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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 14:58:44 GMT
Am trying to preserve a thread from the old Ufocasebook forum which always intrigued me. Will possibly do the same with other threads as good as possible. Thread started by Slider51 on January 11th in 2008. I'm new to this forum and this is my first post. I had a very strange encounter in 1995 that has been bugging me ever since. I hope to contact others who have had a similar experience to try to make some sense of what took place. I'm a regular person, 53 years old, male, a mechanical engineer in semi-retirement, I own a small business, I'm married with two grown children. I don't make stuff up like this, I have no desire to. It was a beautiful warm sunny July day in '95. I had ridden my motorcycle to the office, and by about noon I couldn't stand being inside anymore so I took the afternoon off and went riding out in the country northeast of Kalamazoo, Michigan. I have a general knowledge of the area, but like alot of people don't know the names of all the back roads around here. I had been riding for about 2 hours enjoying the curvy back roads. What happened next has baffled me ever since. I happened to glance at the clock on my motorcycle gauge cluster, and I noted it 2:00 pm exactly. I remember this because my next thought was "I still have 3 hours left to ride before I need to get home". I came around a large sweeping right-hand curve in an area largely made up of farmer's fields and a few patches of woods. I was probably going about 45 mph. The left side of the road had dense woods right up to the shoulder, and the right side was an open field. Just as I was finishing the curve, I looked up and on the right hand side of the road, off the road about 150 feet in the open area, I saw what appeared to be a very modern, beautiful looking tower-like building. The overall appearance of the "building" was a reactangular base, about 40 feet long and probably 30 feet deep, and about 8-10 feet high, with a 4-cornered diamond-shaped spire or tower about 25 feet wide and 20 feet deep going up from the base. The spire was approximately 50-60 feet tall. Instead of coming to a point, it was cut off at about a 30-degree angle, creating a diamond shaped suface facing me. The structure looked more like a piece of fine furniture or a huge statue or trophy of some kind...there were no shingles, siding, bricks, blocks, or other types of building materials visible. Rather, the structure appeared as sort of a dull metallic gridwork frame, and the entire surface of the structure was covered in large panes of mirrored glass - I actually saw my own reflection, including my motorcycle, reflected in the surface. All the corners were smooth and rounded. The blue sky and white clouds reflected off the spire in a very beautiful, almost magical way. As soon as I saw the "building", a feeling of euphoria went through my body. I remember hearing myself sighing "Wow..." inside my full-face helmet, and a feeling of extreme well-being passed over me as I exhaled slowly and rolled past the building. As I passed, I wanted to turn around and get a second look at the building. Because it is difficult to turn one's head around and look behind on a motorcycle, I continued riding, looking for a place to turn around. About a quarter-mile up the road, I came to an intersection of 5 roads. I stopped, turned around, and was immediately confused as to which road to take. At this point, I glanced at the bike's clock again, and suddenly it was 2:25 pm! I had lost 25 minutes just riding the 1/4 mile or so to the intersection. I took the road that I thought I had ridden there on, but it was the wrong road. I doubled back to the intersection, and took another road, again the wrong one. Only this time, I had started to get a little spooked so I kept riding, and it was a good half-hour before I figured out where I was again. I went back to that area at least 3 more times in the following few weeks to look for the building and that intersection, but I was unable to find either. I have gone back to that area (only about 8-10 miles from my house many times over the last 12 years, but I have never been able to find where I was that day again. I had a lost-time occurence - although I never lost conciousness or so much as blinked, I lost 25 minutes of time. Although the whole encounter plays as a seamless progression in my memory, I feel as though I somehow rode into the scene, was totally engulfed by the beauty of this building and the warm breeze, but was then suddenly deposited somewhere else miles away from where it began. This seems like the only explanation as to why I couldn't simply turn around and ride back to the "building." I don't know if what I saw was a building, a spacecraft, or something else. As I said, it looked more like a giant statue of piece of fine furniture than a true building. But it was huge - 40 feet wide and 50-60 feet tall. I asked around the area, inquiring if anyone else has seen this beautiful building, and nobody has. In fact, a couple of people began ridiculing me when I said I thought it was something not of Earth. Has anyone out there seen anything similar, or heard of other sightings like this? I have been wondering what exactly I was looking at for over 12 years now, and I desperately need to try to get some sort of handle on what too place that day. Slider
