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Post by purr on Aug 18, 2021 6:34:44 GMT
I'LL SHOW YOU MINE IF YOU'LL SHOW ME YOURS
Starting off with a quick sidestep, this is a forever lost thread I've deeply mourned. I actually wrote it about a week ago, tried posting it and while frantically thumbing my smartphone (normal behavior and energy for me when creating new threads, it's a bit like Vincent van Gogh cutting of an ear between paintings ) I was about to enter sumtin sweet and beautiful (100% subjective judgement: could range from ALMOST pure art to a loon's gibbering - case of READER DECIDE) into the forum and one of my thumbs must have slid off center and I ended up on another UCB page. Tried to return to that precious text window, and couldn't. Wholly Furtive Crab!! Gone POOF gone... I suffered. I was in pain.
Can't recreate what I wrote that day. So I'm changing direction and would like to ask you to help out. Let's have a conversation: if you happen to hold a theory of everything (UFO & Alien-wise) of your own, please tell, add it here. I'm very interested.
I'll go first. When I picture human-alien origins / first contact we go back at least 350,000 years, mere cosmic minutes ago in our unimaginably vast and old universe. In that live-and-let-die Darwin's Earth, including hominids and primates, potential ancestors to today's primates, one of thousands sentient Aliens engaged in genetic engineering, selected a particularly promising personable pet from pre-human earthly species and added a gene package taking from their own genome. They became our Parents. They have been lookin in on how we've been doing ever since (as have countless other curious or opportunistic galactic/dimensional 'neighbors'). Today we wonder what these unidentified flying objects are: imo just the parents and neigbors looking in on us youngsters.
Mind you, some of the neighbors are a nasty piece of work. They're profoundly hostile, like demons.
Some have been like a traveling theater: playing the part of God. We might thank them (or resent them) for contributing to our spirituality, our religions and thinking about God, what he/she/it/they would be really like. Nice... and Fair (if actually existing), but very unlikely to be flying/descending through our atmosphere to impress the natives, because true God is... Everywhere.
Now and then contact is made by normal people. Zipped down just to have a chat. Why not. This makes sense if NOT ALL OF THEM ARE STRANGERS, but in fact ancient Family.
So, what in my view holds their interest? First of all: friends. Contact between aliens and humans is very much up close and personal. Secondly the endlessly repeating cycles each new version of Humanity experiences as their History and the End of the World. I suspect there was an earlier version of human civilization before the approximate 12,000 years Before Present mark, and one before that and so on. And between versions of Mankind, each spanning many thousands of years, these guys go to work. Do STUFF. Like telling the biblical shipwright Noah about 11,500 yrs BP to go and build a big ship on a dry elevation. Crazy.
"If you build it they will come..."
purr
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Post by ZETAR on Aug 18, 2021 11:30:14 GMT
PURR,
HOW REFRESHING!
"I'll go first. When I picture human-alien origins / first contact we go back at least 350,000 years, mere cosmic minutes ago in our unimaginably vast and old universe. In that live-and-let-die Darwin's Earth, including hominids and primates, potential ancestors to today's primates, one of thousands sentient Aliens engaged in genetic engineering, selected a particularly promising personable pet from pre-human earthly species and added a gene package taking from their own genome. They became our Parents. They have been lookin in on how we've been doing ever since (as have countless other curious or opportunistic galactic/dimensional 'neighbors'). Today we wonder what these unidentified flying objects are: imo just the parents and neigbors looking in on us youngsters." CERTAINLY DA VINCI UNDERSTOOD YOUR SEASONED INSIGHT(S)! ALAS...
Let's have a conversation:
LET'S ~ IF "one of thousands sentient Aliens engaged in genetic engineering" AND IF...SUCH GENETIC CODE WAS DERIVED FROM THEIR PARTICULAR SPECIES ~ WOULD SUCH INTIMATE THAT QUANTUM ENTAGLEMENT ( THE A,B,C,s) OF TELEPATHY WOULD PROVIDE AN AVENUE OF COMMUNICATION REGARDLESS OF TIME, SPACE, DISTANCE? SINCE AS YOU HAVE ASTUTELY OPINED...
"Now and then contact is made by normal people. Zipped down just to have a chat. Why not. This makes sense if NOT ALL OF THEM ARE STRANGERS, but in fact ancient Family."
John Edward Mack M.D. Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, and a leading authority on the spiritual or transformational effects of alleged alien abduction experiences.
Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens (1994)
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_E._Mack
"Abductees," Eva said, "are souls that have, for their individual purposes and reasons, chosen the probability of physical form." But through their experiences they are "regaining their memory of source . . . The process of abduction is one form of such, of regaining memory." The abduction "experience itself," Eva said, "is a mechanism to remove" the "structures that impede the reconnection with source," and to purify the physical vehicle in such a way to serve to regain better memory and to bring knowledge to others."
"between versions of Mankind, each spanning many thousands of years, these guys (ENTITIES) go to work"
SHALOM...Z
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Post by purr on Aug 19, 2021 16:07:23 GMT
PURR,
HOW REFRESHING!
"I'll go first. When I picture human-alien origins / first contact we go back at least 350,000 years, mere cosmic minutes ago in our unimaginably vast and old universe. In that live-and-let-die Darwin's Earth, including hominids and primates, potential ancestors to today's primates, one of thousands sentient Aliens engaged in genetic engineering, selected a particularly promising personable pet from pre-human earthly species and added a gene package taking from their own genome. They became our Parents. They have been lookin in on how we've been doing ever since (as have countless other curious or opportunistic galactic/dimensional 'neighbors'). Today we wonder what these unidentified flying objects are: imo just the parents and neigbors looking in on us youngsters." CERTAINLY DA VINCI UNDERSTOOD YOUR SEASONED INSIGHT(S)! ALAS...
Let's have a conversation:
LET'S ~ IF "one of thousands sentient Aliens engaged in genetic engineering" AND IF...SUCH GENETIC CODE WAS DERIVED FROM THEIR PARTICULAR SPECIES ~ WOULD SUCH INTIMATE THAT QUANTUM ENTAGLEMENT ( THE A,B,C,s) OF TELEPATHY WOULD PROVIDE AN AVENUE OF COMMUNICATION REGARDLESS OF TIME, SPACE, DISTANCE? SINCE AS YOU HAVE ASTUTELY OPINED...
"Now and then contact is made by normal people. Zipped down just to have a chat. Why not. This makes sense if NOT ALL OF THEM ARE STRANGERS, but in fact ancient Family."
John Edward Mack M.D. Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, and a leading authority on the spiritual or transformational effects of alleged alien abduction experiences.
Abduction: Human Encounters With Aliens (1994)
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_E._Mack
"Abductees," Eva said, "are souls that have, for their individual purposes and reasons, chosen the probability of physical form." But through their experiences they are "regaining their memory of source . . . The process of abduction is one form of such, of regaining memory." The abduction "experience itself," Eva said, "is a mechanism to remove" the "structures that impede the reconnection with source," and to purify the physical vehicle in such a way to serve to regain better memory and to bring knowledge to others."
"between versions of Mankind, each spanning many thousands of years, these guys (ENTITIES) go to work"
SHALOM...Z
...Meet the Parents...
SAYING HI TO THE VISITORS
Thanks, ZETAR, and indeed as you allude quoting from the investigations of prof Mack: it's all about "regaining memory". And it's too short term for you or me to remember our life, our childhood, the stories of parents and grandparents, a few of us even retained memories of being in the womb, and glimpses of one or more previous lives, but such amazing feats of the mind still fall short of 'remembering' where we, human beings, came from.
To me UFOs, strange Visitors from wherever, could serve as a prompt, a jolt to Mankind's collective memory. Sumtin to REFRESH OUR MEMORY. Let's go for the Big UFO TOE, by bringing some visitors together.
My model started with an Alien/ET faction of vistors who genetically modified a primate/hominid's/early human's offspring, combining that earthly pre-human's heritable traits with their own. Meet the Parents.
We know what's up there: the vastness of space, the Cosmos.
Here's another Visitor from the heavens: God. Surely there are a great many Gods who 'fit the bill', as recorded in religious writings, seen to wondrously traverse the skies, descending to set down their ship, make contact with human witnesses, who then best they can report what they saw and heard and experienced and lo and behold a FAITH is born. In the Torah, the sacred book of the Jews, for example there's YHVH (Jahweh) who makes his way down, even enters into a lasting covenant, engaging Jewish Patriarch Abraham's tribe, while appearing to fly in something akin to a burning oven/furnace (stories of Abraham, Moses) or a humongous 'living' wheel on its side (description by Ezekiel) the size of say an apartment block.
Religious scholars say then when God is seen in physical form, this is never who he truly is. Image: my impression of YHVH's furnace-like transport resting on Jabal al-Laws summit.
