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Post by buzzbomb on Sept 30, 2021 12:18:34 GMT
people.com/human-interest/authorities-ramp-up-search-for-lauren-cho-nj-woman-who-went-missing-near-joshua-tree/Lauren Cho, 30, disappeared June 28, 2021 from Yucca Valley, CA on a mountain trail in the Joshua Tree National Park. According to her friend, Cody Orell, Cho seemed upset about something and walked off and was never seen again. Orell also stated that Cho was supposed to be meeting up with somebody but she didn't say whom. She walked away from the Airbnb where she was staying at around 5:10 pm. She did not take food, water nor cell phone with her according to witnesses. Police have searched the Airbnb twice and exhausted their wilderness search possibilities but said they are still looking for her. Cho had brought her pet parakeet with her to the Airbnb and was known to dote on and fuss over the bird and never liked to be away from it for very long and this worries her family terribly. This may not be a 411. She could have simply fallen into a crevasse, for example, but it is strange that she simply walked off in the first place without telling anyone where she was going. It happened quickly. Orell said the disappearance window was about 10 minutes.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 1, 2021 15:08:19 GMT
youtu.be/s2SVSUnptaAWeird story of a Croatian woman found on an island with an extremely harsh terrain but no memory of how she got there. This isn't the only time something like this has happened.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 6, 2021 12:58:30 GMT
www.thedailybeast.com/this-marokopa-new-zealand-family-vanished-into-thin-airnow-theyre-back-after-17-days-of-hellPossible 411 here. New Zealand family disappears into the wilderness for 17 days. Their vehicle was found abandoned. Then the father and children just show up and seem fine after vanishing without a trace for 3 weeks. They claimed they made a little camp. The trouble is, the family and police are being extremely vague about what happened. Why did they abandon their vehicle? Why build a camp? What did they eat and how did they catch it? The police refer to their ordeal as "seventeen days of hell" but won't elaborate on what they mean. More questions than answers and the locals aren't happy about it. After 3 weeks of fruitless searching, the family turns up on their own in good health but with no explanation of why any of it happened in the first place.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 22, 2021 15:25:40 GMT
Regarding the man, woman, child and dog that were found dead in the Sierra National Forest which I covered earlier, they now say they died of hypothermia and dehydration. Maybe I had bad info but, according to other reports, they had only arrived in the wilderness that morning so how could they be dehydrated?? Hypothermia?? No one thought to take jackets and boots or extra warm clothes for their baby? How freakin' cold was it? Then there is the dog--dogs can live in cold better than humans, the dog freezing to death alongside the humans seems a bit strange. I would expect the dog to have survived. But I can only go on what they say.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 22, 2021 15:29:54 GMT
All at once we see things in our skies And we both realize It together
Well, you know they were wrong Get on the right thing Yes, you knew it all along Get on the right thing
Believe me, it's so Cuz I just happen to know
--Paul McCartney, "Get On the Right Thing"
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Post by buzzbomb on Nov 5, 2021 18:46:43 GMT
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Post by buzzbomb on Nov 6, 2021 2:07:13 GMT
Lauren Cho's body was found on Oct 9 in the desert in Yucca Valley. Cause of death is pending toxicology results. So, it's already strange. If she was shot in the head or stabbed 10 times, they would have said so. That means cause of death unknown. The location of her body was not far from the Airbnb that she was staying at owned by friend, Tao Ruspoli. That makes me wonder, was that area searched previously?
The last person to see her alive was Cody Orell, her ex-boyfriend. They argued and she walked off never to be seen alive again. He reported Cho missing some three hours later. Could Orell have done something? Suppose he did, how did he hide and move the body? Orell revealed that Cho was mentally ill. Other says she was suicidal. But suicides are quick or painless (overdose of tranquilizers, for example). A suicidal person doesn't decide to end it all by going out into the wilderness to die of exposure. She might have gone out there and taken poison or a toxic compound which is obviously what the cops think. What if the toxicology report comes back negative? Then what?
