but the crystals are sub-microscopic in size.

You can see Scottish greenockite specimens on display at the Hunterian Museum, and at the National Museums of Scotland, in Edinburgh.

Anywhere else?

Yellow powdery crusts of greenockite (and the similar cubic polymorph of CdS, hawleyite), are not uncommon where sphalerite is weathered, but macroscopically crystallised greenockite is very rare.

Localities inlclude:

Paterson area, New Jersey, USA

Arlington quarry, Loudon Co., Virginia, USA

Asunta, in Potosi, and other localities in Bolivia.

Silver Standard Mine, British Columbia, Canada

These have been lifted from the literature, and I haven't spent much time chasing up better info so I'd be very grateful for any information about these, or other sources of good greenockite specimens.

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« Reply #41 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 09:42am »

Colours of Cadmium

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_pigments

Cadmium Yellow, Cadmium Orange, and Cadmium Red

Isotopes of Cadmium are the three colous most often obseved in the phenomena called Orbs

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_cadmium

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_fluoride

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_iodide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_bromide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadmium_chloride

Cadmium chloride is also used for photocopying, dyeing and electroplating.

So not just batterries.

Its local through the central belt, I have quite a bit here on my land and what else is local yip good old ET in his UFO. You could be onto something TD , we know nothing really about UFO or ET and those that do claim knowledge are just blow hards putting forward a theory that most of the time holds very little water lol. Could be one explanation as to why et appeared to be doing soil and biological survey at the top of my land and abductions that have occurred in this area such as my own and others around the A70 could have been part of an examination project connected as ET wouldn’t know the victims did not live in the area. Just a shot in the dark.

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« Reply #46 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 01:19am »

Thelmadonna ! I am well pleased to read of your experiences and your replies to the posts ! Must be great to be 26 years old and to be intelligent ? I am 69 and still have a battle with it !

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« Reply #53 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:18am »

Question for Thelmadonna:

In all the 'visitations' have the 'aliens' ever left any actual forensic evidence? Any pics taken of them in or around your house...motion sensor information...independent eyewitness who happened to be in the area and saw these beings....any physical debris of any kind left behind by the beings ...anything?

I ask because after all these years of visitation by various entities no one seems able to come up with any actual physical evidence at all of the alien presence though we do get physical markings of apparent 'landings' in some cases. Does this imply really talented aliens or something else?

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« Reply #55 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:35am »

Apart from the alien implant/s I have had show up on X-Ray DrWu. No I have no tangible evidence. First one was in the right upper jaw. Second X-Ray showed up centre-front where you would describe as where a cleft chin would be, if I were a man. It is the one that moved during op, so same one x-rayed in two different positions.

HMMM...I GUESS WHAT GFORCE IS TRYING TO SAY...IS THAT IT IS UP TO THE READER TO DECIDE...WHETHER~FAITH~FACT~OR-FICTION...

MOREOVER,...WHEN DEALING...EMPATHIZING WITH ONES EXPERIENCE MAY PROVIDE QUITE A BIT OF DATA...

DOES ANY OF THE AFOREMENTIONED (EXPERIENCES/ENCOUNTERS/REVELATIONS) NEED TO BE VETTED...OBVIOUSLY...AT SUCH POINT...IT THEN CAN GO THROUGH THE COURT OF DIGITAL OPINION...

I'M NOT SURE CATEGORIZING ANOTHERS OPINION WHICH MAY DIFFER FROM YOURS AS "WEIRD" IS A CIVIL APPROACH TO AN INTELLIGENT EXCHANGE...MY MOD MANAGEMENT STYLE MERELY WANTED TO BRING LIGHT TO SAME...NOT TO STEP ON ANY TOES MIND YOU wink

Indeed, indeed, ZETAR, and to further reinforce your pearls of wisdom quoted (this might be of interest to both Alvaroslash and Thelmadonna!), all of us have sensitive toes of various length dangling precariously in the forums, with some of our stories (including my own) including the uh.. weird cheesy. Not the experiencers' fault imho: aliens appear to behave like (at times) total weirdos.

So personally I can empathize with Thelmadonna sticking with her guns, as far as direct, personal experience is concerned. We experience whatever we experience, and that's what becomes our reality. Can't argue against personal experience / reality!

But 'vetting', having experience pass through the 'digital court' is perfectly fine too, just like proposing alternate insights like Wu is doing! We must be aware though that this process may be painful and even threatening to an alien abductee, trying to tell their story.

To Alvaro: after reading your links I can agree there's a lack of evidence for Urandir Oliveira's claims. Axiom remains... absence of evidence does not equate evidence of absence. If the bedding/stones show no anomalies clearly linking them to ET activity, his account still can be true. Is there any link available proving him directly hoaxing a UFO report or committing any type of fraud?