Now I do not mean any disrespect. Nor am I saying the God of Faith does not exist. All I'm submitting for all readers' consideration is that True God Omnipresent has no business flying 'ovens' or biggo flying saucers into Earth atmosphere to make his acquaintance. Because we all know what's up there: not God's Heavenly Abode like we may have learned from Judaeo-Christian tradition, but the vastness of space, the Cosmos. Any Visitor flying into our atmosphere I dare call a Cosmic Visitor.
A possible solution to this apparent contradiction between the religious experiencers and incongruous nature of God's flight trajectory might be offered by Jewish scholars and Christian theologians. The idea that when we see God appear in physical form, this is never who/what he really is, but a representation of God. This notion opens the way to acknowledging that the Visitors were just ordinary blokes (for the most part, some were female, some were beyond weird), yet in some extraordinary encounters THEY MADE US THINK OF GOD. Jumpstarted a million baby-steps towards today when nearly 90% of Mankind holds often heartfelt beliefs in a Higher Being.
To end this part. I'm not singling out YHVH, my contention that a flying descent does not match up well with Divinity, but instead indicates entry from space, applies to all religious lore describing flying deities. Also, if you were wondering, YHVH/Jahweh makes an intricate and fascinating claim (Book of Genesis) of being our Parent who molded us (combining pre-existing matter with the creative force), while declaring war (this is the fascinating part) on those who descend to earth's surface aka 'the Fallen' who in Genesis ch. 6 are said to have relations with human females, causing a malignant corruption of man's bloodlines. Simply: YHVH is not gonna let any body mess with his kids' genes and get away with it.
ZETAR, I should not be surprised that when you propose... "IF...SUCH GENETIC CODE WAS DERIVED FROM THEIR PARTICULAR SPECIES ~ WOULD SUCH INTIMATE THAT QUANTUM ENTAGLEMENT ( THE A,B,C,s) OF TELEPATHY WOULD PROVIDE AN AVENUE OF COMMUNICATION REGARDLESS OF TIME, SPACE, DISTANCE?" your mind seems to have penetrated to the very heart of this conundrum. YES if they're our parents, having shared their own genome to formulate ours. I suspect that (if I'm barking up the right genetic tree here) we in many ways have become our parents PLUS reading the holy books that captured God's thoughts PLUS observing our universe through the prism of faith, thus seeing reality extend far beyond what we can know/perceive THEREFORE these most extraordinary Visitors are on our minds as we are on theirs. THEY DID THAT, ON PURPOSE, OF COURSE.
purr
The Book of Genesis describes YHVH sending a terrible flood that covered mountains
as punishment for the genetic corruption of Mankind, saving only Arkbuilder Noah's pure bloodline.
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Post by ZETAR on Aug 19, 2021 21:41:07 GMT
PURR,
HMMM...SURPRISED NOT! YOU'VE FURTHER DRILLED DOWN TO THE HEART AND SOUL any body
SHALOM...Z
EDIT TO ADD:
"Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account." Hebrews 4:13
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Post by ZETAR on Aug 19, 2021 22:40:33 GMT
SHALOM...Z
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Post by purr on Aug 19, 2021 23:20:36 GMT
SHALOM...Z It took me about 5 minutes to get it... and then I was laughing for another 5...! I hope that is the right tree. Did you get secret footage from (just before) the Roswell crash, that saucer pilot has a bit of a w-w-wobble about him? And now there's a very serious even perilous item coming up. Already mentioned it in passing: some Aliens resemble Demons. purr
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Post by ZETAR on Aug 20, 2021 1:24:19 GMT
SHALOM...Z It took me about 5 minutes to get it... and then I was laughing for another 5...! I hope that is the right tree. Did you get secret footage from (just before) the Roswell crash, that saucer pilot has a bit of a w-w-wobble about him? And now there's a very serious even perilous item coming up. Already mentioned it in passing: some Aliens resemble Demons. purr
"that saucer pilot has a bit of a w-w-wobble about him"
BUT OF COURSE...
SHALOM...Z
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Post by purr on Aug 30, 2021 18:56:48 GMT
THE STORY OF THE FALLEN ONES WHO MAKE OTHERS FALL aka A CLOSE ENCOUNTER OF THE 5TH KIND The Fallen Ones descended on a previous Mankind, one that lived before our Human History, and THEY NEVER LEFT.