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Post by buzzbomb on Nov 28, 2021 20:53:41 GMT
Bart Schleyer was considered one of the greatest outdoorsmen in the world. From a young age, he was intensely interested in animals and wildlife in general. In his career, Schleyer studied a dizzying array of animals in the wild from bears to tigers to wolves to buffalo to cougar to foxes to who knows what? He traveled the globe studying wildlife from the Himalayas to the Sahara Desert to the Australian Outback to the world’s rainforests to sailing the Amazon. He was an expert mountain-climber and bow-hunter. Many considered Bart to be such a natural at hiking, survivalism and navigating that it was impossible for him to ever get lost. He was a larger-than-life figure who had hiked the forests and jungles of some the remotest and densest areas of the earth. He took beautiful photos and painted scenes of his travels. He was considered an authority on bears and grizzly bears in particular having spent over a decade and a half studying them. Much of what we now know of the habits and behavior of the grizzly comes from the field work of Bart Schleyer. In October of 2004, Bart was in the Yukon Territory pursuing his passion. He was well-equipped and had three Action Pack crates loaded with food and camping supplies including an inflatable raft with him. He was dropped off by plane at the Reed Lakes area of the Yukon. He was to be gone for two weeks and then the plane would fly out and pick him up. Bart had been to the Canadian wilderness before so he knew what to expect. No one thought much of it. No one doubted Bart’s ability to weather two weeks in the Yukon. When the two weeks was up, the pilot of the Bart’s recovery plane flew out to the area but saw no sign of Bart. He was immediately alarmed. Bart was never late. He was always where he said he would be when he said he’d be. Bart knew the importance of being prompt in the wilderness. Bart Schleyer was reported missing on September 30, 2004. The RCMP immediately began to search in the Reed Lakes area. Weather turned very bad shortly before that. They saw no trace of Bart. They theorized that perhaps has tried to hike out to the highway when the ice started coming down. The problem was, of course, that Bart was an adamant survivalist and outdoorsman. He would know how to survive in the cold with frozen rain falling. The RCMP called off the search due to the weather. Bart’s friends and family continued to search and located his camp. His tent was collapsed but, strangely, everything was intact. If, say, robbers had come through, why would they leave all the supplies and take only Bart? Likewise, if wild animals had attacked the camp for food, why would they leave all the food behind? On the second day of searching, the team came across Bart’s bow and his inflatable boat. About 60 yards into the woods on flat ground, in a thicket of black spruce and willow trees, they found his arrows in a makeshift quiver Bart had made leaning against a tree. There was a dry bag of gear nearby that they think Bart was sitting on. It looked to the team that Bart had thrown together a kind of blind something like what a moose-hunter would do. Further down in the woods, they found a camouflage face mask with blood on it and called the RCMP to come out and investigate. The RCMP investigators set up a grid-search team and located a ball cap, camo pants, a camera, small bones and part of a skull about 60 meters from where the bow and inflatable boat had been found. When the dental work on the skull was compared to Schleyer’s, the conclusion was that the skull belonged to Bart. Bear scat was found in the area and a story went around that Bart was probably attacked by a grizzly bear. The idea that someone with the experience that Bart had studying grizzlies would get attacked by one doesn’t add up. He would know how close he could get to them. He would keep track of them so that it is very unlikely that a grizzly suddenly came upon Bart and waylaid him. Bart was only 49-year-old and so it is unlikely that he senses failed him or that he was unable to run or climb. Again, if grizzlies got to Bart Schleyer, why didn’t they take the food? That would be the only reason that they would attack him. Not only was the packaged food untouched, it look like Bart had been interrupted from a meal at the time he disappeared as the remains of a partially eaten meal were found in the camp. Certainly, this food would have been eaten by a bear since it was in the open and a bear would have been able to smell it from miles away. Yet, it remained untouched where Bart had left it. Moreover, an examination of the bear scat in the area did not appear to have been digested human nor were scraps of Bart’s clothing to be found in the scat. The RCMP’s official conclusion is that Bart Schleyer died as the result of a bear attack. This flies in the face of doctors who examined the bones had found no signs of animal-type mutilation that would normally be found. Nor was the camp itself in any sort of disarray. Animals would have torn it to pieces. Nothing was touched. What happened to Bart Schleyer?
