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Post by SysConfig on Jan 14, 2020 7:30:56 GMT
By Simon Chandler, a London-based journalist focusing on politics and technology The aliens have landed. For decades, this belief has been associated with cranks, but now a surprisingly healthy number of university-employed scientists and researchers are suggesting that aliens live among us, on planet Earth. Just because we can’t see them…
As unlikely as this may sound to firm believers in the infallible rationality of our highest learning and research institutions, numerous scientists do believe there’s a chance we may be walking among aliens. In fact, things are even weirder than this, because these same scientists believe that these aliens are ‘invisible,’ undetectable to our five senses and to conventional methods of detection.
Each year seems to bring a new subscriber to this steadily growing club, with the latest inductee being Helen Sharman. The first Brit in space and now at Imperial College London’s Department of Chemistry, Sharman told The Observer, “Aliens exist, there’s no two ways about it.” Uncontroversial enough, you might say, but the OBE (Order of the British Empire) went on to share her view that aliens could be on Earth right now. (recall Junkers reference to aliens in a speech he was laUGHED AT..
“Will they be like you and me, made up of carbon and nitrogen?” she asked. “Maybe not. It’s possible they’re here right now and we simply can’t see them.” Read more 1 Ancient aliens? NASA’s Mars 2020 mission landing site could contain fossilized signs of life Great, and Sharman certainly isn't alone among university scientists and researchers who entertain such beliefs. Back in April of last year, The Oxford Student newspaper ran a bizarre interview with Dr Young-Hae Chi of the University of Oxford. In it, Dr Chi revealed that he believes not only in invisible aliens living here on Earth, but in the theory they're interbreeding with humans in order to create a hybrid species capable of surviving the effects of climate change. Absolutely crazy, you might think, but Dr Chi went so far as to write a book arguing for such beliefs, titled Alien Visitations and the End of Humanity.
Dr Chi provides the most outlandish example of an alien-believing academic, but other, more respectable scientists have invested considerable time, effort and money researching the possibility of invisible aliens living among us. In 2018, Dr Gabriel de la Torre of the University of Cadiz published a paper in which he proposed that aliens may be living in dark matter, which pervades the entire universe (including the Earth) but which is unobservable.
He explained, “What we are trying to do with this differentiation is to contemplate other possibilities - for example, beings of dimensions that our mind cannot grasp, or intelligences based on dark matter or energy forms, which make up almost 95 percent of the universe and which we are only beginning to glimpse.”He’s not the only scientist who suspects invisible aliens may inhabit dark matter. In 2016, Dr Caleb Scharf of Columbia University's Astrobiology Center wrote an article proposing that dark matter is “where all technologically advanced life ends up or where most life has always been.” Others, however, have suggested that undetectable aliens might represent an alternative, ‘shadow’ form of microbial life. This is what Carol Cleland and Shelley Copley of Colorado University (along with other co-authors) proposed in a number of papers published from 2005 onwards
Let that Sink In
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Post by bonehead on Jan 17, 2020 18:12:13 GMT
Ah materialism - it is not the key to understanding everything, despite popular science believing it can. The first clue, came from science about 100 years ago. As quantum physicist Neils Bohr once said "Everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be considered real". So, there is that.
Then there is the positing of "dark matter". The belief is that gravity devolves from mass, and only material mass. So, then they could not figure out how the universe and things in it are being held together. Well, since the "glue" of gravity is believed to come from the presence of material mass, then the only thing that could hold stuff together is more mass. A whole hell of a lot more. Forget that there is no indication that any such "gluey" mass exists anywhere. So, the genius solution is that the mass is "invisible" but everywhere. No proof. No measurement to indicate such a thing exists. It is all taken as an act of faith. It is no different from any other religious belief: a strong belief in something that cannot be proven or shown to exist.
Personally, I think that the concept of dark matter devolves from a basic misunderstanding about the true nature of gravity. But then we are not talking about science now, but religion. Dark matter has become one of the basic beliefs of the rational materialist religion. If we remove the idea that gravity "must" devolve from material mass, then the mystery of the glue of the universe can be laid at another doorstep that requires no concept like the idea that 95% of matter is "invisible". That is a pretty nutty idea that is widely believed but completely unproven. Like I said, it is religion, not science.
So, it seems pure "genius" to suggest that the thing that we cannot wrap our minds around holds "alien" beings that we cannot prove exist either. Well, it is a nice circular argument that goes nowhere at all. I would suggest that some of those aliens they are looking for do not necessarily come from a material place. That is kind of what they are saying. But I think it is a little too wildly speculative to suggest one unproven thing by laying it at the doorstep of yet another unproven thing. That goes sailing right past religion and straight into fantasy land. Fairy-dust and unicorns, that is what we are talking about.
