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Post by nyx on Jun 1, 2018 2:13:20 GMT
The "I-Team" for KLAS-TV Las Vegas, NV found that Harry Reid's 22 million dollars to study UFO's was just a small part of the program. It turns out the money was also spent on the study of poltergeists, other dimensions, spirits, ghosts, strange animals, orbs, human behavior, human injuries, etc. Bigelow believed that UFOs distorted human perception. You never know about 'black" programs. www.newsweek.com/pentagon-ufo-program-disclosure-aliens-poltergeist-top-secret-bigelow-948051
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Post by purr on Jun 2, 2018 13:35:53 GMT
The "I-Team" for KLAS-TV Las Vegas, NV found that Harry Reid's 22 million dollars to study UFO's was just a small part of the program. It turns out the money was also spent on the study of poltergeists, other dimensions, spirits, ghosts, strange animals, orbs, human behavior, human injuries, etc. Bigelow believed that UFOs distorted human perception. You never know about 'black" programs. www.newsweek.com/pentagon-ufo-program-disclosure-aliens-poltergeist-top-secret-bigelow-948051Don't know how reliable that article source is, Nyx, but to me this sounds about right: UFOs are a Big subject imo extending way beyond observing a strange object in our skies or near space. I strongly suspect the Unidentified Flying Object designation from about mid 20th century onward was 'officially' adopted with the intent to discourage us advancing from object sightings to investigating who caused that UFO, what was on their mind while doing it.
I read Hunt for the Skinwalker, reporting on Bigelow's research project at the Skinwalker Ranch. Highly recommend it! Goings on over there strongly indicate the UFO phenomenon is objective reality, but also that the apparent mind behind it is weird beyond imagination. Including paranormal / crypto zoological phenomena (say Bigfoot and 'bulletproof' Direwolf encounters). Including advanced nuts and bolts aviation and propulsion tech resembling flying refridgerators and compact stealth aircraft (the stuff Bigelow hoped to harvest!). Including the normality of our everyday human lives, like those farmer families tending to ranch lands and meat cattle (yet having to deal with sumtin entirely different).
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Post by bonehead on Jun 2, 2018 16:18:45 GMT
Good find Nyx! Finally, out of all of DeLonge's long promised revelations, something substantive, or at least beyond the same crap different day "revelations", emerges.
Yeah, the "nuts and bolts" types will find this story detrimental to their belief systems. But I have been advocating all along that there is more to the UFO phenomenon than just metallic spaceships from Zeta-Reticuli. Like it or not, the whole UFO experience is a dialog. It contains elements of both observer and observed. All UFO experiences become smeared with the subjective detritus of the mind of the observer. You cannot separate the observed from the observer. There is a symbiotic relationship between the two things. Tell me if these comments begin to sound familiar. They are only the kind of things I had been posting on this board years ago. Some folks gave Bigelow millions to say what I had been saying for years. Hey, where is my cut of the long ducats? .....
How else can you explain the "airship" reports of the 1890s? Actual airships were still mere dreams in the minds of men at the time. And despite the descriptions of the sightings sounding like Victorian airships, they acted in ways that belied that description: Even in human fantasies airships did not "take off like a shot from a gun" (as reported in one or more airship sightings).
I know all the "nuts and bolts" folks and dyed in the wool "rational materialists" (read scientific types) will find this upsetting. But their epistemological viewpoint is only superstition anyway.
I am not ready to call DeLonge a hero yet. But this is all inching in the right direction. Well for everybody except the status quo......
But I kinda figured that from the get-go.
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Post by nyx on Jun 3, 2018 2:33:37 GMT
This same I-Team claims that the 2004 Nimitz group was harassed by a UFO for days on end.
So what was that all about?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 9:31:07 GMT
Actually..The Ranch is a lot bigger than you Think.. and Scientic American Confirmed it..
Of course we all knew this years and years ago on old UCB..,,but now that its gone we cant prove it..its like it never existed..but I digress..these phenomena are real....but this new development is mindboggling...that we can alter reality..skip to 49 if you want to sjkip the science demos..
however this gets into intentionality and affecting this reality..and who is already well versed in this? The dark Occult..secret societies and voila..the intelligence communities..and are investing full retard not just in social platforms and games.. but this which was discussed by ex mi6 chief Richard Dearlove..Same way Gen Patraeus became a consultant and pushing the Internet of All Things..