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Post by purr on Nov 30, 2021 19:24:11 GMT
Bart Schleyer was considered one of the greatest outdoorsmen in the world. From a young age, he was intensely interested in animals and wildlife in general. In his career, Schleyer studied a dizzying array of animals in the wild from bears to tigers to wolves to buffalo to cougar to foxes to who knows what? He traveled the globe studying wildlife from the Himalayas to the Sahara Desert to the Australian Outback to the world’s rainforests to sailing the Amazon. He was an expert mountain-climber and bow-hunter. Many considered Bart to be such a natural at hiking, survivalism and navigating that it was impossible for him to ever get lost. He was a larger-than-life figure who had hiked the forests and jungles of some the remotest and densest areas of the earth. He took beautiful photos and painted scenes of his travels. He was considered an authority on bears and grizzly bears in particular having spent over a decade and a half studying them. Much of what we now know of the habits and behavior of the grizzly comes from the field work of Bart Schleyer. In October of 2004, Bart was in the Yukon Territory pursuing his passion. He was well-equipped and had three Action Pack crates loaded with food and camping supplies including an inflatable raft with him. He was dropped off by plane at the Reed Lakes area of the Yukon. He was to be gone for two weeks and then the plane would fly out and pick him up. Bart had been to the Canadian wilderness before so he knew what to expect. No one thought much of it. No one doubted Bart’s ability to weather two weeks in the Yukon. When the two weeks was up, the pilot of the Bart’s recovery plane flew out to the area but saw no sign of Bart. He was immediately alarmed. Bart was never late. He was always where he said he would be when he said he’d be. Bart knew the importance of being prompt in the wilderness. Bart Schleyer was reported missing on September 30, 2004. The RCMP immediately began to search in the Reed Lakes area. Weather turned very bad shortly before that. They saw no trace of Bart. They theorized that perhaps has tried to hike out to the highway when the ice started coming down. The problem was, of course, that Bart was an adamant survivalist and outdoorsman. He would know how to survive in the cold with frozen rain falling. The RCMP called off the search due to the weather. Bart’s friends and family continued to search and located his camp. His tent was collapsed but, strangely, everything was intact. If, say, robbers had come through, why would they leave all the supplies and take only Bart? Likewise, if wild animals had attacked the camp for food, why would they leave all the food behind? On the second day of searching, the team came across Bart’s bow and his inflatable boat. About 60 yards into the woods on flat ground, in a thicket of black spruce and willow trees, they found his arrows in a makeshift quiver Bart had made leaning against a tree. There was a dry bag of gear nearby that they think Bart was sitting on. It looked to the team that Bart had thrown together a kind of blind something like what a moose-hunter would do. Further down in the woods, they found a camouflage face mask with blood on it and called the RCMP to come out and investigate. The RCMP investigators set up a grid-search team and located a ball cap, camo pants, a camera, small bones and part of a skull about 60 meters from where the bow and inflatable boat had been found. When the dental work on the skull was compared to Schleyer’s, the conclusion was that the skull belonged to Bart. Bear scat was found in the area and a story went around that Bart was probably attacked by a grizzly bear. The idea that someone with the experience that Bart had studying grizzlies would get attacked by one doesn’t add up. He would know how close he could get to them. He would keep track of them so that it is very unlikely that a grizzly suddenly came upon Bart and waylaid him. Bart was only 49-year-old and so it is unlikely that he senses failed him or that he was unable to run or climb. Again, if grizzlies got to Bart Schleyer, why didn’t they take the food? That would be the only reason that they would attack him. Not only was the packaged food untouched, it look like Bart had been interrupted from a meal at the time he disappeared as the remains of a partially eaten meal were found in the camp. Certainly, this food would have been eaten by a bear since it was in the open and a bear would have been able to smell it from miles away. Yet, it remained untouched where Bart had left it. Moreover, an examination of the bear scat in the area did not appear to have been digested human nor were scraps of Bart’s clothing to be found in the scat. The RCMP’s official conclusion is that Bart Schleyer died as the result of a bear attack. This flies in the face of doctors who examined the bones had found no signs of animal-type mutilation that would normally be found. Nor was the camp itself in any sort of disarray. Animals would have torn it to pieces. Nothing was touched. What happened to Bart Schleyer? Buzzbomb, I remember reports on Discovery of a fortunately very