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Post by gus on Apr 24, 2019 22:22:44 GMT
Hal I will pray for you LOL just kidding
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Post by nyx on Apr 24, 2019 22:38:20 GMT
From past experience I found the subjects religion, politics, and money causes a lot of emotions in supposedly calm people.
I have a tendency to steer away from these subjects.
I innocently once commented that I could understand why certain families are in need of food stamps, and I almost got thrown out of the room by fellow listeners.
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 25, 2019 1:03:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2019 9:40:40 GMT
Hal I will pray for you LOL just kidding Please don't go oh beloved thread killer!
But if you do..remember the golden rule..on the way out..it will still be here on the way back in
Please feel welcome to join in here on the Stuff and Nonsense thread.
Only one rule: Please be kind to one another.
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Post by moksha on Apr 25, 2019 10:16:46 GMT
Something is going very wrong here. I ask a simple question of Crystal, and she answers simply. Yet suddenly I am I am apparently bullying her. I've just come off another site because they had an even more extreme view of any questions that were put to them. Maybe it's time to go back to lurking. See you all later. HAL Please don't leave (lurk) HAL.
CrystalYeah, we can all use a little more cheese with our Mac oroni.
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Post by thelmadonna on Apr 25, 2019 11:18:51 GMT
From one atheist to another, you are wanted here HAL, I miss your input. It seems the UFO is cyclical. We are barely a quarter the way through this year. There is a new season of Crop Circles on the horizon. The US Forces have been given the go ahead to report their anomalous sightings, that will filter down to civilian airline staff, that will spread to Worldwide Airlines. It wont be long before the count will be so huge, the cat will be out of the bag.
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Post by thelmadonna on Apr 25, 2019 11:26:50 GMT
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 25, 2019 11:40:08 GMT
Good morning all,
Live Science
Inside Giant Atom Smasher, Physicists See the Impossible: Light Interacting with Light
By Paul Sutter, Astrophysicist April 25, 2019 07:14am ET
In case you didn't realize it, photons are tiny little bits of light. In fact, they're the smallest bit of light possible. When you turn on a lamp, gigantic numbers of photons spring from that bulb and slam into your eyes, where they are absorbed by your retina and turned into an electrical signal so that you can see what you are doing.
So, you can imagine just how many photons surround you at any one time. Not just from the lights in your room, but photons also stream in through the window from the sun. Even your own body generates photons, but all the way down in infrared energies, so you need night vision goggles to see them. But they're still there.
And, of course, all the radio waves and ultraviolet rays and all the other rays constantly bombard you and everything else with an endless stream of photons.
It's photons everywhere.
These little packets of light aren't supposed to interact with each other, essentially having no "awareness" that the others even exist. The laws of physics are such that one photon just passes by another with zero interaction. [The 18 Biggest Unsolved Mysteries in Physics]
That's what physicists thought, at least. But in a new experiment inside the world's most powerful atom smasher, researchers got a glimpse of the impossible: photons bumping into each other. The catch? These photons were a little off their game, meaning they weren't acting like themselves and instead had temporarily become "virtual." By studying these super-rare interactions, physicists hope to reveal some of the fundamental properties of light and possibly even discover new high-energy physics, like grand unified theories and (maybe) supersymmetry.
A light touch
Usually, it's a good thing that photons don't interact with each other or bounce off each other, because that would be a total madhouse with photons never going anywhere in any sort of straight line. So, thankfully, two photons will simply slip by each other as if the other didn't even exist.
That is, most of the time.
In high-energy experiments, we can (with a lot of elbow grease) get two photons to strike each other, though this happens very rarely. Physicists are interested in this sort of process because it reveals some very deep properties of the nature of light itself and could help to uncover some unexpected physics. [18 Times Quantum Particles Blew Our Minds]
Photons so rarely interact with one another because they connect only with particles that have electric charges. It's just one of those rules of the universe that we have to live by. But if this is the rule of the universe, then how could we ever get two photons, which have no charge, to connect with each other?
When a photon isn't
The answer lies in one of the most inscrutable and yet delicious aspects of modern physics, and it goes by the funky name of quantum electrodynamics.
In this picture of the subatomic world, the photon isn't necessarily a photon. Well, at least, it's not always a photon. Particles like electrons and photons and all the other -ons continually flip back and forth, changing identities as they travel. It seems confusing at first: How could, say, a beam of light be anything other than a beam of light?
In order to understand this wacky behavior, we need to expand our consciousness a little (to borrow an expression).
In the case of photons, as they travel, every once in a while (and keep in mind that this is extremely, extremely rare), one can change its mind. And instead of being just a photon, it can become a pair of particles, a negatively charged electron and a positively charged positron (the antimatter partner of the electron), that travel together.