Andreessen Horowitz general partner Chris Dixon, who invested in the likes Oculus, Soylent and BuzzFeed, will be joining the Improbable board. Praising the team the company has built based primarily on small seed financing, Dixon writes in a blog post that the investment firm is "thrilled " to partner with Improbable on its mission "to develop and populate simulated worlds". "Improbable's technology solves the parallelisation problem for an important class of problems: anything that can be defined as a set of entities that interact in space. This basically means any problem where you want to build a simulated world," he writes.
Creating these intricate worlds poses massive technical challenges, but so does distributing them. Learning how to best distribute simulations of this scale across thousands of servers in real time is one of the company's aims. It also hopes to hide operational complexity from developers, in order to make it easy and financially viable to build these worlds. The company said it will continue its partnerships with carefully selected game studios that are helping test the boundaries of Improbable's technology.
its no accident these people would lose power if average citizens suddenly started altering realities and are rushing to id every single person..make sure they are chipped plugged in and monitored..While Bigelow ranch maybe just a spot where whats in the occupants minds are amplified or distorted and manifested..there seems to be fake push by DOD connected folx to stick to nuts and bults ufos and entities disconnected from us..it's obvious imo..we are the real source of the phenomena..or at least a lot closer to the the "god Power" than they want us to believe or find out..
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Post by nyx on Jun 3, 2018 14:51:55 GMT
A strange poltergeist joined our family when my kids were young, and once in a blue moon it still shows up.
But this poltergeist is eccentric because this spirit likes to take screws out of furniture, so I think this spirit is missing some cards in its deck.
So we have a stupid poltergeist.
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Post by bonehead on Jun 3, 2018 16:14:34 GMT
This same I-Team claims that the 2004 Nimitz group was harassed by a UFO for days on end. So what was that all about? Nyx, I assume this comment was aimed at me?
Well there is the head scratcher. How do you correlate an agency that may not be material with objects that appear in our world and leave indications of a material nature? The material and the immaterial do not seem compatible - at least to our thinking. This is where creative thinking is called for.
The implication of this article is that the field of the so called "paranormal" is just as real as the material world. This is the part where science fails to make the connections. Of course, I have said all along that the "paranormal" was a false concept from the beginning. There is no "paranormal". The things given that label are 'real' in the same sense that matter is 'real'. They are all projections of consciousness.
But, the difficulty of visits from an agency outside our material reality must be considered to understand how this phenomenon interacts with us. For the sake of argument, if you were not material, how would you interact with us lowly material beings? There are two primary ways: you come to us materially, so that you can be "witnessed" in the material world we are familiar with. In the material world, you cannot see or interact with beings that lack materiality. So, the material element must be fabricated to appear in our world. In other words, the immaterial must be given a material avatar, a conscious construct to appear in our reality: that would be a nominally material object that has origins in the immaterial. Its materiality is not "what it is" but merely a constructed convenience fabricated for the purpose of interacting with us in the world of our physical senses.
The second way they could interact with us is directly through our consciousness. That is, the consciousness is manipulated to give us the impression of interaction in our material world - or as many witnesses suggest, in a parallel reality that intersects our own.
Either way, the implication is that the interaction is not only deliberate and calculated, but has practical difficulties for the agency making them. That would mean that the interaction is not just wanted, but that such an agency has gone to a great deal of trouble just to make us aware of their presence. That is true whether you believe they are real material beings in spaceships, or you believe they are merely "hallucinations" inserted into our minds (or mental fabrications created from the detritus in our own minds, such as Victorian steampunk airships).
UFO evidence suggests that both types of experiences happen to witnesses. But, of course, this puts questions of what is "real" beyond the scope of a rational-materialist science which, superstitiously, believes only in the "reality" of matter. Quantum physics has suggested from the beginning that matter is not primary or "real" in the sense that science believes it to be. But scientists that still insist that there must be some "God particle" that will explain the emergence of materiality to them, are merely in denial of the actual implications of quantum behavior. They are wrong, they just don't recognize it yet.
Yes, arcane I know. But hopefully that helps to explain how I see the whole thing. Apparently the folks working with Bigelow think the same thing. Which makes me think that I have been right about this stuff for quite some time now. Sadly, that fact and several dollars will get me a cup of java at Starbucks. And not much else......
