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Post by plutronus on Apr 28, 2020 3:11:03 GMT
Interesting Take on Covid-19 From ER Doctors
This is about an hour long news conference with two ER doctors from Kern County California, both educated and trained in immunology. They are actively treating and testing patients and have some interesting thoughts.
Google InterNet Censorship...
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Post by plutronus on Apr 28, 2020 6:17:24 GMT
Someone recorded the two Kern California Doctors who are anti-lock-down for the healthy rather than the ill video and has reposted it on YouTube. Don't screw around, watch it. Its an eye-opener re; the amount of BS we are being fed about this virus.
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 28, 2020 16:42:00 GMT
Its not a war on a Virus..unless you call Truth a Virus
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 28, 2020 16:45:52 GMT
UK’s Health System issues urgent warning about young kids and the coronavirus. Having no explanation why, some young kids develop a bizarre inflammatory syndrome to the coronavirus. This warning was sent out to all parts of the National Health System. Symptoms are like Toxic Shock Syndrome or like Lupus. It's more disingenuous fear porn Nyx..always look for the use of chidren as bait...they made the mistake of using Kawasaki Disorder ...not so rare..and seen in past influenzas..It read like an urgent plea from LMH ..if anyone has seen a drone..please contact me as soon as possible.. The script hasnt changed much
first the article note no numbers are given
UK’s Health System issues urgent warning about young kids and the coronavirus.
As yet, there have been relatively few serious cases of COVID-19 in children.
That doesn't mean that kids can't catch the virus – in fact, the youngest known case in the UK was only 30 hours old.
But based on the limited information available, the symptoms in children appear to be mild, or they may even be asymptomatic.
Experts warn for that reason that children may be "superspreaders" of the virus.
now the realitywww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26108000RESULTS: 1) The seasonal variations of the KD + Flu group, KD group and Flu group were similar. 2) The morbidity rate of incomplete KD was higher in the KD + Flu group compared with the KD group. 3) Patients in the KD + Flu group exhibited a longer time to KD diagnosis compared with patients in the KD group. 4) The KD + Flu group exhibited the longest fever duration among the three groups. 5) The CRP and ESR values in the KD + Flu group were higher those in the Flu or KD groups. CONCLUSIONS: Concomitant influenza infection affects the clinical manifestations of KD and can impact the laboratory test results and the diagnosis and treatment of the disease. However, it remains unclear whether influenza contributes to KD etiology. in a nutshell they are clueless
The rest of the main article contradicts its self
A study in the New England Journal of Medicine also said that "children might be less likely to become infected or, if infected, may show milder symptoms" than adults. Symptoms may appear similar to other respiratory illnesses, such as the flu and the common cold, but COVID-19 is said to more likely to trigger a cough and fever, researchers said. Experts say it's unclear why COVID-19 isn't impacting children as much as adults.
Especially because children's immune systems aren't as robust as adults and they tend to overreact. Dr Nathalie MacDermott, from King's College London, told the BBC: "You'd expect it to go haywire and it's not doing that. "There must be something this virus does that is not as readily stimulating the immune system in children, but what that is unclear. "They don't seem to be mounting a disproportionate immune response and some seem to be asymptomatic." www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-uk-doctors-reveal-rise-in-kids-with-severe-coronavirusrelated-condition/news-story/bed76b20afcb7ecd2d5d437ab3d8571c
Its the sort of thing nyx when one mixes apples and carrot juice..but even this is not palatable..and actually on a notice of urgency completely irresponsible.
on a sidenote
they just had a nurse commit suicide over all the bodies arriving dead to the hospital..not realizing Ambulances dont deliver dead bodies to a hospital..or they get minimal reimbursement..I worked at Blue Cross I know..I was stingy as they come.
still the silver lining is they run out of material to keep the popcorn machine popping along.
again..This is a war on Truth not a virus ..and all the channels it normally takes to travel..even your next door neighbors..let that sink in. |
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Post by swamprat on Apr 28, 2020 16:46:12 GMT
Even AOC wears an anti-virus mask!
