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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 13:39:50 GMT
The ships of the "conquistadores would have been taken as as men riding Great Birds by their huge sails ..To a first time observer..I imagine
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Post by HAL on May 3, 2018 19:49:41 GMT
Vanis,
..You in the USA are the ones who have best implemented UFO research networks, all over the world...
I'm in the UK.
But the problem is sorting out the jokers. One idiot in a group can waste hundreds of hours of peoples time.
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Post by HAL on May 3, 2018 19:52:30 GMT
Sys,
..The ships of the "conquistadores would have been taken as as men riding Great Birds by their huge sails ..To a first time observer..I imagine..
I doubt it. They arrived by sea, The people who met them lived by the sea and will have used ships if only for fishing.
So they are more likely to say 'Hell, they are big ships. Don't like the look of this'.
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Post by vanis on May 4, 2018 19:09:40 GMT
HAL, wow UK UK is the navel of the world in terms of scientific literature! USA has a greater number of first-order universities, but first-order scientific journals are European. Science has been at number 16 ... Nature is the number 1 and the first scientific journal.
And there is also the fact that the teams of graphic designers have discovered that the best way to become known worldwide is to generate a UFO digital video! Wait a while and then add in the Youtube video, the references of the authors. It is certainly a headache for serious researchers, because you can hardly make an initial filter when you hear new UFO videos.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 22:04:21 GMT
Sys, ..The ships of the "conquistadores would have been taken as as men riding Great Birds by their huge sails ..To a first time observer..I imagine.. I doubt it. They arrived by sea, The people who met them lived by the sea and will have used ships if only for fishing. So they are more likely to say 'Hell, they are big ships. Don't like the look of this'. HAL are you sure about that? as the ships got close they would see men on the top look outs..what would that look like from their pov? Are you really really sure?
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Post by HAL on May 5, 2018 22:17:37 GMT
The conquistadors didn't start a cargo cult.
Not that I am aware of.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 22:37:53 GMT
I never said that..but even that might not be a stretch..Both South Pacific & Central American Cultures were familiar with boats .the Aztecs very much so. .but they certainly not not look at these as just a bunch of guys on on a big boat..when their theocentric cultures wrote of arrivals of Gods..you see it even in religions now..Black Muslims in America as distinct from other Muslims elsewhere believed in a great mothership..even the COS ..back then it would not be some one off event..it was expected..as natural as carving out thousands of hearts a year to keep the Sun up..
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Post by vanis on May 8, 2018 19:43:42 GMT
I warn you that soon I will upload a YouTube video, with a curious image that I captured on May 2 last. I usually do videos at sunset in Santiago, to try to capture some UFO. I came from the south of Chile escaping from the UFOs and they chase me here!
I take this opportunity to tell you that who of you wants an original file, of which I contribute to the forum, just ask me for my email: gentedelespacio@outlook.cl
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Post by HAL on May 12, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
Vanis,
Could I suggest that you put all your Chile items in one place. Possibly this thread. It would make it easier to follow you. Most of your stuff seems to be related and it would be nice to be able to read it in one place.
'My UFO Report from Chile' has a nice sound to it and suggests an ongoing ufo news section where we can get all the latest from your part of the world.
Just an idea, no need to do it if you don't want.
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Post by vanis on May 14, 2018 18:00:28 GMT
Good idea and as I have been Admin site I thought at first. But I also evaluated to follow the theme of the site, but you are right it is better to present the UFO news from Chile, in a single thread. Thank you!
Final report from My monitoring n° 54 over Santiago: Because my trials of reflections of lantern lights and poles, have not given a similar result to the filmed on May 2 when I recorded moving the cell near those light sources at the same time, I would say that this image does not originate of a reflection of the neighboring lantern. But as when I have repeated the tests in complete darkness I do achieve something similar, I still have the doubt if the filming really is explained by a reflection not only of the lantern that appears on the right side, but of the lantern plus another luminous source that could come from the street in front of which I finished filming that day. As I was filming upwards, I was not aware of that other source, so there is still the doubt that we are really facing a reflection of two incident lights: the Forest Park lantern and the large truck-type vehicle lantern.
Therefore, having that doubt that we could no longer clear, I prefer not to continue studying this film but in any case I will keep it in the forum to serve as a reference, in the case of other similar filming. This is because the common cameras like mine film well during the day but bad at night, where there are reflections and where only good quality cameras are reliable. And here in the monitoring n ° 54 we ended up at the threshold of the night ...
In these cases the principle of strangeness rules, in the sense that if the phenomenon of study resembles the behavior of a known phenomenon, although in reality we are facing a manifestation of the unknown, we can not have certainty. The only way to be able to research an unknown phenomenon is when it manifests, in an extraordinary way and we have the instrumentation to detect it and thus achieve objectify its existence. That is, obtain the so-called hard data that something has really happened, of which until now we had no greater knowledge.
In all other cases as the phenomenon of study resembles something known (a UFO with a lenticular cloud shape for example), we will be forced to consider the cloud hypothesis as the most feasible. Sometimes the mistake is made to consider that the "most probable" explanation is the only valid explanation and that it would always be behind an unknown phenomenon. An alternative that has a probability of occurrence of 1 in a million is certainly much less likely to occur than an explanatory thesis with a 90% probability.