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 14:59:21 GMT
Slider, That’s a cool story. I had a similar experience as a child where, to this day, I remembered a specific place that I used to play as a child. A growth of cane in the middle of gully a quarter mile or so from our home. It was in the Big Bend National Park where my father was a US Customs agent. When, as an adult, I mentioned the cane growth to my parents. They had no idea where I was talking about. No one except me remembers the place. Not even my brother, who was 6 at the time. I distinctly, even today, remember running through the cane. It was green, grassy and shady in the interior. I played there all the time. Or so I thought..still think. I went back to the area about 10 years ago. Just after Dina and I got married. I went to the exact same place where we used to live and looked over the bluff where the cane growth was. Or should have been. The raised hill was there , but it was covered with the same kind of desert scrub vegetation as the surrounding area. No sign of cane anywhere. I suppose I could have imagined it. But its not like I was a small child. I was 8 or 9 at the time we were stationed there. I’m 50 now and I still remember that place…even if no one else does. Heck…at least you were an adult when it happened. You can view it through the filter of adulthood and not have to question the validity of a your observational powers as a child. Doesn’t make the memory any less real though. Or the mystery. Raf
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 14:59:47 GMT
Thanks for the reply and for sharing your story, RAF. I agree, it must be very frustrating not to be able to find that place again in the cane, when you know you had been there several times. I don't know if you speak with others about your experience, but I have found that 99% of the people I talk to about what happened to me laugh it off or ridicule me for mentioning it. Thank goodness my wife truly believes me, and she is equally baffled. We have spent hours on numerous Sunday afternoons looking for that place and that building. I realize I will probably never know what actually happened (well, at least not until I die, anyway), but I have to keep searching for answers. Both my wife and I are firm believers in extraterrestrial life and consider others who feel that we are the only life in this entire universe as quite arrogant, if not at least sadly naive. I have just today with this first post actively started to try to investigate what happened to me. I started out by Googling several combinations of the words "UFO appears as a building" or "mysterious building appearances", but I was unable to get any relevant hits. In frustration, I just Googled "UFO Forums" and ended up here. In reading through some of the other posts and other forums, I noticed that the euphoric feeling and feeling of well-being is quite prevalent when alien beings are present. I saw no beings, only this building-shaped craft or whatever. But the euphoric feeling is one of the strongest memories of the experience. I have had one other experience that was quite frightening at the time. I awoke from a sound sleep in our totally dark bedroom with the distinct feeling that my wife and I were not the only ones in the room. I could not move or make any sounds, however...it's as if I was paralyzed and as hard as I tried to speak to wake my wife up, I couldn't move my mouth or make any sounds. I lay there wide awake and paralyzed for what seemed like about 5 minutes. I could move my eyes around, but it was so dark in our room I couldn't see anything. There were no sounds, but I definitely had the feeling that two other beings were standing next to our bed on my side. I finally became so frightened that I just willed myself back to sleep. This incident took place about 2 years after the motorcycle incident, it must have been about 1997. I have told no one else about this other than my wife. I guess I feel that there were two alien beings in the room with us, and they had somehowrendered me paralyzed for some reason. Nothing else took place that night(to my knowledge anyway), and it has never happened again. I'm asking everyone who reads this to help me locate any information on mysterious building-shaped sightings that may exist out there. I can't possibly be the only one that has seen something like this. I was going to post a sketch of the craft along with this, but I decided I would wait in hopes that someone else will come forward who has had a similar experience and is willing to trade sketches without seeing the other first - if the sketches turn out similar, I will know I am speaking with someone else who has actually seen what I saw. ANY help or information at all would be greatly appreciated! I MUST figure out what actually happened to me.... Slider
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:01:33 GMT
Hi Slider, I was most interested to read your story. I am trying to put you in touch with someone in the UK who has had a very similar experience to yours.
