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Post by moksha on Aug 18, 2023 21:32:47 GMT
Not sure what you mean by the Mussolini craft. Mussolini being the Italian fascist leader in WWII and he being thousands of miles from Roswell. I did watch the first three series of 'The Curse of Skinwalker Ranch' as it was called over here. But the fourth series hasn't been available to us yet. Pity, as I was really looking forward to it. I do find it very interesting. Often for the things they don't do as to the things they do. www.theblackvault.com/casefiles/the-ufo-files-of-mussolini-fascist-ufo-files-by-roberto-pinotti/Posted this in the D- DAY THREAD.
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 19, 2023 4:07:59 GMT
Hi Moksha, Hal -
I believe the "Mussolini craft" is a report about ufo tech in Italy from the 1930's. It was posted here on this site somewhere. An even older report that some may have forgotten or not privy to was the report of German ufo tech through the Vril Society during the 1920s-1930s... going so far as to claim a possible early attempt by Germany to send a craft to the Moon and even to Mars. I think the report said these attempts failed.
The Italy report came out recently. The Germany report came out in the late 1990s or early 2000s.
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 19, 2023 4:08:32 GMT
Ah I didn't see Moksha's last post
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Post by purr on Aug 19, 2023 16:30:07 GMT
The short answer to the 5 points wrong with the Grusch disclosures is that 1. the lack of evidence may be interpreted as a DIVISION of evidence, where substantive materials, like photos/docs deemed top secret have been made available to cleared members of the US congress in a closed environment. The rest is published in interviews and the UAP hearing. 2. David Grusch declining to take the video maker's call can be explained by his free choice of news/disclosure venues, the legal agreement with NewsNation (interview) and several meetings and hearings with Inspector Generals and Members of Congress. 3. Since the very nature of his complaint involves the allegedly improper handling of special access programs, and by extension secrets of state, he was required by law to be seek permission from the DoD Pre-publication Office. This would leave him free to publish 'approved' information, including for instance a pack of lies and nonsense, or do so under oath, in which case he must speak the truth under penalty of perjury. We now know David Grusch pursued the way of legal truth. If he lied under oath he faces jail time. 4. The provenance of Grusch narrative goes back to Senator Harry Reed's UAP research programs, including Deep Black layers of more secret and highly exotic programs some of which range outside of New York Times', investigative journalists Keane and Blumenthal's as well as David Grusch' purvue. One of these highly strange research programs, purportedly underlying the UAP investigations is the research at Skinwalker Ranch. This can be interpreted in two ways: 'Too preposterous to be true' and 'Preposterous yet true'. 5. The maker of this video's fifth thing wrong with Major David Grusch was that the Hearings had not yet taken place. By now they in part have, he expressed some faith that the official inquiry would bring us closer to the facts. Let's see how it goes... purr
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 20, 2023 5:49:19 GMT
Number 3 is an interesting twist.
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Post by purr on Aug 27, 2023 0:54:38 GMT
Number 3 is an interesting twist. The sworn testimony by reliable military first hand witnesses is a game changer for the public's understanding of UAP. This does not establish what UAP are. Just that they are not a figment of the imagination, but in effect objects traversing Earth atmosphere, and under intelligent control. purr
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 30, 2023 5:11:51 GMT
Hi Purr -
We are indeed into uncharted territory. For Grusch personally though, he is in a spot that I do not envy. If he's a good guy, it's completely dangerous... If he's a spook, then by going on record he can now be held liable if he is found to have perjured himself before a Congressional committee. Now if he goes against well, anyone, they can easily burn him. I hope he knows what he got himself into.
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Post by purr on Aug 30, 2023 12:58:06 GMT
Hi Purr - We are indeed into uncharted territory. For Grusch personally though, he is in a spot that I do not envy. If he's a good guy, it's completely dangerous... If he's a spook, then by going on record he can now be held liable if he is found to have perjured himself before a Congressional committee. Now if he goes against well, anyone, they can easily burn him. I hope he knows what he got himself into. Hi Cotes777, uncharted is the good word for it, I believe this is a unique moment in our 12.000 yr. leg of Human History because, a plethora of 'expert' and 'insider' predictions about UAP disclosure notwithstanding, the very nature of revelation (of secrets well kept) is a potential for ontological shock. Somebody or something is about to jump out of a festive cake shouting "Surprise!" and it may be immense fun... or not. Major David Grusch is the witness chosen by fate, his own dogged sense of duty, by the US Congress, and as you understandably wonder, perhaps by the Intelligence Services themselves, who by the time that a new wave of leaks, declassification and official disclosure was deemed inevitable, assessed this was someone that could be relied upon not to zealously trample all over America's national security. My take: Grusch is smart like that, a 'good guy' (in as far anyone can be good) yes, and also an effective 'Spook' when called to serve his country. This begs the question why, since this is becoming a major HEADACHE for everybody involved, didn't they neutralize, take him out of the equation while still integrated in the chain of command. I feel that too many watched him, and watched out for him and/or even some of those who stand to lose big time over his complaint and testimony liked him for being the least worst of the worst whistleblowers. Game ongoing... purr
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Post by cotes777 on Sept 1, 2023 13:43:30 GMT
Hi Purr -
I look at two people; Trump and Epstein. They are not the same but both high profile people who were/are targeted by the same power that holds the keys to the ufo answers.
They took out Epstein for all to see, and not one person did anything. Epstein was a threat to expose many dirty secrets. They have attacked a President of the United States repeatedly because he is against a global governance and against foreign powers owning so many American companies, ruling America by proxy. Trump threatens their plan to destroy America as we know it. I find it difficult to believe Grusch has more pull than Trump or even Epstein. I just don't know how the guy is walking around.
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Post by HAL on Sept 1, 2023 20:33:35 GMT
Maybe you should as the Pentagon.
They have just launched an ufo website.
(Or so I hear on the news)
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Post by cotes777 on Sept 2, 2023 3:26:59 GMT
What is nuts is that no one seems to even be aware of it! Just day to day people I come into contact with; I'd think at least one of them would mention our government acknowledging ufos or ET lifeforms. People's trust in government is almost zero, or it is 100%.
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Post by HAL on Sept 2, 2023 11:49:57 GMT
What is nuts is that no one seems to even be aware of it! Just day to day people I come into contact with; I'd think at least one of them would mention our government acknowledging ufos or ET lifeforms. People's trust in government is almost zero, or it is 100%. Most people simply are not interested. And if it doesn't directly effect their lives, why would they be ?
Whether the Government is going to raise their cost of living or their car is due for repair is of more direct importance that whether there are things on/from other places roaming the countryside; unless they are thinking about illegals.
But very few people have an interest in our how our own tech works. They just want it to work when they need it.
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