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 28, 2020 17:45:39 GMT
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Post by purr on Apr 28, 2020 20:42:51 GMT
Someone recorded the two Kern California Doctors who are anti-lock-down for the healthy rather than the ill video and has reposted it on YouTube. Don't screw around, watch it. Its an eye-opener re; the amount of BS we are being fed about this virus.
Thanks very much Plutronus for embedding this vid. I watched a little bit, then a little more with a skeptical mindset (lots of bovine excrement splattering all over the internet dealing with CoV-2/COVID-19), and then was hooked all the way to the end! This is significant stuff imo!
The gist of these physicians' presentation is that their clinical experience of past months with COVID-19 coupled with similar experience of ER doctors nation/worldwide is that testing shows that the spread/contagion of Cov-2 virus is wider than realized, maybe because Corona 2 is more contagious than Seasonal Influenza/Flu. Making in their conclusion the emerging Infection Fatality Rate (number of deaths per total number of infected patients) fall below 1%. If true ones chance of dying from the viral illness COVID-19 is about the same as the risk from Flu. Also, the absolute majority (dr. Erickson mentioned a 95+%) of COVID-19 fatalities involves pre-existing illnesses contributing to such patients' eventual succumbing.
They say with the knowledge of today we don't need societal 'lock down', no sheltering in place for folks who are basically healthy with normal immune systems, and (with some caveats) no social distancing. (Distancing and isolation may, should of course be used to PROTECT those vulnerable people most likely to become ill, even die, such as the elderly, and having a pre-existing condition, especially of a cardiologic/respiratory/immune deficient nature!)
Plutronus: THIS IS CONTROVERSIAL INFORMATION. To be digested and considered with the greatest care. I would not recommend anyone to go against the protocols put in place by ones government. But if as genuine as factual as it appears to be, the intermediary finding of doctors Erickson and Artin could be integrated into the official theories and practices applied to combat CoV-2/COVID-19. By getting insight about how this virus works and how our body fights and adapts to it. (Naturally by exposure and developing immunity + Vaccination once feasible)
Seems to tally with Trump's (and many national leaders) instinct to start up the economy as quickly as possibly yet safely.
My take (very tentatively, there is so much info coming in) is that we should listen to the experts and our national leadership (allowing for differences between countries), and follow the Corona Protocol for ones region/state/nation and do so as a community. This is my version of Love of Country. Precisely as I would act in case of war with another country, just that our adversary happens to be a virus. I admit to not having a revolutionary bone in my body  .
That said, added insight as derived from your video into the science of CoV-2 (lots coming in from many sources) might be used to more effectively protect our families and increase personal survival chances. Knowing the enemy is a vital advantage in war: thanks for contributing to that knowledge.
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 28, 2020 21:22:48 GMT
Knowing the enemy is a vital advantage in war:
Yes purr..The problems been..and always was..we are the enemy in a managed camp... as even the whispers are reaching the sheeps ears the Caretakers have all but shut down the internet as FB TW YT fail to slow truth down....thats always an option..and then so what?.a true immunity always incorporates a second voice within..a third eye..that opens up when it can't ignore the obvious..
Understanding the obvious is essential for survival ..if you remain oblivious. Even gouging our eyes out will not help them.