Blink and you'll miss it, because the positron and electron will find each other, and, as happens when matter and antimatter meet, they annihilate, poof. The odd pair will turn back into a photon.
For various reasons that are way too complicated to get into right now, when this happens, these pairs are called virtual particles. Suffice it to say that in almost all cases you never get to interact with the virtual particles (in this case, the positron and electron), and you only ever get to talk to the photon.
But not in every case.
A light in the dark
In a series of experiments run by the ATLAS collaboration at the Large Hadron Collider beneath the French-Swiss border and recently submitted to the online preprint journal arXiv, the team spent way too much time slamming lead nuclei into each other at nearly the speed of light. However, they didn't actually let the lead particles hit each other; instead, the bits just came very, very, very, very close. [Photos: The World's Largest Atom Smasher (LHC)]
This way, instead of having to deal with a gigantic mess of a collision, including a lot of extra particles, forces and energies, the lead atoms just interacted via the electromagnetic force. In other words, they just exchanged a whole lot of photons.
And every once in a while — extremely, incredibly rarely — one of those photons would briefly turn into a pair composed of a positron and an electron; then, another photon would see one of those positrons or electrons and talk to it. An interaction would occur.
Now, in this interaction, the photon just sort of bumps into either the electron or the positron and goes off on its merry way without any harm. Eventually, that positron or electron finds its mate and returns to being a photon, so the result of two photons hitting each other is just two photons bouncing off each other. But that they were able to talk to each other at all is remarkable.
How remarkable? Well, after trillions upon trillions of collisions, the team detected a grand total of 59 potential intersections. Just 59.
But what do those 59 interactions tell us about the universe? For one, they validate this picture that a photon isn't always a photon.
And by digging into the very quantum nature of these particles, we could learn some new physics. For example, in some fancy models that push the boundaries of known particle physics, these photon interactions occur at slightly different rates, potentially giving us a way of exploring and testing these models. Right now, we don't have enough data to tell the differences among any of these models. But now that the technique is established, we might just make some headway.
And you're going to have to excuse the very obvious closing pun here, but hopefully soon, we can shed some light on the situation.
www.livescience.com/65320-photons-interact.html
Crystal
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 25, 2019 11:42:42 GMT
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 25, 2019 11:48:11 GMT
PHYS.org
April 24, 2019
China to build moon station in 'about 10 years'
Beijing plans to send a manned mission to the moon and to build a research station there within the next decade, state media reported Wednesday, citing a top space official.
China aims to achieve space superpower status and took a major step towards that goal when it became the first nation to land a rover on the far side of the moon in January.
It now plans to build a scientific research station on the moon's south pole within the next 10 years, China National Space Administration head Zhang Kejian said during a speech marking "Space Day", the official Xinhua news agency reported.
He also added that Beijing plans to launch a Mars probe by 2020 and confirmed that a fourth lunar probe, the Chang'e-5, will be launched by the end of the year.
Originally scheduled to collect moon samples in the second half of 2017, the Chang'e-5 was delayed after its planned carrier, the powerful Long March 5 Y2 rocket, failed during a separate launch in July 2017.
China on Wednesday also announced its Long March-5B rocket will make its maiden flight in the first half of 2020, carrying the core parts of a planned space station.
The Tiangong—or "Heavenly Palace"—will go into orbit in 2022, the China Manned Space Engineering Office said.
It is set to replace the International Space Station—a collaboration between the United States, Russia, Canada, Europe and Japan—which is due to be retired in 2024.
Beijing last week also said it would launch an asteroid exploration mission and invited collaborators to place their experiments on the probe.
The current Chang'e-4 moon lander carried equipment from Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden.
China now spends more on its civil and military space programmes than do Russia and Japan, and is second only to the United States. Although opaque, its 2017 budget was estimated at $8.4 billion by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
phys.org/news/2019-04-china-moon-station-years.html
Crystal
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Post by HAL on Apr 25, 2019 18:25:01 GMT
ZETAR, . .HAL,
I'VE NEVER KNOWN YOU TO SHY AWAY FROM A HEALTHY/PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION....IN LIEU OF YOUR OPENING THE DOOR TO SAME Actually, I was shocked and annoyed at the way Sys had misconstrued virtually every point I was making. But I do think that a rebuttal is the way to go. So I will take the whole post and address it line by line. But first I need to remind you all that the reference to God was to illustrate a point. The point being that the majority of believers do so out of habit, or because they were brought up that way. And taught never to question His existence. Some, like Crystal, have had something happen that reinforces their belief. I think they are in the minority though. Ok, let's get started. Sys. Yes Here I am and Here You Are distorting what I said.. No I didn't distort anything. I said you were mixing up spirituality with religion; there is a difference. If you werent interested in Religion why do you ask Her Why?