Samsara
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:01:57 GMT
HET SLIDER51 AND SAMSARA, MOSY INTERESTING POST AND REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING MORE THAN A SCOUT SHIP. THANKS FOR YOUR SHARING THOSE INTIMATE OBSERVATIONS...NOW THAT'S OUT OF THE WAY...WELCOME TO THE FORUM AND YOU'LL FIND A HOST OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN YOUR PLIGHT. THANKS SAMSARA FOR REACHING OUT TO SLIDER51. I SHALL WELCOME YOU AS WELL...YOUR CARE AND CONCERN LET'S ME KNOW YOU'LL GROW WITH OUR COSMIC CREW JUST FINE...THANKS FOR HELPING AND AGAIN WELCOME. SHALOM...ZETAR
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:02:16 GMT
Slider your story is interesting and thank you for sharing it. One thing that may help is to undergo regression hypnosis. To me it sounds like a possible abduction experience. If I were in your shoes I'd contact someone in the UFO field like Budd Hopkins that believe these abductions do take place. Budd used to practice hypnosis however I don't know if he still does. While reading your story I asked myself: Why didn't he stop if he were mesmerized by the building? My gut feeling is you did. What happened next is anyones guess. But IF you want answers you need someone to take you back to that day under hypnosis. But you will have to decide IF you really want to know the truth? Once that door is open to that days event you want be able to erase from your memory. It could be nothing or it could be overwhelming. Keep us posted and Good Luck! Dan
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:02:41 GMT
To Raf, Samsara, Zetar, and GForce, Thank you all so much for understanding my plight and for your offers of help. It is comforting to finally be able to speak about this (these) incidents with people who are truly open minded and interested. To this point I have only been met with ridicule when relating the experience (other than from my dear wife). I have never actually thought about why I don't think I stopped the motorcycle as I passed the building. In retrospect, I believe that the euphoric feeling was so great that I didn't want to add any change to the progression of events, i.e. I wanted to maintain that wonderful feeling as long as possible. Of course this is just a guess. There still remains 25 minutes of missing time in which anything could have happened. I have thought about hypnotic regression before, but as GForce points out, once that door is open it can't be closed, and I am wrestling with the dilemma of whether I would be better off knowing exactly what happened or better off not knowing what actually took place. I have read many many accounts in the past of people who have gone into deep depression and/or insanity after discovering that they were abducted. Do I really want to know? That is a tough one. I am most interested in communicating with the person in Great Britain with the similar experience, Samsara....please continue your efforts and accept my sincere thanks for them. Slider
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:03:06 GMT
Hi Slider,
I am trying to get the person who had a similar experience to yourself on to this forum, but he is having a few problems accessing the site at the moment. I have sent your account through to him and I am awaiting a reply. I dont want to relate any details of his sighting as I feel it is much better coming straight from him. With regard to the hypnosis issue, my advice would be to tread very carefully. You have a very positive attitude to what you experienced and hypnosis may change that, so why take the chance ? I have a friend who had hypnosis after a sighting she had in 1979, in hindsight she wishes she had not it done. Its something that needs to be thought through very carefully, but I know you are aware of that ....
Samsara
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:03:27 GMT
Hi Samsara and welcome to the forum. I hope your friend stops in, I'd love to hear his story. And if he's having a problem accessing the site maybe we could help him out. Let us know! Dan
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:03:48 GMT
Slider,
A very interesting story. You are among others here who will not question or belittle your experience.
It is a funny thing about us folks who are interested in such things. Where does that interest come from? Our culture certainly does not support such interests. We are ridiculed or marginalized for having them.
So, there must be a reason behind it. I tend to think that a good deal of us either have had experiences which we remember and cannot explain, or we have had experiences which are below our conscious awareness. It is of great amusement to me that the most conventional and blinkered "UFOlogists" are those who have had no experiences at all.
Your experience is unusual. But it must be seen in the context of unusual experiences that many of us have had. I have always had a deep interest in UFOs. When I finally did see one, years after my interest began, I reacted with relief instead of surprise. That was an odd response, I thought.
I had unexplained scars on my hands and troubling fears which led me to seek out answers. My interest took me on a strange path through a pile of paranormal and metaphysical studies. It opened my mind up considerably. I racked my brain trying to remember if I had any wierd cases of missing time and whatnot.