My deepest regret..will be to not be there with the crowd that will put these monsters heads on a pike..How I envy them
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Post by purr on Apr 29, 2020 9:36:00 GMT
Knowing the enemy is a vital advantage in war: Yes purr..The problems been..and always was.. we are the enemy in a managed camp... as even the whispers are reaching the sheeps ears the Caretakers have all but shut down the internet as FB TW YT fail to slow truth down....thats always an option..and then so what?.a true immunity always incorporates a second voice within..a third eye..that opens up when it can't ignore the obvious.. Understanding the obvious is essential for survival ..if you remain oblivious. Even gouging our eyes out will not help them. My deepest regret..will be to not be there with the crowd that will put these monsters heads on a pike..How I envy them I agree, Sysconfig, we are the targets in an information war. Being 'managed' however is not entirely bad, has even silver linings not to say its 'thousand points of light' if you interpret it as being born (hopefully) as Citizen in a Democratic Nation of Laws, including some great rights and freedoms. Better than the alternative: residing in a rogue/failed state or ruthless dictatorship. Management implies a degree of negotiation, WE ALL GET TO PLAY A PART. And Plutronus' vid may well qualify as one of the "whispers" ... "reaching the sheep's ears". Strongly doubt it should have been removed/censored. I hope that on our site it falls within US Free Speech protections, so anyone viewing it (best not to skim through: worth for taking in in its entirety for full comprehension!) may be free to use it for bettering personal & family (& business) survival chances. I think I'll take your spike comment as a passionately applied metaphor. Also, I believe it prudent to 'work with' Management, be a well behaved sheep if you like, PLAY THE GAME BY THE RULES, and this in practice means I comply with the Dutch PM Mark Rutte (whom I voted for by the way  ) and his administration's instructions on how we as a nation, as all 'Nederlanders' shoulder to shoulder [gap between said shoulders 1 1/2 meters wide] must fight and overcome the CoV-2 crisis. There's better information becoming available (you and I are agreed on that) and I intend to use it for the well being of my fam. purr
P.S. I ALMOST FORGOT: when referring to knowing my enemy (in response to Plutronus' remarks and embedded video) I indeed meant Pandemic Viruses of high virulence and high contagion potentially threatening human survival. Imo this is a real existential threat against which so far Homo Sapiens and our more flatskulled forebears have come out the winners untold times for millions of years. But one day a virus migh hit on that ultimate lucky KO mutation... |
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 29, 2020 16:55:38 GMT
 Fauci says second wave of coronavirus is 'inevitable'“I’m almost certain it will come back. The virus is so transmissible and it’s globally spread,” Fauci said, noting that as cases in the U.S. stabilize, parts of the world like southern Africa are seeing an increase in cases.
thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/natural-disasters/495211-fauci-says-second-wave-of-coronavirus-is
“In my mind, it’s inevitable that we will have a return of the virus or maybe it never went away,” he added.
YA GOTTA...AT MINIMUM...QUESTION INTENT...IN LIEU OF THE ABOVE
SHALOM...Z
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 29, 2020 20:13:40 GMT
Im waiting for the vultures to "buy The Dip" ie buy up all those business properties and homes as well ...its the way of the world sadly......It was never about virus ..the attempt by UKs org on children I posted earlier to associate Covid to the Kawasaki Disorder seen in the swine flu was weak..but they unintentionally merely reinforced that is not dangerous to the vast majority of children and two..it is no more dangerous than the other flues. It's success with Elderly may serve to cull those dependent on their system..but generally they are not soldiers or active producers or workers.. Fortunately Purr you are still a Spring Kat..and have no reason for alarm..  ..but my point is here that these entities behind China and the US thrive on chaos..it hides their past and current activities..unveiling their fiefdoms even with Blackrock managing the stimulus $ whilst funding the schools like Oxford and Harvard..all Sinophiles..with joint business zones in China ...That was a skillfull move by Trump to do that..and putting Fauci in charge right next to him..oh dear..yes.....May will be the mother of all Mays..Maybe Maybe not...perhaps that is why Trump has been trickling what this vast corrupted landscape is and who are really the ultimate and seemingly unreachable puppet masters.and putting them within arms reach. Prayers for Tommi please.. In the meantime everyone.. Heed the words of the ancient elders well..keep your noses clean and REMEMBER! Cleanliness is close to Godliness :
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Post by SysConfig on Apr 29, 2020 20:28:47 GMT
Interesting the Wuhan Union Hospital about 900 feet away from that market and not as secure either.
also..statement by the You Only Live Once County Hospital
Sutter Davis Hospital is committed to providing high-quality care to the Yolo County community and beyond. We take this situation very seriously. We are conducting our own internal investigation, as well as working closely with county officials and law enforcement on the matter.
Update..Released and last seen leaving Jail on a Red Schwinn Bicycle (those are really great bikes)
The man accused of stealing a coronavirus test sample from Sutter Davis Hospital allegedly impersonated a CDC employee to obtain the specimen, according to court documents obtained by KCRA.
According to a motion to deny bail filed by the Yolo County District Attorney’s Office, Shaun Moore walked into the hospital posing as a “federal employee from the Center for Disease Control” and gave staff his real name. Moore allegedly said “he was there to pick up a sample of the COVID-19 virus.”