Sometimes being right is no reward at all.....
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Post by nyx on Jun 3, 2018 17:02:03 GMT
Well Bonehead, According to released Pentagon papers, this UFO was present for six days. www.thesun.co.uk/news/6390043/tic-tac-ufo-us-aircraft-carrier-pentagon-report/So was this an image that was put in these sailors minds, and this UFO was not really real, or was it real after all? Are UFOs ideas programed into human minds by some unknown force? Is this the same unknown responsible for all paranormal events?
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Post by HAL on Jun 3, 2018 19:48:10 GMT
Bonehead, So, you still believe it is all in the mind ? HAL
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Post by swamprat on Jun 3, 2018 21:40:36 GMT
Uh oh! Billy's gettin' frustrated again! DeVoid
Wrung out & wastedPosted on June 2, 2018 by Billy Cox
Go back to sleep, newshound, you’ve had a busy six months, fella/CREDIT: uglyoverload.blogspot.com
Look, I’m not even gonna bother with Newsweek’s latest attempt to cover the Pentagon’s UFO program. Some dingbat headline writer surprised the world, including the Defense Department, by announcing the Defense Department had investigated a “Poltergeist Connection” to the “Alien Mystery.” And the reporter lost me in the second graph when he referred to Richard Bigelow, not Robert.
God knows, De Void makes mistakes aplenty, but Newsweek has demonstrated such a consistent pattern of ineptitude when it approaches The Great Taboo it’s like watching Inspector Clouseau in a shootout with Pablo Escobar. The only thing it didn’t totally screw up was its takedown of the hapless Mutual UFO Network in April. But that was like burning ants with a magnifying glass – not very sporting.
Now, the Washington Post, on the other hand – watching WaPo drop the ball on UFOs this week with its regressive formula spin is to understand it doesn’t have a clue about how to push this conversation forward. Let’s start with the headline, in toto: “UFOs are suddenly a serious news story. You can thank the guy from Blink-182 for that.”
If by “suddenly” it means six months ago then, yeah OK, that adverb’s solid gold. As for “the guy from Blink-182” – spoiler alert: Tom DeLonge’s involvement with The Great Taboo has been out there since, well, at least since WaPo did a spread on Tom DeLonge’s involvement with The Great Taboo in March 2017. But you’d never guess that from this week’s Captain Obvious Award winner. Here’s the WaPo’s idea of a provocative setup:
“You’ve seen it without knowing it.” I have? Really? Me? “Remember that wild news in December about a secret Pentagon UFO program?” Welllll, now that you mention it … “And those grainy military videos showing radar images of unexplained phenomena – white, Tic-Tac-shaped objects that appear to fly at remarkable speeds, at impossible angles, without wings or exhaust?” Yes! Yessir I do! Got my earson now, bruh, bring it! “Tom DeLonge helped ring the alarm about those things, as part of his new business venture: To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science.” Oh. We’re having stale bread. Again. Good. We were almost ready to give up hope.
You know, maybe if I lived in Yemen or Pyongyang, or if I couldn’t leech off magazines like Billboard and Mother Jones, I might be a little more appreciative of these patronizing leftovers. After all, let’s face it, six months have passed since The New York Times broke the story about the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), and we’re still waiting for a meaningful followup. Despite the fact that we readers are losing interest in damn near everything these days, our attention spans are collapsing, and our memory-retention lights are flashing red.
But here’s the part of the headline an editor should’ve deleted altogether – “a serious news story.” Really? Leaving the frontier for the clogged double lanes at the drive-thru is serious? Reporter Dan Zak lets ‘er rip — “the subject carries the odor of crazy” — and quotes oft-quoted usual suspects SETI evangelist Jill Tartar and Skeptical Inquirer mainstay Robert Sheaffer. Sheaffer’s as reliable as gravity when it comes to dissing “a couple more blurry videos that are similar to the blurry videos we’ve had before this.”
But the real disappointment: The Times worked the 12/16/17 AATIP coup with two Pulitzer Prize-winning bylines, Helene Cooper and Ralph Blumenthal. The Post put its own Pulitzer pedigree, Joby Warrick, on the story and published the same day. It looked like an old-fashioned newspaper war was shaping up.