You missed out the part where I declare that this question is only a prelude to what I want to discuss. And the point of asking her 'why' is that for anyone to belief anything, they will (must) have a reason for that belief. Crystal kindly gave us her reason. Is I had asked of someone believing in unicorns 'why', there would have been no outcry. No one has ever seen a unicorn, yet some believe in them. It's not what you believe or not believe its what you do with it.
I disagree. What you sincerely believe in indicates the way you think. You don't need to act upon it. . What are you doing with yours? nothing that I can see.
Atheism isn't a belief. it is a conclusion come to after considering all the evidence. There is no evidence that I can find for the existence of God. Note that I am separating the existence of the deity from the religious organisations built around it. . except challenging what the others believe ..some might say stalk..and for what..some sort of perverse pleasure..hanging a head on a trophy wall under the guise of academic inquiry? Is it the atheist form of prosletyzing.. There is no challenge. I would challenge Flat Earthers to provide proof of their belief because I can easily show why they are wrong. But no amount of proof will change their minds. One has to wonder why. I see what she and others do with theirs..endless wonder..sharing experiences..things that make one grow.. inspire to create..to hope again..I also see what people do with their religion. And may it make them happy. Why should I wish otherwise. But I also see the dark side of organised religion. Surely you will not deny there is a very dark side indeed, and there always has been. Islamist are not the only group who used to set fire to people who didn't toe the line. And by the way I said religiosity ..and even God Aversive Atheists like yourself suffer from it..like an element of precult behaviour.I failed (note use of the past tense) to see where you get this idea. Surely you understand that the whole idea of a God is a non event to me. There is no 'there' there ; as they say these days. So I only concern myself with the concept when trying (apparently unsuccessfully at times) to make a point. Maybe the best way to put it is to say that the concept of blasphemy is, to me, an oxymoron. How can one blaspheme against something that isn't there ? why insist ala Doc Dread she explain ..you know well what I'm talking about..what are you frustrated about..what are you afraid of..what are you grappling with?i have no need to grapple with anything in this respect. I expect to die within the next five years. i am already years older than my father was when he died. so I must be about due. When I go it will be an irrelevance whether I believed in God or not. The only hope is that my mind is truly dead when they feed my mortal remains into the fire. What happens after that ? Probably nothing. And I think this is the part where the real truth of the majority of believers shows. They desperately hope for 'another turn around the barrel' in some other life form. And usually they expect to retain all their thoughts etc from the present life. Maybe reincarnated as another human being. I have to admit I don't really fancy that. Maybe I will carry over to some other form. probably without any recollection of what I was in the present life. Who knows ? By the way, I didn't 'insist' that Crystal explain the reason for her belief. Ask. And she kindly responded. You seem to be more wound up about it than she is. why is that ? (sorry, must remember not to ask questions) . her belief or that the sum total of your experiences or lack there of ..really dont add up to much in that logical framework?.Logical ? Because perhaps something transformational happened in their life..something that I can predict with a fair modicum of certainty..will happen to you--albeit--late.. but lucky you when it does.I doubt it will. But you are predicting based on your own belief. . then again you might not...But if Valle is right we are at the very intersection major cultural shocks and changes..historically epic periods..when these these phenomena manifest themselves in a very big way..and not like the military psyop masters programmed us to see them as.So nothing new there. Something fantastic has always been just around the corner. And it just doesn't happen. Reading the last section, it appears that you are awaiting the big reveal. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Anyway, there is one thing that needs to be said. Your post revealed that, sadly, you are very afraid of people who have anything critical to say about your religion. There is nothing unusual about this. And we are fortunate that we live in societies that don't don't kill you after raping your wife and daughters in front of you for not agreeing to every word that the religious people in power insist you believe in. Hmmm. that's sort of appropriate. A huge clap of thunder outside, and the sky is darkening up; going to rain heavily. Takes last look around and heads back into cave; pulling the stone back into place. HAL.
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Post by HAL on Apr 25, 2019 18:31:53 GMT
Maybe I should add that the real question is...
Why do people believe in ufo ?
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 25, 2019 18:43:24 GMT
Maybe I should add that the real question is... Why do people believe in ufo ? HAL. HMMM...
MY GUESS IS THE LOGIC OVERLAPS...No doubt it is because UFO'S move in mysterious ways. SHALOM...Z
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 25, 2019 23:34:39 GMT
ZETAR, . .HAL,
I'VE NEVER KNOWN YOU TO SHY AWAY FROM A HEALTHY/PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION....IN LIEU OF YOUR OPENING THE DOOR TO SAME Actually, I was shocked and annoyed at the way Sys had misconstrued virtually every point I was making. But I do think that a rebuttal is the way to go. So I will take the whole post and address it line by line. But first I need to remind you all that the reference to God was to illustrate a point. The point being that the majority of believers do so out of habit, or because they were brought up that way. And taught never to question His existence. Some, like Crystal, have had something happen that reinforces their belief. I think they are in the minority though. Ok, let's get started. Sys. Yes Here I am and Here You Are distorting what I said.. No I didn't distort anything. I said you were mixing up spirituality with religion; there is a difference. If you werent interested in Religion why do you ask Her Why?
