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Post by bonehead on Jul 1, 2019 23:47:01 GMT
So if I touch a fire and get the shit burned out of me and it hurts like hell its not real..... It seems you have handily disproved quantum physics with just one line!
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Post by bonehead on Jul 1, 2019 23:51:01 GMT
Regarding the whole ufo area...I haevn't read an interesting book in years....the last ones I felt were relevant were Dr Vallee's trilogy: Dimensions, Confrontations and Revelations. Bonehead....if you have one to recommend please do so. Neither have I. I would like to read Calvin Parker's book. But it has not shown up at our local bookseller yet. His book would mostly be of academic interest anyway. But I can rest easy in the knowledge that Stan Friedman will not be writing any new books.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 0:26:38 GMT
So if I touch a fire and get the shit burned out of me and it hurts like hell its not real..... It seems you have handily disproved quantum physics with just one line! Well actually that's not what I was going for to be honest....It just get's my goat when people try to hand off this oh it's just a mirage what your seeing is not real....Then they throw this molecular mumbo jumbo in for good measure....If I fart and it stinks it's f'ing real I would think. Molecules or not........
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Post by bonehead on Jul 2, 2019 15:46:43 GMT
It seems you have handily disproved quantum physics with just one line! Well actually that's not what I was going for to be honest....It just get's my goat when people try to hand off this oh it's just a mirage what your seeing is not real....Then they throw this molecular mumbo jumbo in for good measure....If I fart and it stinks it's f'ing real I would think. Molecules or not........ Perhaps you should try to learn something about quantum physics. "Real" or mirage, the evidence seems to indicate they are more or less the same thing. Whatever you call real is just what your senses tell you: farts, for instance. But that tells me nothing about UFOs. There is so much more that our senses are not tuned into. The nature of reality is different from what they teach us in school.
I don't know about you, but that makes me curious about what else is out there. And quantum science may indicate more precisely what we are dealing with when approaching the UFO question. Of course, you do not need to know this stuff to get through life. But for me, it beats the hell put of being fooled about the whole thing as we all are for the most part - thanks to our faulty indoctrination through school and culture. If there is more to know than the banal dreck spewing out of our ignorant text books, then that is what i want to know....
Just sayin'.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 17:09:10 GMT
Well actually that's not what I was going for to be honest....It just get's my goat when people try to hand off this oh it's just a mirage what your seeing is not real....Then they throw this molecular mumbo jumbo in for good measure....If I fart and it stinks it's f'ing real I would think. Molecules or not........ Perhaps you should try to learn something about quantum physics. "Real" or mirage, the evidence seems to indicate they are more or less the same thing. Whatever you call real is just what your senses tell you: farts, for instance. But that tells me nothing about UFOs. There is so much more that our senses are not tuned into. The nature of reality is different from what they teach us in school.
I don't know about you, but that makes me curious about what else is out there. And quantum science may indicate more precisely what we are dealing with when approaching the UFO question. Of course, you do not need to know this stuff to get through life. But for me, it beats the hell put of being fooled about the whole thing as we all are for the most part - thanks to our faulty indoctrination through school and culture. If there is more to know than the banal dreck spewing out of our ignorant text books, then that is what i want to know....
Just sayin'.....
BoneheadAbsolutely no interest in physics quantum or other wise thanks.
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Post by drwu on Jul 2, 2019 22:25:30 GMT
Phil, I sort of agree with you on the hard physics thing but you might like The Tao Of Physics and The Dancing Wu Li Masters...both books address the meeting of modern physics and the paranormal in an interesting way.
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Post by drwu on Jul 2, 2019 22:27:17 GMT
Regarding the whole ufo area...I haevn't read an interesting book in years....the last ones I felt were relevant were Dr Vallee's trilogy: Dimensions, Confrontations and Revelations. Bonehead....if you have one to recommend please do so. Neither have I. I would like to read Calvin Parker's book. But it has not shown up at our local bookseller yet. His book would mostly be of academic interest anyway. But I can rest easy in the knowledge that Stan Friedman will not be writing any new books.....
BoneheadYes...can't say I was ever a fan of Stan's books. I would read a new book on ufos if anything was released by someone interesting.
