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Post by nyx on Nov 9, 2019 22:53:13 GMT
You see opportunist does not really fit Lazar.
He did his “thing” in 1989 and stayed away from the public until recently.
He never changed his story, and he claims until just recent speaking engagements, he never made money from his story.
Only Lazar knows the real truth.
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Post by bonehead on Nov 10, 2019 1:51:57 GMT
Okay, I'll pile on. Like Purr and Flat Earth I believe Lazar is telling the truth as best he is able. I was around when his story first came out and early on saw a video of him telling his story. It is not just his sincerity that convinced me (which it actually does), but also the strange things that happened around him after he went public. He was shot at, spied on and had his phones tapped. He was arrested on trumped up charges. Why would these things happen to him if he was just a liar telling tall tales? What would be the point?
And, as Flatearth has pointed out, many of the technical details he has talked about correlate with what we know from many UFO reports. Things like rotating vehicles that bob and oscillate as if they are floating on water. These are details of a great many UFO reports from the distant past to the recent tic tac videos. Having read Paul LaViolette's book on Anti-gravity propulsion, his ideas dovetail with all of the above. I do not know where Laviolette got his info, but I suspect that he might have gotten at least some of his ideas from Lazar's story.
One more thing about Lazar, he has stated from the beginning that he does not care if anybody believes him or not. Most liars will go to great lengths to get people to believe them. Lazar always said, take it or leave it. Why do what he did when the whole thing did little more for him than severely complicating his life? And notice that he never pursued fame (which he could have if he wanted to) preferring instead to disappear into the woodwork. Those are not the acts of a story teller or attention seeker. If he is not that, then why did he ever tell his story in the first place? What did he get out of it? Given those facts, I find it harder to believe he is just making stuff up than that he is truly sincere.
Finally, I too agree with what Nyx says above. Just my two cents.....
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Post by nyx on Nov 10, 2019 17:53:30 GMT
Bonehead, thanks for your answer!
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Post by drwu on Nov 11, 2019 21:47:10 GMT
Lear post click on the attachment to read what Lear said just a sort while ago.... Attachments:
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Post by flatearth on Nov 11, 2019 23:00:23 GMT
Thanks for posting, drwu. After reading Lear's comments, it's clear that he is not taking issue with Lazar, but rather is saying that the book is inaccurate and obviously not written by Lazar.
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Post by drwu on Nov 12, 2019 18:13:11 GMT
Thanks for posting, drwu. After reading Lear's comments, it's clear that he is not taking issue with Lazar, but rather is saying that the book is inaccurate and obviously not written by Lazar. Flat Which doesn't make much sense since Lazar surely must have authorized what;s in the book.....a bit odd...don't you think? Another reason for me why the whole Lazar tale is suspicious on many levels. And the book is clearly credited to Bob Lazar....when one looks it up. www.goodreads.com/book/show/43822273-dreamland
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Post by flatearth on Nov 13, 2019 5:25:26 GMT
Thanks for posting, drwu. After reading Lear's comments, it's clear that he is not taking issue with Lazar, but rather is saying that the book is inaccurate and obviously not written by Lazar. Flat Which doesn't make much sense since Lazar surely must have authorized what;s in the book.....a bit odd...don't you think? Another reason for me why the whole Lazar tale is suspicious on many levels. And the book is clearly credited to Bob Lazar....when one looks it up. www.goodreads.com/book/show/43822273-dreamlandWhile we may think Lazar should have authorized the book, it doesn't mean he did. Maybe he couldn't be bothered or had too much confidence in the author, but regardless, he shouldn't have allowed that to happen. Lear's comments don't appear to be directed at Lazar but rather at the author and promoters of the book, and so I don't think it reflects on the case at all. Flat
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Post by drwu on Nov 18, 2019 18:20:32 GMT
It's called an autobiography by Bob Lazar......quit apologizing for this guy.....it's embarrassing. ps: I tried to find out more info but all searches show his name as author and George Knapp who write the forward only. So...if Lazar didn't write it, who did..? And when I read the Lear Facebook stuff I did get the impression he was upset about the book and Lazar....but that's a matter of opinion I guess. btw they had a pic of this at one of the websites on him. As far as I know that is the only 'hard evidence' Mr Lazar has ever supplied...but as many have said over the years....anyone could get a blank copy of a w-2 and fill it in.