I finally came up with one. I remember a remote dry creek bed where we played as children. One day I rode out there on my bike alone. That was not so unusual. It was early afternoon. The next thing I know, it is getting dark and I know that I am late for dinner and that I will be getting in trouble. Dinner was cold and everybody was finished when I got home. I would not have been willfully late for dinner knowing what trouble this would make for me. So, what happened to my afternoon? It is a blank.
I have done regressive hypnosis. The things that came up for me were deeply troubling. I rejected them and put them out of my mind. At that time, it was the only thing I could do to maintain my sanity.
But I have many years behind me now. I think that perhaps now I would be better able to handle whatever comes up. If you want to know about what happened to you, hypnosis is really the only way to unlock those memories. You need to be prepared for whatever may come up.
But I can tell you one thing for sure: the thirst for knowledge you have now will never be quenched by other people. You cannot "know" anything by what other people tell you. The only real answers you will ever get to these riddles are locked inside of you.
It is up to you whether you want to go there or not. Bon voyage my friend!
Bonehead
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:04:12 GMT
Very Interesting. Im no expert. However I have some suggestions. At first glance a Sunny Day in July 95 suggests a common occurance in Canada Australia , South Africa & Im sure the USA . Namely a Heat induced Mirage of a Silage Tower or Grain Silo. This could be local or many hundreds of miles away. Many accounts of Steam Ships and Paddle steamers were recorded in the Dry Dusty Midwest Plains some originate from the Rivers but many from the Great Lakes. Grain silos and Silage towers are also common.The Glassy effect could be the Mirage warping or a Mirage of a image near to water. Perhaps look on google earth very carefully around the immediate area of your sighting . Make anote of any blacked out bits ( Military ) or any buildings at all. Then contact the County or State office that deals with building, permits, construction ,demolitions , registration etc Check the dates of any constructions . If you cant find any in that area I would suggest a mirage or a dimension interlude. Where by the cloaking camouflage of the object or building comes into view for what ever reason. This could be a test prototype using Tesla Technology or a visitor from another Dimension / World. Are there any Military /Nasa/ Scientific Research Establishments in the area ?
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:04:30 GMT
Thanks for the welcome GForce, great site by the way !! I will try and get my friend on here so he can discuss his sighting. Will let you know if there are any problems.
Samsara
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:04:52 GMT
A comment to Arctuarian Kontact and then some further thoughts... AK, with much respect and thanks for your comments, I must relate that the "mirage" theory you contributed probably does not apply in my sighting, for numerous reasons. Although we ARE in farm country, and several grain and silage silos exist in the area, the shape and texture of the "building" were very far removed from the characteristics of such a silo. The "building" was very geometric in shape, with several facets as opposed to a round tubular structure such as the silos in this area. Next, although very reflective in nature, I do not recall any haziness, distortion, or other characteristics prevalent in heat waves. I have seen dozens of mirages in my lifetime across large fields and also over water. In all cases, the mirage was hundreds or even thousands of meters away. In my sighting, I was without question at most 50 meters away from the object. Although I mentioned a beautiful July day, in Michigan, that most often translates to only the high 70's to low 80's degrees F. If I had to guess, I would say it was approximately 82-84 degrees that day. Also, as I recall there were a few wispy cirrus and cumulo-nimbus clouds in the sky, it was not hazy, but the sun was occasionally covered by clouds and the light filtered by them. Not continuous, direct, beating sunlight as most associated with mirages. In addition, average relative humidity in mid-summer in Michigan ranges anywhere from 20-60%. it is very rarely totally dry or extremely humid,; again conditions which I believe often lead to mirage phenomena. The most prevalent circumstance that leads me to belive that I was not seeing a mirage, however, was the stark clarity of the "building"...detail was very crisp, almost to an exaggerated extent. Recall that I actually saw my own reflection and that of my motorcycle in the "windows"...I could see myself as if I were riding downtown past glass-front buildings. I do not wish to offend you or discount your contribution in any way...again I am most appreciative of your input and you bring a very valid and logical possibility to this discussion; however, in this case the clarity of what I observed all but rules out a mirage. On to some other thoughts I had while working today...it occurs to me that I have numerous questions as to what others on this forum think took place on that day. Simply hearing the theories that others may form after reading my account will go a long way toward helping me develop some form of understanding about my encounter. Would you all respond to the following questions that I suppose I have had for the last 12 years, with your opinions? 