Simply (for now) imo Thelmadonna could be telling her story as she experienced it, even if her favorite sources or reading materials turn out questionable. I agree with GForce one need not change one's beliefs due to problems with a source. Scientific proof is a whole other matter of course (and hard to come by in UFOlogy).

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« Reply #58 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 2:00pm »

It depends on what is classed as evidence WU, I know evidence exists that would keep science puzzled for many years but no doubt like all evidence that is positive it disappears and the results are only seen by a few. ET left a calling card in the form of damage that has many questions and I know the evidence still exists still untouched but it’s useless as no one is interested in proving the ET reality unless they get their palms well greased. TDs story without evidence is just a story nothing more but for those that have endured and suffered similar it is real as they have lived the evidence and relate to her suffering, its not a religion its comradeship. I personally believe her due to similarities and knowing the activity in the area and I can understand those doubting her honesty when they do not have similarities or know at least some of the background such as area or the high abduction reports in the area etc in fact there was one case fully investigated and evidence gathered by the police who no doubt still hold that evidence as the case was unexplained but do we see the science buffs asking for this evidence and having the forensic results looked at and lets face it you cannot get better than a police investigation, not a hope in hell its just all words and money making schemes. nothing exists for the likes of TD that will undertake a proper investigation but there are plenty of resources for ridicule so debating such cases is all a one sided argument, from what I have experienced and investigated then no doubt a scientific group with the right resources and support could simply prove this reality yet this never happens and the big question has to be WHY NOT?

ello alvaro, You can question and debate even dispute evidence. I never said you couldn't. However I don't want this or any other thread to evolve into a long debate about subtopics. A post/link or two on the merits of a supporting topic is usually enough. We could spend pages talking about LMH or Jurandir. IMO that detracts from this or any other thread, the same holds true for my post here. In other words WE get off topic. When we do that it usually kills the thread. So if you find something you believe is untrue or you have evidence that supports a different argument then post it. Members can read it and make their own minds up

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« Reply #60 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 8:56pm »

on Jan 25th, 2014, 11:35am, thelmadonna wrote:

Apart from the alien implant/s I have had show up on X-Ray DrWu. No I have no tangible evidence. First one was in the right upper jaw. Second X-Ray showed up centre-front where you would describe as where a cleft chin would be, if I were a man.

Did you have them removed and analyzed..?

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« Reply #62 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 11:51pm »

Thelmadonna,

Have you posted your story elsewhere? If so did you learn anything there that might help us to better understand?

on Jan 25th, 2014, 8:56pm, drwu23 wrote:

Did you have them removed and analyzed..?

First of I didn't know I had any. I went to the dentist because of pain. He diagnosed "an impacted wisdom-tooth". Second step- he took an X-Ray, which showed a perfect triangle, sitting around the lower temple area.Third step: an overnight stay in hospital. I was under anaesthetic, but I could still hear and feel the sensation of the grinder trying to grind this triangle out. I heard the dentist say to the anaesthatist that the grinder bit had broke and he would need to get another one. The second he stood back from the table I had the sensation that it had moved down my jawline. When the dentist went in to finish the job. He said to the anaesthetist" Where did it go"? With no more job to do they just stitched the wound up.

20 or so years later I was in a distant hospital (St Johns in Livingston)due to being badly burned. Above the morphine I was having horrendous toothache, they took me to the Dental Unit and on their laser X-Ray and a perfect triangle showed up on the lower centre jaw under the rootbed of teeth. I was to go into surgery three days later, to have all my teeth removed. I was discharged the night before. I was told to go to my own local hospital. A two year wait later and three dentists later, the day arrived. To be faced with an entirely new dentist. Before going through to surgery I reminded her of the anomolous object and could she keep it aside. Her reply was "I wont be digging for anything" So as far as I am aware it will still be there.

Thelmadonna,

Have you posted your story elsewhere? If so did you learn anything there that might help us to better understand?

The only place my story was posted was in The Book of THoTH Library. When it was closing my friend grabbed a copy which he posted on his blog. Sadly like here it seems, no one has provided any clarity to the Cadmium question.

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« Reply #68 on: Jan 27th, 2014, 6:46pm »

TD

I'm afraid that metalurgy isn't my strong suit. What little I am aware of has been posted by others so I doubt I can add to that.

One point does come to mind, with your prolonged contact history. At any point did you ask about the method of travel or did you just concentrate on the beings?

Very often we meet contactees that claim to have long term contacts with these beings that never seem to discuss anything more than small talk.

Thank you skizicks. I remember my E saying it takes 30 yrs of our calendar to get here and on their clock it didn't take very long.