You missed out the part where I declare that this question is only a prelude to what I want to discuss. And the point of asking her 'why' is that for anyone to belief anything, they will (must) have a reason for that belief. Crystal kindly gave us her reason. Is I had asked of someone believing in unicorns 'why', there would have been no outcry. No one has ever seen a unicorn, yet some believe in them. It's not what you believe or not believe its what you do with it.
I disagree. What you sincerely believe in indicates the way you think. You don't need to act upon it. . What are you doing with yours? nothing that I can see.
Atheism isn't a belief. it is a conclusion come to after considering all the evidence. There is no evidence that I can find for the existence of God. Note that I am separating the existence of the deity from the religious organisations built around it. . except challenging what the others believe ..some might say stalk..and for what..some sort of perverse pleasure..hanging a head on a trophy wall under the guise of academic inquiry? Is it the atheist form of prosletyzing.. There is no challenge. I would challenge Flat Earthers to provide proof of their belief because I can easily show why they are wrong. But no amount of proof will change their minds. One has to wonder why. I see what she and others do with theirs..endless wonder..sharing experiences..things that make one grow.. inspire to create..to hope again..I also see what people do with their religion. And may it make them happy. Why should I wish otherwise. But I also see the dark side of organised religion. Surely you will not deny there is a very dark side indeed, and there always has been. Islamist are not the only group who used to set fire to people who didn't toe the line. And by the way I said religiosity ..and even God Aversive Atheists like yourself suffer from it..like an element of precult behaviour.I failed (note use of the past tense) to see where you get this idea. Surely you understand that the whole idea of a God is a non event to me. There is no 'there' there ; as they say these days. So I only concern myself with the concept when trying (apparently unsuccessfully at times) to make a point. Maybe the best way to put it is to say that the concept of blasphemy is, to me, an oxymoron. How can one blaspheme against something that isn't there ? why insist ala Doc Dread she explain ..you know well what I'm talking about..what are you frustrated about..what are you afraid of..what are you grappling with?i have no need to grapple with anything in this respect. I expect to die within the next five years. i am already years older than my father was when he died. so I must be about due. When I go it will be an irrelevance whether I believed in God or not. The only hope is that my mind is truly dead when they feed my mortal remains into the fire. What happens after that ? Probably nothing. And I think this is the part where the real truth of the majority of believers shows. They desperately hope for 'another turn around the barrel' in some other life form. And usually they expect to retain all their thoughts etc from the present life. Maybe reincarnated as another human being. I have to admit I don't really fancy that. Maybe I will carry over to some other form. probably without any recollection of what I was in the present life. Who knows ? By the way, I didn't 'insist' that Crystal explain the reason for her belief. Ask. And she kindly responded. You seem to be more wound up about it than she is. why is that ? (sorry, must remember not to ask questions) . her belief or that the sum total of your experiences or lack there of ..really dont add up to much in that logical framework?.Logical ? Because perhaps something transformational happened in their life..something that I can predict with a fair modicum of certainty..will happen to you--albeit--late.. but lucky you when it does.I doubt it will. But you are predicting based on your own belief. . then again you might not...But if Valle is right we are at the very intersection major cultural shocks and changes..historically epic periods..when these these phenomena manifest themselves in a very big way..and not like the military psyop masters programmed us to see them as.So nothing new there. Something fantastic has always been just around the corner. And it just doesn't happen. Reading the last section, it appears that you are awaiting the big reveal. Maybe you are right, maybe not. Anyway, there is one thing that needs to be said. Your post revealed that, sadly, you are very afraid of people who have anything critical to say about your religion. There is nothing unusual about this. And we are fortunate that we live in societies that don't don't kill you after raping your wife and daughters in front of you for not agreeing to every word that the religious people in power insist you believe in. Hmmm. that's sort of appropriate. A huge clap of thunder outside, and the sky is darkening up; going to rain heavily. Takes last look around and heads back into cave; pulling the stone back into place. HAL. HAL,
SYS HAS BEEN IN THE TRENCHES ON TWITTER...FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT. I'D CUT HIM SOME SLACK. HAVING SAID THAT, I'M QUITE IMPRESSED WITH YOUR CANDID RESPONSE. MOST SOCRATIC IN TONE SHALOM...Z
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