Crickets ever since.
Here’s the deal. Forget about UFOs shadowing naval exercises off the coast of California. What nobody wants to talk about is nuclear weapons. Or, more specifically, UFOs’ ability to operate unchallenged in restricted airspace over U.S. missile fields in the Northern Plains. That, plus our inability to stop it. That’s the story nobody’s writing. De Void’s wishful thinking: Maybe the media are being patriotic by not telling Little Rocket Man just how porous our sovereign skies are. But they are. And they’ve been that way for a long time.
Many of the veterans who’ve gone on record only after years of separation from the military are dying off. Are UFOs continuing to keep tabs on our WMD? The only researcher actively trying to find out is author Robert Hastings. The military doesn’t issue press releases on this stuff, and the media won’t even address data that’s been languishing for decades in the public domain. The story isn’t dead, just ignored.
One thing we know for sure is, the UFOs haven’t gone away. But if the corporate newshounds decide to put the nuke angle on the table, I promise to replace the butt-ugly dog photo up there with something less offensive. And trust me, folks, it’ll be very very incredible, that I can tell you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 23:41:50 GMT
Who knows what happens to your mind after its expiration date..we are all in one big bionet..that makes the cloud a small puddle in its surface..some memories maybe persistent more than others.some energies nay be symbiotic or parasitic..we are like walking batteries that my activate certain parts that replay or allow themselves to project into your head or affect externally something in the environment..the field around you..but its all to some degree interactive..we ascribe qualities to phenomena based on our own biases of good and evil..whatever may have similar biases ..it's good to understand these things..but as far as broadcast to the cosmos here we are is the dumbest thing we could ever do and a guaranteed way to extinction. Let's remove our manipulators and techno mages and liars that work for them before we invite others from afar.
But as far as Harry Reid..If he can persuade you to by a russian hoax..and a fake Dossier..well..not even the sky is the limit..
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Post by bonehead on Jun 4, 2018 16:16:55 GMT
Bonehead, So, you still believe it is all in the mind ? HAL Hal,
If you read my post, you would realize that i do not think it is all in the mind. Never did. There is an "outside agency" involved. I believe that some encounters are material and some are not. Both types of encounters occur in the UFO mythos. Most abductions would fall into the immaterial category. But there are definitely material objects interacting with witnesses as well as the more ephemeral elements. How else do you explain radar readings, electro-magnetic effects or landing traces?
I am not sure why you think I believe that. I never said it was either this or that.
I believe the mind is primary to experience. But that is not the same as saying everything is in the mind....nyx Avatar Jun 3, 2018 10:02:03 GMT -7 nyx said: Well Bonehead, According to released Pentagon papers, this UFO was present for six days. www.thesun.co.uk/news/6390043/tic-tac-ufo-us-aircraft-carrier-pentagon-report/So was this an image that was put in these sailors minds, and this UFO was not really real, or was it real after all? Are UFOs ideas programed into human minds by some unknown force? Is this the same unknown responsible for all paranormal events? In this case, it does seem to be a material object - it left radar traces. If you read my last post you would see that I suggest that some objects are material, some not. There may even be a third kind that is something in between. I think it is a mistake to think that they are only one thing or the other. I do not. Sometimes UFOs are ideas programmed into human minds by an unknown agency. Sometimes they are not.
I also explained my view of the "paranormal". I do not think there is any such thing. "Paranormal" events are NORMAL. It is rational materialism that created this false category. Just because an experience lacks materiality does not mean it is "fake" or "unreal". It only means that it is not a material experience! We all have experiences that are immaterial. Those experiences are no less real than matter. It is a scientistic superstition that only matter is real. I do not subscribe to that epistemology, even though it is the predominant belief of our culture.
I hope that explains things. It is just me thinking outside the box and questioning the status quo. That is how i roll......
Bonehead
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Post by HAL on Jun 4, 2018 21:08:34 GMT
Bonehead,
I read you post. in fact I read it more than once to try to drill down to how you were seeing things.
..I also explained my view of the "paranormal". I do not think there is any such thing. "Paranormal" events are NORMAL. It is rational materialism that created this false category. Just because an experience lacks materiality does not mean it is "fake" or "unreal". It only means that it is not a material experience! We all have experiences that are immaterial. Those experiences are no less real than matter.