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Post by purr on Nov 24, 2019 22:09:31 GMT
It's called an autobiography by Bob Lazar......quit apologizing for this guy.....it's embarrassing. ps: I tried to find out more info but all searches show his name as author and George Knapp who write the forward only. So...if Lazar didn't write it, who did..? And when I read the Lear Facebook stuff I did get the impression he was upset about the book and Lazar....but that's a matter of opinion I guess. btw they had a pic of this at one of the websites on him. As far as I know that is the only 'hard evidence' Mr Lazar has ever supplied...but as many have said over the years....anyone could get a blank copy of a w-2 and fill it in. Well, DrWu John Lear is not a shy man, might well be playing the UFO information game as a contact sport. Guy is pointing out inconsistencies that may or may not be important, indicating that inaccuracies appear to exist in both Lazar's stories and the account by his (self appointed?) biographers. Not entirely inconceivable in a long and complex life like mr. Lazar's, you and I similarly will on occasion misremember parts and aspects of one's own life story. But I'm making a different point here. If indeed his account is honest and true in accordance with his recollection and conscience, the discrepancies with reality, the real history might be modelled as symptomatic of the extent to which his self-remembered life has been marginalized, even erased by a virtually limitlessly resourced nation state player. As first hand witness to the biggest secret the US ever had or will have, at the very least his academic and gov employment records might then have been manipulated to be able to portray him as total confabulist. But Wu, I am enough of a UFO nutter myself to consider the possibility that the secret US ET information managers used recovered/reverse engineered alien tech to tweak history in minute ways SO THAT WHAT BOB LAZAR SAW AND REMEMBERS never happened in reality (as we, the general public can know and remember). Final thought, I suspect this man is extremely lucky to be alive. There must have been a point in time when killing him would have been the cheaper and easier solution. The above is my personal conjecture, dealing with the possibility (this is my preference) that Lazar has been truthful, telling it as he saw and experienced events during his life. I do not exclude the alternative, namely that the inaccuracies/errors in his tale are indicative of falsehood, science guy bein full of it. I do not know... purr
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Post by drwu on Nov 25, 2019 22:15:00 GMT
It's called an autobiography by Bob Lazar......quit apologizing for this guy.....it's embarrassing. ps: I tried to find out more info but all searches show his name as author and George Knapp who write the forward only. So...if Lazar didn't write it, who did..? And when I read the Lear Facebook stuff I did get the impression he was upset about the book and Lazar....but that's a matter of opinion I guess. btw they had a pic of this at one of the websites on him. As far as I know that is the only 'hard evidence' Mr Lazar has ever supplied...but as many have said over the years....anyone could get a blank copy of a w-2 and fill it in. Well, DrWu John Lear is not a shy man, might well be playing the UFO information game as a contact sport. Guy is pointing out inconsistencies that may or may not be important, indicating that inaccuracies appear to exist in both Lazar's stories and the account by his (self appointed?) biographers. Not entirely inconceivable in a long and complex life like mr. Lazar's, you and I similarly will on occasion misremember parts and aspects of one's own life story. But I'm making a different point here. If indeed his account is honest and true in accordance with his recollection and conscience, the discrepancies with reality, the real history might be modelled as symptomatic of the extent to which his self-remembered life has been marginalized, even erased by a virtually limitlessly resourced nation state player. As first hand witness to the biggest secret the US ever had or will have, at the very least his academic and gov employment records might then have been manipulated to be able to portray him as total confabulist. But Wu, I am enough of a UFO nutter myself to consider the possibility that the secret US ET information managers used recovered/reverse engineered alien tech to tweak history in minute ways SO THAT WHAT BOB LAZAR SAW AND REMEMBERS never happened in reality (as we, the general public can know and remember). Final thought, I suspect this man is extremely lucky to be alive. There must have been a point in time when killing him would have been the cheaper and easier solution. The above is my personal conjecture, dealing with the possibility (this is my preference) that Lazar has been truthful, telling it as he saw and experienced events during his life. I do not exclude the alternative, namely that the inaccuracies/errors in his tale are indicative of falsehood, science guy bein full of it. I do not know... purr
It's always possible people can forget or change things over the years for various reasons but my problem with Mr Lazar is beyond simple memory changes. And I don't buy into the idea that the gubbermint has dome something to him, etc. He has never....never released anything that supports his tale. If he did have the education he said certainly someone must recall him or he cam recall someone..but we get nothing. No records show him at the places named and I simply don't buy the conspiracy idea he has been 'erased'. If he worked with this man he named why hasn't this guy ever come forward...where are all the others he must have met and worked with....etc..etc..? And for me the biggest aspect his why would the govt hire a 'secondhand' person like him to work on a top top secret project at a very secret base? They could hire just about any physicist or high level engineer they want yet they employ Mr Lazar to reverse engineer alien craft....? Really..? That makes zero sense in my book. I once considered the idea that he did work there as a 'janitor' or in some other low level maintenance job and after getting canned he made up the ufo tale. But sadly he has never admitted to that and continues to claim the other tale. To be clear I have no personal axe to grind here, but the simple fact he has never provided one iota of believable proof should make anyone suspicious of his tale.