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« Reply #70 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 09:29am »

on Jan 27th, 2014, 6:46pm, skizicks wrote:

'Very often we meet contactees that claim to have long term contacts with these beings that never seem to discuss anything more than small talk'.

And not just small talk but often absurd or meaningless dialogue.

Many 'contactees/experiencers' have reported that the 'aliens' say very odd things and in many cases have told people they are from Saturn, Venus, Jupiter etc...or even made up sounding names like Lanulos, Hoova, etc and yet at other times have used star names we do recognize.

Why lie to people about their origins since it's not like we are going to visit them anytime soon. Or for that matter why tell them anything at all?

Even after all of Whitley Strieber's contacts over many years (assuming one thinks his case genuine..) he's still no wiser about the origins of these 'aliens' and indeed has come to believe that they might not be from outer space at all.

He even asked them once if they could help him to be less afraid of them when they were around. The 'Grey leader' said they would try but that it would be very difficult. What does that even mean? Sounds more metaphysical and psychological in nature than an actual dialogue with a space alien.

As Vallee and others have said ,perhaps we are looking for answers in the wrong place.

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« Reply #71 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 12:49pm »

Thelmadonna,

Best wishes in your search for answers. I of course cannot give you any conclusive information about your experiences and I would be extremely wary of anyone on a UFO forum who claims that they can. I hope you find it helpful and beneficial to share your story and, again, best wishes with your search for answers.

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« Reply #72 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 1:30pm »

Topics related to a lack of available assistance from the mental health community, the scientific community and academia often arise during such discussions. I'd like to address some of that, please.

While it is true to certain extents that the UFO phenomenon and alleged alien abduction are less socially acceptable topics than many others, it is not entirely accurate that the communities mentioned above completely ignore the issues. As a matter of fact, many mental health professionals believe themselves to be experiencers, consider themselves UFO witnesses and similar such circumstances.

Mental health counselors can be found who subscribe to belief in alien abduction, while some others consider reports of alien abduction necessarily indicative of neuroses and/or mental issues - and all points in between. Supportive, therapeutic services can be found that fit what the client is seeking, but they DO have to seek it. It won't come to them, they have to find it.

About scientists and scholars... There is a wealth of material available from loads of qualified experts. Again, it ranges from Dr. Kary Mullis, a Nobel-winning chemist who reported events of extreme high strangeness experienced by himself and others at his California cabin (see Chalker, among other sources), to the work of such competent skeptics as Susan Blackmore and Stephanie Kelley-Romano.

Dr. Michael Heiser, at his blog UFO Religions, frequently cites and summarizes UFO and abduction related material presented by qualified professional scientists. As a matter of fact, he devoted an entire post to pointing out some research papers published - dozens of theses and dissertations - on topics ranging from UFO culture to ancient aliens.

Yet another good source for such material is the Society for Scientific Exploration website. It contains literally hundreds of reviews and rebuttals of work ranging from Vallee to Jacobs.

Just yesterday on Twitter, popular writer/researcher George Hansen posted a link to Fredrick Clark Bryan's 1998 Master's thesis, Aliens and Academics. Bryan composed it while attending Oregon State.

There is plenty of attention to the subject, folks. Funding and research projects are at a premium, but that does not change the fact that the UFO community perpetual claim they are ignored by science is simply not true. It's hyperbole and an exaggeration, as are much of the popular beliefs and material.

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« Reply #73 on: Jan 28th, 2014, 2:31pm »

Jj I can tell you that I was psychiatrically assessed when I was around 15/16yrs old. I was at that time terrified to go to sleep.I would try to go to sleep but was unable to. In a typical Scottish way I decided to do something about it and got stuck into a bottle of my fathers whisky. Oh I made myself comatose right enough, which ended me up in hospital, a charcoal drink, a dose of largactol and a Psychaitrist to boot. Not LoL. With the threat of a section into psyche ward I agreed to talk to the shrink.

The conclusion after tests, one of them being the "Rorschach Test" was I was sane, although the Psychaitrist had never seen a ufo himself. I told him which direction to look in the sky when leaving hospital in the evening. Within a short while (a week or two), he reported back to me that he and his son had observed something they couldn't identify.

Also I am not looking for ET answers. I already know about them. I am looking for Earthly answers. Thank You anyways!

Thank you for sharing.

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Circa 1961:

My earliest recollections of something being not quite right were memories of being returned to my cot, which I stopped sleeping in at the age of around two years old, so it was prior to this.

I remember being lowered into it, on a green aura and screaming with no answer from my parents who were lying in bed aside me. At this point I was raised again and stood on the floor at the side of my parents bed.