A contradiction; surely.
If it is not a material where is it happening ?
HAL
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Post by bonehead on Jun 5, 2018 15:53:19 GMT
Bonehead, I read you post. in fact I read it more than once to try to drill down to how you were seeing things. ..I also explained my view of the "paranormal". I do not think there is any such thing. "Paranormal" events are NORMAL. It is rational materialism that created this false category. Just because an experience lacks materiality does not mean it is "fake" or "unreal". It only means that it is not a material experience! We all have experiences that are immaterial. Those experiences are no less real than matter.A contradiction; surely. If it is not a material where is it happening ? HAL Sorry Hal,
Maybe I am just a dunce, but I do not see any contradiction here.
Just to be clear: "paranormal" is a category created by materialists in which to place human experiences that are immaterial in nature. These would include things like ghosts, hands-on-healing, spiritualism, clairvoyance, ESP, and yes, even bigfoot and UFOs in some cases. Where do people experience these things? In the same world we all experience things. But since these things are immaterial in nature, there are no material proofs for their occurrence.
Because of the lack of unequivocal material proofs for these things, science sequesters them into a false category (supernatural, paranormal) and suggests there is no reality to them whatsoever. If that were true, why do people persist in having such experiences. Are they all crazy? Are they just ignorant buffoons having "hysterical" experiences that are all in their heads?
Remember, the witnesses have these experiences, not the so called "scientists" that say they are all illusions or mundane things. "You know, it wasn't anything weird, it was the planet Venus." You and I know that such declarations are (usually) utter BS. Stuff happens. Just because you cannot prove it in a material sense does not mean it is "unreal". Human experiences occur in our material world but not all human experiences fit into the false materialist category of "real" (that is, with provable material underpinnings).
I would declare that, in a quantum reality where Niels Bohr states that "everything we call real is made up of things that cannot be considered real", the materialist definition of "real" is a false notion to begin with. The Hindu Vedas, since time immemorial, have declared that the material world is a world of illusion. In fact this correlates precisely with the findings of quantum mechanics. Sorry, but this requires thinking outside the box of status quo belief to make any sense of it. That is why quantum physics has been so difficult for science to get a grasp on. It contradicts many of the very conceptual models that make up the scientific method. And, as i stated above, physicists that continue to look to particle physics for a "God Particle" to explain the emergence of matter to them, are simply in denial of the actual implications of quantum mechanics.
The implications of quantum mechanics are that matter is not primary. Matter is only a secondary outgrowth of conscious attention. That is why subatomic particles only appear to those who choose to measure them as particles! Decide to measure them as waves and no particles appear. The particle is the result of how the physicist chooses to think about things. So, where is the reality in that?
It is in the consciousness of the observer, which is primary. The consciousness determines quantum outcomes. Matter is the ephemeral and consciousness is the primary. Science, in its denial, believes it is the other way around. Thus they look for ever more phantom particles (which I must point out, nobody has seen!) that never get them any closer to explaining things. That is why I believe the Hadron collider is nothing more than a huge multi-billion dollar cathedral to the religion of rational materialism.
If you think about it they way I do, there is no contradiction. But you have to let go of those materialist notions of "real" being a result of materiality. Niels Bohr did. So did I. I hope that helps....
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Post by HAL on Jun 5, 2018 21:14:03 GMT
..Just to be clear: "paranormal" is a category created by materialists in which to place human experiences that are immaterial in nature..
I would contend that they use the word 'paranormal' to hint at the existence of a parallel reality.
Something that is 'probably' there but that we do not (yet) have a means of accessing.
If you take, say, the human body and keep on reducing it you go down through the layers until you get to the Quarks.
All atoms reduce to this level (and below).
SO, as atoms are mostly nothing in that the space between the Protons, Neutrons and Electrons is far greater than the constituent parts, you can indeed say that we only exist as a collection of squiggly waves given mass by the Higgs Boson; the 'God Particle ' you were alluding to.
The question becomes 'what is organising these squigglies into us ?
And does this organiser itself have a reality.
.. But you have to let go of those materialist notions of "real" being a result of materiality. ..
So, when the planes hit the twin towers nothing really happened because there was no real material planes or towers ?
It was all a figment of some imagination.
HAL
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