But even so, with that very low probability of occurrence, the alternative of 1 in a million can also happen ... This is explained by the physicists in the following way: if one hits a ball against a wall, it should be expected whenever the ball bounces and returns to our side. But in an extraordinary case with very low probability of existence, the ball will go through the wall and will not return any more ...
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Post by HAL on May 14, 2018 19:30:19 GMT
..This is explained by the physicists in the following way: if one hits a ball against a wall, it should be expected whenever the ball bounces and returns to our side. But in an extraordinary case with very low probability of existence, the ball will go through the wall and will not return any more .. Then the person hitting the ball will have a very big problem. Who will believe him/her ? HAL.
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Post by vanis on May 15, 2018 22:21:29 GMT
It may not be necessary to believe it, since the ball will never be seen again.
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Post by vanis on May 15, 2018 23:04:35 GMT
Report from CEFAA (Monitoring n° 54 from Santiago):Mr Patricio Sepúlveda I presented
We write to you in relation to the report you made from your filming on May 2 in the sector of the Forest Park of Santiago. From the filming a series of images was extracted from frames in which the phenomenon reported was clearly seen. With two of those that were more significant, we checked whether the image presented characteristics that made us think of a solid body, which was discarded. Then its chromaticity was verified, which made it congruent with lighting sources of the scene. The basic geometric analysis, together with the other antecedents make us conclude that what is seen corresponds to parasitic reflections coming from the sources of light of the place.
Sincerely,
Gustavo Arriagada Bustamante Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena, CEFAA General Directorate of Civil Aeronautics, General Secretariat Telephone 22 439 2670 - www.cefaa.gob.cl
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Post by vanis on Jul 23, 2018 1:22:08 GMT
This report contains something very interesting that they verified with their analysis, but from an approach that considers that the images are no more than discoidal clouds: they detected movement of "the cloud" and attributed it to the wind.
There was no wind that afternoon according to weather report and even I made measurements on the two photos, noting the same but only in the image of interest and not in the nearby clouds (between both photos remember that there are only 4 seconds apart ...) .
Here the cover of the Diario Austral de Valdivia from last January 6, where it is seen in the lower area that it was a cloudy day, with extreme temperatures of 7 ° and 22 ° which is typical of a summer day in the south . There is no wind budgeted in other forecasts published then ... The area where the two photos were taken is just about 10 kilometers south of Valdivia and about 30 km inland in the area called intermediate depression (Chile has two mountain ranges and between them an intermediate depression).
Here the information of the specialized site accuweather, for the month of January 2018 in Valdivia:
www.accuweather.com/en/cl/valdivia/53732/january-weather/53732The forecast on the TVN channel was 7 ° and 22 ° with a cloudy day for Valdivia, that day on Saturday, January 6:www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSyTEf_POfQAbove is the final report that was transmitted to me from CEFAA, which I thanked them very much but without telling them that detail because if in 4 seconds there was movement detected, for me it means that behind the cloud there was something else. There was not a hint of wind at that time and the distance is considerable, more than a kilometer in a straight line according to me and if even then movement was detected, it is because "something moved inside the cloud" in my concept.In any case the low pixelated of both photos discards any possibility, to credit something directly from the images because they are very far away.
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Post by vanis on Aug 26, 2018 3:01:03 GMT
Cases in Chile, analyzed by the Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena: www.cefaa.clovnis.forochile.org/t31-casos-en-chile-analizados-por-el-comite-de-estudios-de-fenomenos-aereos-anomalosOn November 11, 2014, a helicopter of the Chilean Navy (Airbus Cougar AS-532), equipped with an infrared FLIR high definition camera, was patrolling in the coastal sector between the port of San Antonio and Quinteros. 16.48 UTC, when the camera operator detected an unknown object, apparently flying at a constant speed similar to that of the helicopter, and moving forward. The sighting was confirmed visually by the two officers that made up the crew (pilot and camera operator) and lasted for more than 10 minutes. The officers interrogated the Air Traffic Control whose radar did not detect the object. They also did not receive a response from the unknown transit when trying to interrogate it on the frequency set for these cases. The radar control system of the DGAC failed to capture the object but in turn confirmed the absence of authorized traffic in the vicinity of the helicopter. On two occasions, the object seems to throw a wake of some element that could not be specified. Some analysts have suggested the hypothesis that it is a medium-sized line aircraft and that the contrails of the element that is detached, may be the reserve water inside the aircraft, thrown by the crew. However, meteorology states that neither the altitude at which the object moved, nor the ambient temperature at that time, allowed such a condensation trail. The object disappeared disappearing into the clouds. The Committee of Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena, made up of outstanding scientists, analysts and aeronautical technicians after an extensive study of the case, coincided in cataloging it as FANI (Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) The CEFAA thanks once again the cooperation of all branches of the armed forces and police forces for their constant cooperation through their respective representatives before the Committee. www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK5tHpYKB20www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBBH06_S88Iwww.youtube.com/watch?v=g9NmGCQplBUImages captured in the War School of the Chilean Air Force www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYSh_NTGa2E* I promise prompt Google translation of what is stated in the videos!
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