But lets just pretend its science! Genius I say!
Whatevs. Wake me up when they come up with something more sensible.......
Bonehead
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Post by SysConfig on Jan 19, 2020 8:42:55 GMT
The day I saw bacteria, which we can't see either, gingerly thriving on electricity and not photo or chemo synthesis...tells me there is room for much more in the unseen than the seen
earthsky.org/earth/scientists-study-bacteria-that-eat-and-breathe-electricityHe added that temperatures in the springs ranged from about 110 to nearly 200 degrees Fahrenheit (43 to 93 degrees Celsius). The research team was able to coax the bacteria out of hiding by inserting a few electrodes – electric conductors – into the edge of the water in the hot spring.
Thirty-two days later, the researchers returned to retrieve the electrodes, which had attracted the bacteria from the water. Mohamed and postdoctoral researcher Phuc Ha analyzed the results. Their statement exclaimed:
Voila! They had succeeded in capturing their prey – heat-loving bacteria that ‘breathe’ electricity through the solid carbon surface of the electrodes.
It sounds a bit like something out of science fiction, but it’s another example of how microorganisms can adapt to a wide range of extreme environments, using whatever resources are available for energy and as nutrients. whilst we don't consider these unseen organisms intelligent they indulge in the same pastimes we do...persistance control and dominance. They war
How bacterial predators evolved to kill other bacteria without harming themselves
and are subject to the whims of predators such the even smaller virii
and they don't need a honey zone yet can touch us..They operate on vast time scales than we do..near immortal...
That said..and its already "speculated" some hitched a ride on comets and asteroids passing thru the way pilot fish hitch rides on sharks...we might dismiss "intelligent" life foolish enough to intermingle with us, we can't dismiss an entire universe of life we can't see hiding in the open day as well as the dark already doing so.. speculation is no longer the realm of fancy , its a requirement ! due to the magnitude and level of persistance that life itself, however alien, takes. Even our simplest Ahhhh is the opening to a vast microcosmic replay of life and its players would you believe..right inside our own mouths ..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 13:22:18 GMT
Interesting thread. Our eyes can only see so much in the light spectrum.... I am inclined to believe that aliens live right amongst us and we cannot see them because they travel on a different frequency than humans more dense frequency. I am intrigued by the many reports of strange creatures that people report seeing.... and it always seems to be when they in some altered state of consciousness.... from driving for hours, which is like meditating for hours with the constant focus, or alone in the wilderness....away from the dramas of life that have to have our attention. I am also inclined to think they are not aliens from other planets, but instead creatures from other dimensional realities. Thought I would throw my two cents worth in....
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Post by bonehead on Jan 19, 2020 17:32:13 GMT
Hey Luvey, is that you? Sorry I have not kept in touch. How are you?
BTW, I agree with your assessment. And Sys's too!
Sys, I think what you are saying is that even microbes (microscopic examples of earth life) display consciousness. They don't have brains but they behave consciously. What does that say about the materialist religious belief that consciousness is the result of chemicals and hormones secreted from the brain? Oh crap, there goes another one of those religious beliefs........
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Post by nyx on Jan 19, 2020 18:02:59 GMT
Luvey,
You must be a kindred spirit, because I too believe that inter-dimensional beings check all the boxes.
I do not think this idea has ever gone over good here at UFOC.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 22:17:10 GMT
Hey Luvey, is that you? Sorry I have not kept in touch. How are you?
BTW, I agree with your assessment. And Sys's too!
Sys, I think what you are saying is that even microbes (microscopic examples of earth life) display consciousness. They don't have brains but they behave consciously. What does that say about the materialist religious belief that consciousness is the result of chemicals and hormones secreted from the brain? Oh crap, there goes another one of those religious beliefs........