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Post by bonehead on Jul 10, 2019 0:15:08 GMT
Here is a current story that kicks the can in this thread a little further down the road. To whit: Ben Rich said "We have the technology to send ET home". This patent covers precisely this kind of technology.
I had heard this story previously, but this article goes into depth regarding details of a U.S. Navy patent for anti-gravity vehicles:
www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances
Interestingly, this dovetails precisely into "rumors" that I heard back in the '80s that a lot of "development" work for "foreign technologies" was assigned to the Navy as it would tend to divert attention from the actual use of the technology. For instance, the work of Townsend Brown was executed in the '50s while he was employed by the Navy - even though his technology was for flying devices. This article also ties the work to scientist Hal Puthoff who has been involved in a lot of cutting edge science for the military. He is also one of the founding members of Tom DeLonge's TTSA (To the Stars Academy). The article also mentions Steve Justice, former Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs at the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich's former gig. Those dots are starting to connect.
So, we have the U.S. Navy involved in creating anti-gravity craft while tidbits of all this are released directly into the mainstream media. TTSA has accomplished one thing: they have moved talk of UFOs into the mainstream. Yeah, there are still a lot of folks out there resisting this idea. But once the mainstream starts moving in that direction, there is little the doubters can do about it. They will all be eating crow eventually.
Is this what disclosure looks like? If so, it is a bit disappointing for me. Anti-gravity vehicles are fine. But I say, show me the aliens!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2019 13:14:18 GMT
Here is a current story that kicks the can in this thread a little further down the road. To whit: Ben Rich said "We have the technology to send ET home". This patent covers precisely this kind of technology.
I had heard this story previously, but this article goes into depth regarding details of a U.S. Navy patent for anti-gravity vehicles:
www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances
Interestingly, this dovetails precisely into "rumors" that I heard back in the '80s that a lot of "development" work for "foreign technologies" was assigned to the Navy as it would tend to divert attention from the actual use of the technology. For instance, the work of Townsend Brown was executed in the '50s while he was employed by the Navy - even though his technology was for flying devices. This article also ties the work to scientist Hal Puthoff who has been involved in a lot of cutting edge science for the military. He is also one of the founding members of Tom DeLonge's TTSA (To the Stars Academy). The article also mentions Steve Justice, former Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs at the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich's former gig. Those dots are starting to connect.
So, we have the U.S. Navy involved in creating anti-gravity craft while tidbits of all this are released directly into the mainstream media. TTSA has accomplished one thing: they have moved talk of UFOs into the mainstream. Yeah, there are still a lot of folks out there resisting this idea. But once the mainstream starts moving in that direction, there is little the doubters can do about it. They will all be eating crow eventually.
Is this what disclosure looks like? If so, it is a bit disappointing for me. Anti-gravity vehicles are fine. But I say, show me the aliens!
Bonehead In a word No....
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Post by HAL on Jul 10, 2019 20:42:55 GMT
Bonehead,
You need to remember that an American patent application does NOT require a working model or prototype, unlike a European one.
...They will all be eating crow eventually....
Probably won't be very much else left to eat by then.
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Post by bonehead on Jul 11, 2019 15:56:25 GMT
Here is a current story that kicks the can in this thread a little further down the road. To whit: Ben Rich said "We have the technology to send ET home". This patent covers precisely this kind of technology.
I had heard this story previously, but this article goes into depth regarding details of a U.S. Navy patent for anti-gravity vehicles:
www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances
Interestingly, this dovetails precisely into "rumors" that I heard back in the '80s that a lot of "development" work for "foreign technologies" was assigned to the Navy as it would tend to divert attention from the actual use of the technology. For instance, the work of Townsend Brown was executed in the '50s while he was employed by the Navy - even though his technology was for flying devices. This article also ties the work to scientist Hal Puthoff who has been involved in a lot of cutting edge science for the military. He is also one of the founding members of Tom DeLonge's TTSA (To the Stars Academy). The article also mentions Steve Justice, former Program Director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin Advanced Development Programs at the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich's former gig. Those dots are starting to connect.
So, we have the U.S. Navy involved in creating anti-gravity craft while tidbits of all this are released directly into the mainstream media. TTSA has accomplished one thing: they have moved talk of UFOs into the mainstream. Yeah, there are still a lot of folks out there resisting this idea. But once the mainstream starts moving in that direction, there is little the doubters can do about it. They will all be eating crow eventually.
