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Post by buzzbomb on May 29, 2019 17:33:19 GMT
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Post by nyx on May 29, 2019 21:27:11 GMT
I am sure there is no reason why military members would lie about what they have seen.
People just need to get over it that we are not alone.
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Post by buzzbomb on May 30, 2019 14:52:46 GMT
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Post by buzzbomb on Jun 1, 2019 20:11:31 GMT
I am sure there is no reason why military members would lie about what they have seen. People just need to get over it that we are not alone. Not lying about what they saw is not the same thing as not knowing what it is they saw.
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Post by purr on Jun 3, 2019 1:39:57 GMT
Nice article, Buzzbomb, and the Navy's stance in these encounters actually tells us a lot. Obviously no pilot has been penalized for taking evasive maneuvers to avoid colliding with mysterious unidentified aircraft, meaning the Navy has opted for modelling physical craft posing a real danger to their fighters, not a pilot making an unnessary flight correction while delusional/hallucinating. That same danger comes with the implication these aren't US developed experimental stealth drones or sumtin (risking billions of dollars worth of Navy aircraft getting blown from the sky). So they are 'foreign', insanely advanced, so fast, capable of climbing near the edge of space and radical maneuvers thus pointing to major players like Russia or China with resources to create such drone aircraft. But even they, competing all out for air superiority would seem ill advised to fly their gizmos into US Navy aircraft or worse into civilian airliners. The debris might reveal to its true origins and trigger grave consequences for any hostile nations committing such act of war. Begs the real question: how foreign are these unidentified flying objects. More so than Made In The U S A, more so than Chinese or Russian (who are rational players imo) then how foreign can it get, seeing the various shapes (flying saucers included in pilot sighting lore), capabilities and almost physics defying propulsion. The US Navy seems to rule out extraterrestrials, maybe because they're under orders to do so, fair enough, but having all but eliminated most conceivable earthly explanations I say it is reasonable to conclude some of these military pilots are describing ET encounters. purr
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Post by buzzbomb on Jun 3, 2019 23:35:05 GMT
There has to come a time when these craft (we'll assume for the sake of argument that these are craft) will have to be pitted against war planes simply to prove that they can outrun them every single time. That's the ultimate test. No use having these craft if a jet could take one down on a bad day. I don't know if it matters so much whose debris the wreckage would belong to, it matters much more what technology might be revealed. They must outrun all conventional craft and they must do it every time and, occasionally, exercises have to be run where one of these craft is put before an unsuspecting pilot to see if he can catch it.
With that said, I don't believe in ET and I don't believe these are craft. I believe we are up against a mystery that defies all explanation. It seems to be tied into science and to history and to folklore and mythology and none of it adds up. We're up against something we can't fight because we have no idea what we are fighting or even if we are fighting. A master of illusions and it is unconquerable and we never see it as it really is because we simply can't.
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Post by HAL on Jun 5, 2019 18:28:19 GMT
...I am sure there is no reason why military members would lie about what they have seen....
Really !
Lying about things military to the public is, if you are instructed to do so, proof that you are made of 'the right stuff'. A patriot etc. Doesn't matter that you are a liar as long as you are toeing the government line.
Sorry if I sound a bit extreme, but this kind of thing has always got up my nose. If you have a secret to keep, just keep your mouth shut when questioned.
Mind you, the CEO isn't averse to a bit of truth bending, so I suppose they are just following the leader.
Sad really.
HAL.
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Post by nyx on Jun 6, 2019 2:48:00 GMT
So Hal,
If the feds are telling the Navy to talk about UFOs like the “tic tac”, is this a plan to cause misdirection and disinformation?
It is really not like the Pentagon to let the public have UFO videos, which makes me think the public is being set up.
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Post by HAL on Jun 6, 2019 18:07:09 GMT
Problem is, we can't know.
This is the beauty of this behavior. Constantly deny there are any reports. Then maybe leak a few (Don't need to, be real) then say you are going to reveal what is reported. Reveal something, but how do we know any of it is real anymore ? In today's world of CGI ?
We have had years of this game. It has led to total confusion.
I don't like saying this, but your President is one of the worst offenders. He will openly say, before the cameras, 'don't believe anything you read. It's all fake'. He will then go on to deny saying things we all watched and heard him say live. So now no one knows what to believe and what not to believe. And one day he will say something important and no one will take any notice. I hate this situation. His erratic form of government is effecting far more than just the USA.
But some of our members think he is the best thing since sliced bread. It really is your choice.
Service people will do as they are told. Either from a sense of patriotism; however misguided. Or because they are under duress to do so.
Eventually many will not be able to take the stress. And they will end up in mental institutions having spent many years compromised. When they get out of the forces and people find out that they lied on a regular basis to the people they knew then they will be shunned by former friends and family.
Military politics is a sordid dirty game. But much of it is necessary.
We live in a screwed up world.
HAL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 23:12:00 GMT
Problem is, we can't know. This is the beauty of this behavior. Constantly deny there are any reports. Then maybe leak a few (Don't need to, be real) then say you are going to reveal what is reported. Reveal something, but how do we know any of it is real anymore ? In today's world of CGI ? We have had years of this game. It has led to total confusion. I don't like saying this, but your President is one of the worst offenders. He will openly say, before the cameras, 'don't believe anything you read. It's all fake'. He will then go on to deny saying things we all watched and heard him say live. So now no one knows what to believe and what not to believe. And one day he will say something important and no one will take any notice. I hate this situation. His erratic form of government is effecting far more than just the USA. But some of our members think he is the best thing since sliced bread. It really is your choice. Service people will do as they are told. Either from a sense of patriotism; however misguided. Or because they are under duress to do so. Eventually many will not be able to take the stress. And they will end up in mental institutions having spent many years compromised. When they get out of the forces and people find out that they lied on a regular basis to the people they knew then they will be shunned by former friends and family. Military politics is a sordid dirty game. But much of it is necessary. We live in a screwed up world. HAL Unless you have been in the military you have no idea... There are just somethings the public does not need to know.
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Post by HAL on Jun 7, 2019 17:27:31 GMT
Seven years long enough ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 20:54:16 GMT
Seven years long enough ? HAL. Quite long enough! Thats how long I was in....
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