Bonehead Hi Boney, yes its me... Two massive heart attacks later, I am still around.... hanging by a thread.... A number of years ago Ted had a video where a Medical Scientist discovered that bacteria communicate with one another... alas that video is no longer available on Ted. duckduckgo.com/?q=bacteria+communicate+with+one+another&ia=web Scientists have even discovered that plants communicate with each other.... To be alive I believe that everything must have a certain level of consciousness vibrating on its own frequency....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 22:36:30 GMT
Luvey, You must be a kindred spirit, because I too believe that inter-dimensional beings check all the boxes. I do not think this idea has ever gone over good here at UFOC. Hi nyx, nice to meet you.... Years ago BJ created a forum on UFOCB on this very subject, but sadly one member caused trouble and he deleted the forum. I think BJ, after many years of researching UFOs may have come to the same conclusion.... What I find interesting is how the aliens, if you want to call them that, are able to project themselves to your mind.... That happened to me way back in the early 2000s.... I was floated out through the curtains and glass of my bedroom window, and as I realised what was happening I sat up and I was promptly made unconscious.... I saw a small silver round UFO near the back of my home which overlooked a valley.... before I lost consciousness. I can still see in my minds eye that small tan looking very ugly being in a black robe. I have thought about that for many years, and I believe they are able to do that because their frequency is far less dense than ours.... so we are pretty much at their mercy. Their intentions though is what I question. That experience is why I joined UFOCB....searching for answers. I don't believe there is an 'out there'.... I honestly believe that everything exists in the circle of creation on different frequencies, and that out there is an allusion. I also believe that the whole universe is conscious and that is from experience.... A number of times I have sat outside and said 'where are you out there' and a star has flashed at me, one night a star flashed at me 4 times. So to me that means we are all connected with everything.... and that the whole universe is wrapped up inside of us.
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Jan 20, 2020 23:02:22 GMT
Luvey, You must be a kindred spirit, because I too believe that inter-dimensional beings check all the boxes. I do not think this idea has ever gone over good here at UFOC. Hello all,
I always thought it is a combination of several things; interdimensional, time-travel, actual aliens visiting, ghosts and Bigfoot.
A little like "Deep Space Nine" on drugs. It's just a theory.
Crystal
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Post by nyx on Jan 21, 2020 2:50:39 GMT
Crystal, you are probably right, maybe a combination of things.
Luvey, your abduction story is unbelievably close to what happen to me when I was young.
The twist to my experience is that the E.T.s thought I was sleeping, and they were upset to find me awake.
They used something like a rod to put into a sleep state, but I was awake long enough to experience the Oz Effect where time stopped.
The Oz Effect made everything stop around me which was beyond bizarre, definitely down the rabbit hole.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 6:09:57 GMT
Luvey, You must be a kindred spirit, because I too believe that inter-dimensional beings check all the boxes. I do not think this idea has ever gone over good here at UFOC. Hello all,
I always thought it is a combination of several things; interdimensional, time-travel, actual aliens visiting, ghosts and Bigfoot.
A little like "Deep Space Nine" on drugs. It's just a theory.
CrystalIt could be all of those too .... It could be humans coming back from the future... some scientists already believe that time travel is possible. Have you ever read any of Lobsang Rampas books? duckduckgo.com/?q=lobsang+rampas+books+free+online&ia=web I read them all many years ago and they are fascinating. One he writes about is a Tibetan monk that had his eyes gouged out by a Chinese soldier when China took Tibet. He said the aliens or other dimensional beings took him on board a spaceship and told him they could not fix his eyes, however, they were able to attach something to his brain to allow him to see them. He said they were frightening to see. Some where half bird half man with wings, and all sorts of strange beings. They made a cave for him to live in with running water... and a plant where he would always have food.... cannot remember now what it was called now. All his books are fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 6:14:26 GMT
Crystal, you are probably right, maybe a combination of things. Luvey, your abduction story is unbelievably close to what happen to me when I was young. The twist to my experience is that the E.T.s thought I was sleeping, and they were upset to find me awake. They used something like a rod to put into a sleep state, but I was awake long enough to experience the Oz Effect where time stopped. The Oz Effect made everything stop around me which was beyond bizarre, definitely down the rabbit hole. Many physicists believe that everything is an illusion coming from the mind... My own experiences tell me that they don't actually take our physical bodies, they take our spirits.
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Jan 21, 2020 12:15:12 GMT
Crystal, you are probably right, maybe a combination of things. Luvey, your abduction story is unbelievably close to what happen to me when I was young. The twist to my experience is that the E.T.s thought I was sleeping, and they were upset to find me awake. They used something like a rod to put into a sleep state, but I was awake long enough to experience the Oz Effect where time stopped. The Oz Effect made everything stop around me which was beyond bizarre, definitely down the rabbit hole. Many physicists believe that everything is an illusion coming from the mind... My own experiences tell me that they don't actually take our physical bodies, they take our spirits. Good morning all,
"...they take our spirits."
That is a horrifying thought.
Crystal
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