rare behavior of bears (solitary Browns are mainly implicated but Grizzly bears are known to be similarly predisposed) where they prey on humans, specifically 'lock on' to a person and will proceed to stalk, track and continue to close in on their human quarry culminating in pouncing and well... having you for dinner. Which is pretty awful when you think on it some. Being hunted by a bear is not common nor a normal part of hiking through bear country. Normal is to be read up on how to behave when passing through THEIR land, often a matter of respect the bear and they will respect you. Try and avoid startling them by emphatically announcing your presence, make a helluva ruckus so they can move out of a hiking party's way or timely warn humans off in turn in case of say meeting momma bear with her precious cubs nearby. Simply: make sure to keep your distance. But when you find Yogi has it in for your tenderest chops IT IS DIFFERENT. The bear will stare. I'm no expert, but expect to see a bear following, without confrontational stand up displays, on all fours, crouching with its head lowered and continuing to follow. Slowly but relentlessly. You will not feel the fear and excitement of encountering a magnificent Grizzly. Rather.. going from "now that's weird" to a sinking feeling in your stomach, icy tentacles shivering down your spine to full blown dread. When a bear has you in their sights like this you'll be looking death in the eye. Don't be surprised... BE PREPARED... I read firearms have not proven effective in cases of attacks by stalking bears. These immensely powerful animals may manage to finish their deadly attack after having been mortally wounded by bullets. Discharging bear spray can make a bear change his mind about hunting and eating you, however be sure to be packing a bunch, because the bear, after a good sneeze, might return, begin to track you again, even make several attempts at successfully concluding the hunt. The advice is to engage in a CONFRONTATIONAL MODE, make as if you take the fight to the bear, be angry, be loud, make him feel pain, psyche him out into believing you are no prey, but a dangerous predator in your own right. (Admittedly easier said than done .) Buzz, the above account of bear behavior is my best answer to your question. Bart Schleyer imo encountered a Grizzly that had switched to predatory mode and then stalked and ate him whole. Any body parts remaining on the killing site could have been small enough to be carried off by other animals. If indeed a mankiller, perhaps an experienced one at that, this bear would have a sense of the consequences of killing a human being, namely getting hunted and shot at in turn. This smart bear thus left the area with its belly full and kept moving for hours while covering great distance before, as the expression goes, shitting in the woods. The incriminating stools were never found. The killer left the foodstuff behind because he was not scavenging, but hunting (and the hunt was successful). Only Scheyer's partial skull tells the tale: a big bear will have no trouble biting (part of) your head off... purr
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Post by buzzbomb on Nov 30, 2021 20:51:16 GMT
What's your point??
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Post by purr on Nov 30, 2021 22:11:01 GMT
The point I meant to make was in the case of Schleyer's disappearance, he was likely stalked and eaten by a big bear like a Grizzly operating in man-killer mode.
That said, I do not believe that all those gone missing in the Great Outdoors were killed by dangerous nature. I take away from your excellent thread that a percentage of cases involves unknown actors somehow TAKING a human subject to another location, then returning them (or not), alive (or dead), intact (or with parts missing). Perhaps these are the same alien faction associated with cattle mutilations and the Skin Walker Ranch. purr
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Post by ZETAR on Nov 30, 2021 23:19:26 GMT
The point I meant to make was in the case of Schleyer's disappearance, he was likely stalked and eaten by a big bear like a Grizzly operating in man-killer mode.
That said, I do not believe that all those gone missing in the Great Outdoors were killed by dangerous nature. I take away from your excellent thread that a percentage of cases involves unknown actors somehow TAKING a human subject to another location, then returning them (or not), alive (or dead), intact (or with parts missing). Perhaps these are the same alien faction associated with cattle mutilations and the Skin Walker Ranch. purr
SHALOM...Z
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Post by thelmadonna on Dec 1, 2021 19:50:29 GMT
Well I would like you to tell us what exactly is your point.
There are thousands and thousand of people go missing every year.
In my opinion your posts are totally futile.
Have you ever solved a missing person case? Boots on the ground or even remotely?
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 6, 2021 22:55:06 GMT
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Post by ZETAR on Dec 7, 2021 0:15:24 GMT
SHALOM...Z
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