It just so happens that the hospital was expecting a courier that day from the California Department of Public Health to pick up a coronavirus sample. According to court documents, hospital staff thought Moore was that courier and gave the sample to him. They later got suspicious when they noticed he “left the area on a bicycle.” The staff’s suspicion was confirmed when “the actual courier arrived a few minutes later.”
The judge sided with Moore's defense and Van Zandt said in a statement: "Judge Rosenberg’s decision yesterday recognizes the fact that Mr. Moore, who is presumed innocent of all charges, does not pose a threat to the public."
Van Zandt (not connected to Van Zetar )added: "We are pleased that the Judicial Council of California has taken the position that the greatest risk to the public safety of all Californians at this stage is to keep in jail and prison only those individuals who pose a significant public safety risk to the public at large."
The judge decided to release Moore on “supervised own recognizance” with the following conditions: Moore must stay 100 yards away from Sutter Davis Hospital unless he has a medical situation, be supervised by probation and wear a GPS device.
In the documents, prosecutors also expressed concerns about the likelihood that Moore would not appear at his next court date scheduled for May 27, saying that he is homeless, suffers mental health issues and has a criminal history that includes theft, DUI and stolen vehicle convictions.
Not mentioned is the security in over 5K hospitals across the country..and just how are post CCPvirus test samples disposed of normally?
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 29, 2020 21:42:23 GMT
Im waiting for the vultures to "buy The Dip" ie buy up all those business properties and homes as well ...its the way of the world sadly......It was never about virus ..the attempt by UKs org on children I posted earlier to associate Covid to the Kawasaki Disorder seen in the swine flu was weak..but they unintentionally merely reinforced that is not dangerous to the vast majority of children and two..it is no more dangerous than the other flues. It's success with Elderly may serve to cull those dependent on their system..but generally they are not soldiers or active producers or workers.. Fortunately Purr you are still a Spring Kat..and have no reason for alarm.. ..but my point is here that these entities behind China and the US thrive on chaos..it hides their past and current activities..unveiling their fiefdoms even with Blackrock managing the stimulus $ whilst funding the schools like Oxford and Harvard..all Sinophiles..with joint business zones in China ...That was a skillfull move by Trump to do that..and putting Fauci in charge right next to him..oh dear..yes.....May will be the mother of all Mays..Maybe Maybe not...perhaps that is why Trump has been trickling what this vast corrupted landscape is and who are really the ultimate and seemingly unreachable puppet masters.and putting them within arms reach. Prayers for Tommi please.. In the meantime everyone.. Heed the words of the ancient elders well..keep your noses clean and REMEMBER! Cleanliness is close to Godliness :
SHALOM...Z |
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 29, 2020 22:16:30 GMT
COVID: two vital experiments that have never been done by Jon Rappoport
Why not? Because they would expose this vicious farce, the criminals perpetuating it, and end the lockdowns.
by Jon Rappoport
April 29, 2020I’m republishing this article, because more people are becoming aware there is something wrong—very wrong—with the “science” at the bottom of this fake epidemic.
For example, Dr. Thomas Cowan, in his recent popular video, described my proposal for a true procedure that would determine whether a new virus actually exists. If he contacts me, I have more ammunition for him.
All right, let’s jump in—
blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/04/29/covid-two-vital-experiments-have-never-been-done/
The claim of having discovered a new virus (COVID-19) is wrong (unproven).
And the claim that the main diagnostic test (the PCR) can determine whether a person is sick or is going to get sick is also wrong (unproven).
What seems to be true in the lab is not sufficient in the real world.
The first experiment would confirm or deny the accuracy of the PCR diagnostic test. The experiment would reveal whether this widespread test for COVID-19 can actually predict illness in the real world, in humans, not in the lab.
This experiment has never been done. It should have been done before the PCR was ever permitted to make claims about THE QUANTIY OF VIRUS that is replicating in a patient’s body. Quantity is vital, because, in order to even begin talking about whether a virus can cause disease, millions and millions of virus must be actively replicating in a patient’s body.