1. My motivation for the motorcycle ride that day was that of relieving stress, enjoying the outdoors, enjoying the beautiful weather, and doing something largely devoid of structure. To that end, I had decided to allow myself to become "semi-lost" during the ride. While I wanted to stay within a general area, of which I have a basic knowledge, I very much was simply making turns on a whim - if I approached an intersection and had a choice of turns, I simply turned whichever way I happened to turn...I had no planned route of any kind and did not care to know exactly where I was at any given moment. The question arises then - did I simply happen on an extraterrestrial craft sitting there, or was I somehow being drawn to the craft subconsciously? If I was in fact being beckoned, did that beckoning begin with my early decision to blow off a half-day of work and go riding, or did it begin to occur as I by chance got closer to an already-landed vehicle? What are all your gut-feelings? As for me, I can't answer this question...as a manager-level employee, I took advantage of taking spur-of-the-moment time off quite frequently in the summer time with no repercussions from my employer. I do not, however, recall any specific "beckoning" or other such feeling of being drawn to the country other than to get out of the office for a while. We do, in fact, live "in the country", so it was not a factor of a change of scenery at hand. 2. What are your individual gut feelings as to the nature of the "building" that I saw so clearly...was it a spacecraft, an actual cloaked building, a building that exists in an alternate dimension on that site, a figment of my imagination, what are your thoughts? As to the possibility of it being a cloaked government installation, I can only say it is doubtful to me - while there IS a biological station connected to Michigan State University in the immediate area of this ride, I know of no reason that any buildings or other structures would want to be cloaked - to my knowledge the only research going on in that facility has to do with agriculture and botany, primarily having to do with the study of trees and other large plants. The nearest military installation is the Ft. Custer training facility, engaged in infantry training and accompanied by an Air National Guard wing flying A-10 Warthogs. This base is approximately 20 miles east and 10 miles south of where I was riding that day. The time frame in 1995 was mid-way between the first and second Gulf Wars, and A-10 activity, although commonplace, was most likely limited to routine training missions. Although the elements are there for a covert governemt operation, the timing and nature of the local military activity doesn't seem to be ripe as a factor. 3. The lost time - 25 minutes...other than the actual time lost, I don't get the feeling that I was abducted...it seems more plausible to me that I was an unwelcome visitor happening onto the scene, and was perhaps picked up and transported away from the vicinity, and set down while still riding. Recall my statement of how truly seamless the whole incident seemed. I guess I feel as though I never entered the craft (if that's what it was) or came within close proximity of its occupants; rather, that I was picked up while still seated on my motorcycle, taken a safe distance from the area, and gently set down while still on the move. This thought comes primarily from the odd 5-road intersection I suddenly found myself at. I have studied maps of the area, and there is only one 5-road intersection within 30 miles of this area, and I know that intersection like the back of my hand - I wasn't there. What are your thoughts as to what actually took place during that 25 minutes, and why? What is the significance of the confusing intersection, and where is it? (I have never been able to find it again). 4. (I wonder about this all the time) Am I now "marked" for observation by the ET's in some way? Is the subsequent "visit" to our bedroom two years later connected in some way to my first encounter? Did "they" return to observe me again for some reason? Recall that I never saw or heard aliens in our bedroom...I only felt a strong presence and was both paralyzed and extremely frightened...but to my knowledge neither my wife or I were touched or otherwise molested. And if I am now "marked" in some way, is it likely I have had or will have additional episodes of contact in the future? I realize I sound exactly like the people you hear about on TV who have had contact, but these are true questions that go through my mind all the time. Note - the "building" incident is actually the second encounter with possible extraterresatrials I have had. In approximately 1970 or 71, at about age 17, I was out riding snowmobiles with a brother and a female friend in a rural area south of Kalamazoo. We had stopped the machines late at night in the middle of a large grassy field and were talking in the silence. Suddenly, almost directly over our heads, at an altitude of probably 800-1000 feet, we all saw a bright, "flaming" object simply floating in the air above us. What was unusual about this object is that it appeared to be burning - if I had to guess its size, I would say it was only about 6-8 feet in diameter, slightly egg-shaped with the large end pointing downward, with large orange flames licking up slowly for several feet. Again, the flames were the obvious part - they were quite large and it was as if the core of the object was a highly flammable solid almost like a large wad of paper was on fire...but it sat perfectly still and burned like this for probably 3-4 minutes, then suddenly and completely disappeared. Not like it "burned out", but rather, that it just vanished. So I guess, in actuality, if the burning object was of extraterrestrial nature, I have now had 3 occurances of contact over a period of 46 years. 