Is this what disclosure looks like? If so, it is a bit disappointing for me. Anti-gravity vehicles are fine. But I say, show me the aliens!
Bonehead In a word No.... Oh yee of little faith! All I know is that UFOs are now talked about in the mainstream media, seriously. That was quite a rarity in times past. The feds have stopped (for the most part) denying their existence and their official interest in them. Congress is getting security briefings on them.
I had my doubts about Tom DeLonge and his little vanity project. But I do not think anybody can deny that with the tic-tac videos and subsequent events that mainstream talk of UFOs has moved beyond the knee-jerk ridicule of years past. That is positive movement, whether you are willing to acknowledge it or not. I am not holding my breath. But there are more signs of progress now than there have ever been since I first became aware of UFOs in my misspent youth.
That is something your cynical comments fail to concede....
Just sayin'.....
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Post by bonehead on Jul 11, 2019 16:08:57 GMT
Bonehead, You need to remember that an American patent application does NOT require a working model or prototype, unlike a European one. ... They will all be eating crow eventually.... Probably won't be very much else left to eat by then. HAL Yes, I know that about American patents. It said as much in the article. It also said that such a patent is more like insurance against possible future "developments" by others. That suggests that, if they have not developed successful prototypes, that they are working on them. Ben Rich implied that we already had this stuff nearly 30 years ago. Perhaps the prototype is a done deal already.
I know that does not sit well with your inclination to negate. I do not see disclosure in these news releases. But I do see the door opening on it ever so slightly. There is a definite crack opening in the wall of secrecy and ridicule that has characterized the UFO question for over 70 years. Sorry, but I think that is good reason for optimism.....
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Post by HAL on Jul 11, 2019 19:47:46 GMT
The point being that anyone who can afford the fee can come up with some quasi scientific drawings and say that this is the plan for a starship.
But it doesn't mean that they are even remotely feasible. Prof Michio Kaku's series on future trends was a good example. All very sci-fi. But also speculation.
You must keep in mind that we don't even have a foolproof reliable way of getting to the Moon yet.
...Ben Rich implied that we already had this stuff nearly 30 years ago. Perhaps the prototype is a done deal already....
I seriously doubt it.
If it were true, America's wish to rule the World without opposition would have revealed itself in 'V' type appearances over the cities of everyone else by now. They just wouldn't be able to contain themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2019 21:50:04 GMT
Oh yee of little faith! All I know is that UFOs are now talked about in the mainstream media, seriously. That was quite a rarity in times past. The feds have stopped (for the most part) denying their existence and their official interest in them. Congress is getting security briefings on them.
I had my doubts about Tom DeLonge and his little vanity project. But I do not think anybody can deny that with the tic-tac videos and subsequent events that mainstream talk of UFOs has moved beyond the knee-jerk ridicule of years past. That is positive movement, whether you are willing to acknowledge it or not. I am not holding my breath. But there are more signs of progress now than there have ever been since I first became aware of UFOs in my misspent youth.
That is something your cynical comments fail to concede....
Just sayin'.....
Bonehead No being cynical but I can get that way. It will die off just like all the rest of this stuff... So just how far do you think they will carry this? And I do not exactly see the media reporting on it day and day out...The Fed interest is only to the extent that they are concerned about (1)...Pilot safety and (2)...Determining the threat....#2 is not likely. The progress will be short lived. Delonge was in it for the money and in case you forgot TTAS is a "for profit organization" and the whole series proved nothing. Naturally Cox and Dolan are going to scream disclosure but what have they proven that we did not already know?
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Post by bonehead on Aug 5, 2019 1:22:05 GMT
To all those that thought my previous post about the Naval patent were "premature", here is an article that says other wise:
www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29232/navys-advanced-aerospace-tech-boss-claims-key-ufo-patent-is-operable
It appears that folks making these claims can be fined and jailed for making false statements concerning patent submissions. That The fellow making these claims is also a Naval officer means that this is from an official government source as well.
In other words, they are claiming that the items in the patent submissions are not theoretical, but "operable" - and the navy has them. I see a few folks are eating crow already....
Bonehead
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