My mother awoke startled and puzzled as to how I was there. I hadn't yet learned how to climb over the top and I had been screaming for a long time.I had a raised temperature and she checked me all over for lumps and bumps, in case I'd damaged myself. She assumed I had fallen from the top of the cot barrier to the floor.

Other than being able to remember this event, I have no memory of alien contact. (I asked my mother about this when I was 14, she remembered it very clearly, it stuck in her mind because of the cot, she said the doctor had been called in because of the temperature and I was diagnosed with having middle ear infection. A thing that has continued to plague me off and on throughout my life.......(I will mention this condition later) .

Circa 1964:

I was about five years old when I swapped bedrooms with my parents and I once again was in the room where my first strange memory had me placed.

The view from the bedroom window was expanded enormously by my father.He moved the bed linen box to the window and put it just below it, so I could stand on top of it and see outside. I could see the sky-line of the ridge of the Ochil Hills, where my father would point out lights.

He was ex-army and he used to tell me how they were jets from RAF Kinross / Machrahanish. When the ones that were going too fast for him to explain, he would say it was "The Yanks".

The area in view was near a flight path, but what we were watching on some nights were chases. There were regular manned jets but there were also golden orbs of light. It looked like they were playing a game of Tig/Chase. My father only ever saw them at great distance, 30- 40 miles. The jets would zig-zag along and up the length of The Hills and collect and disperse the globes of light higher up in the atmosphere like they were herding sheep.

The globes would reach a certain altitude on the vertical and then they would look like the white ball just hit the colored balls at full force on a pool table and each sped of at a different tangent and then just disappear. My dad would then tell me it was time to go to bed.

He would move the linen box back to the bottom of my bed because it was too heavy for me to move. It didn't take me long to work out a way to get it back over to the window. I would empty the linen piece by piece onto the bed and move the box corner by corner to the window. I would sit for what felt like hours and the globes would reappear, only not 30 to 40 mile away. Sometimes they would appear, just like they could after being blasted by a cue ball. Usually just over the roofs of a nearby housing estate.

This was a regular occurrence as in yearly( for at least ten years that I can account for.It has been recorded by others in later years).

Circa 1967:

When I was around eight years old, I observed a sphere of light (about 40 feet diameter). It was floating 10 feet above the houses in the other housing scheme that was visible from my bedroom window. It was about 250 yards away and it just sat there pulsing, like a street light will do with a certain type of rain falling past it.So slight, but the pulse was visible just the same.

After about 5 minutes it seemed to be getting smaller but more dense, more vibrant. As it continued doing this it rolled over the roof and toward the ground as it went down to the park that divided my scheme from the one where it appeared.

The ball of light was now about 20 feet in circumference, bouncing about. The more it bounced, thrummed, vibrated, the more light,energetic and animated it became. It seemed like it took about twenty minutes to gain its peak.

It's colours were a fire-red flickering, like as in a fire within a peachy coloured sphere. Every now and then I would hear a popping sound. I noticed smaller (about 2 feet) spheres that were more dim. They dropped down through the big spheres circumference, like tail-less sperm entering an egg. As they did the colour would change slightly, looking less strong in colour. Some of the flame-like streaks then changed to a fire-yellow, and with more yellow than red visible, colored sparks began resounding. They sounded like distant fire-crackers within the sphere.

It was like they were being sparked off in the color-sequence of the rainbow, there was method to this sequence. I just remember it looked like an invisible gyroscope with colored halogen light strapped to it being spun in all manners of directions. With the pattern from it as it started to increase in speed, the tracers started to look like solid lines, creating patterns that resemble a Spirograph or many of the crop circles. Each colour individually forming its own pattern and after completion, it looked like it dropped into a vortex just below the centre. As it went through the rainbow sequence,

I feared that I would not stay awake long enough to see the purple, my favorite color. It started off as the palest lilac color and ended its sequence purple neon, while the green sequence seemed very urgent. It was as if it was in a hurry to get it over with. Still the yellow-flamed streaks of color within the sphere were getting whiter as the green sequence finished. The white level got to what could be described as, as bright as a halogen bulb, as you are staring right into it.

At this point it lifted about six feet from the ground and then disappeared horizontaly along the side of the hill and up into the air, it was cloaking itself as it moved. By the time it got over the Bonnybridge Road it was high enough for me to see it again.

I followed it skyward, where I saw were three stationary black crafts waiting for it. By this time my UFO appeared like a crescent moon. The crafts were there and gone in the blink of an eye. Like turning off a Halogen light!.

I fell asleep immediately afterwards and woke up to a rollicking from my parents for moving the linen-box over to the window. I was soon moved back into the front room, because I wouldn't stay away from the wind

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