Here is the experiment. Assemble a group of 500 volunteers, some sick, some healthy. Take tissue samples from them, and give the samples to PCR technicians. The technicians will never see or know who the 500 volunteers are.
The techs run these samples through the PCR. For each sample, they report which virus they found, and how much of it they found.
“In patients 34, 57, 83, 165, and 433, we found a great deal of the following disease-causing viruses.”
Now we un-blind those specific patients. By the test results, they should all be sick. Are they? Aren’t they? Then we would know. We would know how accurate and relevant the test is in the real world.
Of course, this is not the end of the experiment. The same samples should have been given to a whole other set of PCR techs to run. Did they come up with the same results the first set of PR techs did?
Several new groups of 500 patients each should be enlisted, and still more sets of lab techs should repeat the experiment, ending up with confirmation or rejection of the initial findings. This is the way the scientific method is supposed to work.
In the absence of this experiment, the quantitative PCR must be looked at as a rogue hypothesis that should never have been foisted on the public in the first place. It should never be used as the basis for determining case numbers of any disease.
In the “COVID-19 crisis,” all case numbers derived from the PCR should be thrown out.
The second vital experiment concerns the discovery of a new virus—in this case, COVID-19.
First of all, there is no lab procedure that can climb inside the human body in real time and record the active replication of millions of virus. The closest you can come involves the use of electron microscopy.
Suspecting the existence of a new disease-causing virus, researchers should line up, at the very least, several hundred people who seem to have the new disease. Tissue samples should be taken from them. Using correct steps of isolating-purifying-centrifuging these samples, specimens of the results should be examined and photographed under the electron microscope.
In every one of the several hundred photos, do the researchers see many identical particles of a virus they’ve never seen before; and do the researchers see that these many particles are the same from photo to photo?
If so, and if more than one group of researchers independently carrying out this procedure on the patients’ tissue samples achieves the same result…then, this is as close as you can come to saying you’ve discovered a new disease-causing virus.
Other researchers with other large groups of patients should attempt to replicate the above findings.
This vital experiment has never been done in the case of COVID-19. Not even close. Therefore, researchers can’t make a true claim to have discovered a new disease-causing virus.
In the absence of the two vital experiments I’ve described in this article, all you’re left with, concerning a single “COVID-19” pandemic and a single new cause, are: anecdote, rumor, gossip, conjecture, speculation, bad science, and lies.
Plus the horrendous damage from all the consequences of lockdowns based on those lies.
 It’s essential to realize where the burden of proof rests. The scientists who claim to have discovered a new epidemic virus, and the scientists who claim their PCR can determine whether a person is sick or is going to get sick—THEY are making the assertions. THEY have to supply the proof.
“Oh, but it could be a virus, and the virus could be killing lots of people…” People saying this are caught in the trap, the COULD-BE trap. Yes, it could be a purple cow giving birth to a calf on Mars, who is then flown to China, where it infects seven bats in a dark alley in Wuhan, after which several people eat the bats…
If COULD-BE were science, the planet would remain locked down until there were no humans left.SHALOM...Z
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Post by moksha on Apr 29, 2020 23:55:54 GMT
Im waiting for the vultures
SHALOM...ZFEET CONFIRMED
YES?
I was surprised, the people on the stage, were not wearing feathers and dancing to,
YOU GOT YOUR NUMBER DOWN DUCK AND COVerID1984 .
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) and his administration's instructions on how we as a nation, as all 'Nederlanders' shoulder to shoulder [gap between said shoulders 1 1/2 meters wide] must fight and overcome the CoV-2 crisis.
..but my point is here that these entities behind China and the US thrive on chaos..it hides their past and current activities..unveiling their fiefdoms even with Blackrock managing the stimulus $ whilst funding the schools like Oxford and Harvard..all Sinophiles..with joint business zones in China ...That was a skillfull move by Trump to do that..and putting Fauci in charge right next to him..oh dear..yes.....May will be the mother of all Mays..Maybe Maybe not...perhaps that is why Trump has been trickling what this vast corrupted landscape is and who are really the ultimate and seemingly unreachable puppet masters.and putting them within arms reach.