5. I DO have identical small circular scars on both shin bones, almost exactly half way between my knees and my ankles, that are circular depressions as if made by a small "scoop" device. I don't know when I first noticed these scars, but it WAS after the first contact episode in '95, and I do not have any recollection of having injured myself there. Are these likely scars from tissue sampling by aliens? Is this normally where these scars appear in abduction cases? To conclude this, as you all have gathered, I am full of questions about what has taken place. I realize it is likely that none of you can give me concrete answers as to these occurences, but I am most curious as to where and how my experiences fit in the general knowledge base made up by all of you. Please expound - tell me what you all think happened to me - it can only help. Thank you and my apologies for the rather lengthy post. Slider
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:05:15 GMT
Welcome to Casebook Slider ;D Your account is very interesting. My husband had some time lost while driving on a country road after seeing a UFO that he can only describe as looking like a building in the sky. That happened a long time ago. He found himself arriving at his destination when he should have with no memory of the time passing, or of travelling the distance, but does not to this day know what happened. He was at a stop sign looking at the UFO, then seemingly the next instant he was at his destination. One day we were searching the net and he saw a picture of a UFO that looked just like a building and he became excited and said……that is exactly like the one I saw. I have read of another account where someone was sitting in their office in multi storey building in (I think) the UK and saw a UFO that looked just like a flying building. So it could well have been a UFO that you saw parked. I have read many accounts where people have been led to UFOs…..and I think that is what happened to you. The UFO you saw that looked like it was burning….. my son and I have seen one ourselves last year. It looked like it was on fire and there were sparks coming off it. It was egg shaped. It flew over tree top level and disappeared out of view, heading out to sea. And, I have seen a picture posted a few months back on the front page of Casebook from someone who saw one and got a pic of it. The one we saw looked so hot that it was burning. Gawd I cannot imagine anyone being inside something that hot and survive, although it may not be that hot on the inside….. I wouldn't know. Luvey
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Post by philliman on Apr 10, 2018 15:05:50 GMT
I have had a similar experience with missing time and buildings that are in fact Space / Dimension craft or Space / Dimension Craft that look like buildings !!! Please post here photos of the scoop marks . I took mine with my cell phone. Your DNA has been sampled and most likely stored. You must posses attributes that the Visitors find interesting , useful or purposeful. I am inclined to think that the majority of those that have scoop marks are part of a DNA database. Don't believe the HYPE / Disinfo . If these visitors wanted to extract all your soft tissues and turn you into a laser targeted Surgical cadaver they would have done it by now !!! Remember that European and Japanese Anthropologists took photos measured so called Primitive People took hair, teeth and skin samples from living people from the Amazon, Papua New Guinea , Australia , Africa , India where many were in the Stone age & some were in the Wood Age. We were in fact 40, 000 ahead of the New Guinea tribes. So I think its much the same with Scientific Expeditions from other Dimensions or planets. except I had no pain & my dignity has not been offended. This image appeared underneath a copper bangle . After I had really good sleep I felt like I had been dropped straight through the roof onto my bed as I bounced twice , my whole body bounced twice !!! Which woke me up !! My neighbours house looked like Space craft were landing through the roof. Or should I say a mother ship looked like my neighbours House. This is why I think these objects are trans dimensional. They have the ability to incorporate street lights or even houses to make a new image. Thus even though I was filming an Object over the roof of a neighbours house. Was it my neighbours house or did the object simply create an illusion incorporating the roof of my neighbours house?
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