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Post by nyx on Dec 1, 2019 1:24:03 GMT
The History Channel claims Area 51 would still be unknown if Bob Lazar had not spoken up.
Sgt. Jim Goodall claims while working with Bob Lazar in the early days at Sandia Engineering, Bob had zero interest in UFOs.
Capt. David Fruehauf, black bird pilot, claims that his buddies at Area 51 knew Bob Lazar well.
Fruehauf claims that Bob took JANET from Las Vegas airport, and at Area 51 he took a bus to S-4 to work on the UFOs.
Fruehauf and Goodall claim Lazar is telling the truth.
Lazar claims if we could understand the propulsion of the UFOs, this would change human history as we know.
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Post by flatearth on Dec 1, 2019 3:18:53 GMT
It's called an autobiography by Bob Lazar......quit apologizing for this guy.....it's embarrassing. ps: I tried to find out more info but all searches show his name as author and George Knapp who write the forward only. So...if Lazar didn't write it, who did..? And when I read the Lear Facebook stuff I did get the impression he was upset about the book and Lazar....but that's a matter of opinion I guess. btw they had a pic of this at one of the websites on him. As far as I know that is the only 'hard evidence' Mr Lazar has ever supplied...but as many have said over the years....anyone could get a blank copy of a w-2 and fill it in. Sorry for the long delayed reply but I didn't see the comment. This site doesn't have a notice of replies feature as far as I know. I basically agree with Purr, but I do also believe that Lazar didn't actually write the book. My belief is that "autobiographies" are typically written by ghost writers who work closely with the subject of the book. I'd wait to see more from Lear before concluding that he has split from Lazar. I'm sure there is more to come. And, please, don't be embarrassed on my account. I've done much worse. Flat
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Post by drwu on Dec 2, 2019 18:42:57 GMT
Maybe in time the truth will come out......but I don't think in the mean time one should hold their breath.
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Post by nyx on Dec 2, 2019 19:31:53 GMT
drwu,
Like you said maybe time will tell, but how do feel about the statement from the History Channel that Area 51 would still be unknown if it was not for Lazar?
I do not remember, but was Area 51 really unknown to the world until Lazar came along?
Anyone know?
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Post by drwu on Dec 2, 2019 22:06:10 GMT
No...from my understanding 'Groom Lake' (Nellis Test Range) was known by most everyone who lived in that immediate area.....no doubt some even worked there or relatives did....though it wasn't called Area 51 then. It;s been in operation since 1942.,...but obviously much expanded over the last 6 decades. The names like Area 51, Dreamland, etc came into being probably in the 70's or 80's from various ufo buffs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51Area 51 is the common name of a highly classified United States Air Force (USAF) facility located within the Nevada Test and Training Range. The facility is officially called Homey Airport (KXTA) or Groom Lake, named after the salt flat situated next to its airfield. Details of the facility's operations are not publicly known, but the USAF says that it is an open training range,[2] and it most likely supports the development and testing of experimental aircraft and weapons systems.[3][2] The USAF acquired the site in 1955, primarily for flight testing the Lockheed U-2 aircraft.[4
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