These "fallen ones" of course are my preferred translation of the Nephilim, physically characterized in the New King James Version, Genesis 6:1-7 as 'Giants', yet derived from the Hebrew root 'Nephyl' meaning (off the top of my head) 'to fall' or 'to fell'. Imo the Nephilim designation suggests an extraordinary origin and essential nature associated with the mysterious Visitors from biblical times: They fell from the heavens to descend on Earth surface. From their nefarious nature, they began to spread evil cultures and demonstrated the capability to strike down anyone who stood in their way. Think of them as amazing beautiful Entities, as Angels, as Sons of Yahweh, as (indeed, applying to some of them) high rise tall Giants, as fear/respect/loyalty inspiring Heroes, as great and revered Kings leaving their indelible mark, conceivably even GENETIC MARKERS through earthly offspring, on an earlier version of Mankind than our own.
One day, centuries or maybe one or two millennia before that 12,000 BP mark sumtin as humongously big as skinwalker-level weird kinda W-W-WOBBLED in the sky and next thing you know we got Godlike Visitors.
I should try and avoid annoying the hell out of everyone with a wholy load of bible thumpin, so IF you're curious, and possess the reading power, next is that must read excerpt from perhaps the most mysterious chapter of Old Testament Scripture, Genesis 6.
Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” I am telling this as just a story, for your amused perusal, not a history, because as History, true collective memory, the Nephilim call on us to enter Deadly Ground. Now: away with religion, set aside our beliefs. If we model the text above as a contact memory, in my imagination the Story of the Fallen Ones goes something like this. During an age prior to the approximate 12,000 years before present mark, the starting time for our Human History, an unknown, forgotten human civilization flourished and covered the planet, much in the way as humanity thrives in the present. One day, centuries or maybe one or two millennia before that 12,000 BP mark sumtin as humongously big as skinwalker-level weird kinda W-W-WOBBLED in the sky and next you know a large group (over a hundred, or hundreds) of Godlike Beings by some miraculous means had made their way down to Earth initially terrifying the people who witnessed this heavenly spectacle. At first contact we may think of the Nephilim as amazing Entities. Japanese Art depicting the Tengu.
Maybe the apparent Gods or Angels set up camp outside a large bustling city, why not even go CITY HOPPING, and the city's leadership decided the wisest way to break the ice would be to send out emissaries shaking in their boots/sandals, bearing messages of goodwill, accompanied by local delicacies and choice wines, a precious gift of gold, maybe a few head of fattened cattle, and inevitably as fine a selection of young daughters they could muster. Something for everyone's taste or preference. Of all things on earth, the Sons of God did have a use for these FINE LOOKING young ladies. The city had once more hit on the timeless recipe for avoiding slaughter: just hand over yor daughters. The Sons, of Marvel Universe awe inspiring looks and super powers themselves, appreciated, recognized these females' beauty, I'm thinking: sexual attraction, maybe they even fell in love(!), but in the end they took wives, 'came in' to them who then 'bore them children'. Yes, starting a family on Earth qualifies for CE5 in my book. The Nephilim world was filled with Wars, Black Magical Arts and ruled by absolute Nephilim Kings.
Nice, hah...? Now for something bad and scary. The Fallen Sons of God have been associated with felling trees, and this meaning of the Nephilim tag goes in two directions. They were superior warriors, capable of making human opponents fall, destroyers of both the body and spirit. But they were also fallen themselves, they had become mortals like all living things on Earth. Simply: these guys, sooner or later, were gonna die here. Did I mention super powers? I'm going to focus on just one, a very very scary one. The Fallen have stronger minds and spirits than us. They knew in their bones that they could not avoid the earthly experience of dying. Didn't like it one bit, AND THEY DEVISED A WAY TO EXTEND THEIR EXISTENCE BEYOND DEATH. Back to these fine young ladies. Beyond imagination what these women went through... The Fallen husbands/partners are revealingly described as coming into their chosen companions, who became pregnant and gave birth, starting to all appearances a Nephilim bloodline of Giants, Heroes or great Kings. But there is another more insidious interpretation of the text. 'Coming in' may refer to the power to transposition oneself into the pregnant female's womb, and then be born as your own child. The original Fallen body then may be safely discarded, left to die, while the Fallen spirit is born anew to live out a life on Earth. Rinse and repeat, and over many generations and centuries mankind was taken over by Nephilim genetics, conquered and dominated by Nephilim culture, while being ruled by Nephilim kings, that is, by incarnated spirits of the Fallen Ones, who had been transpositioning from one aging body to the next fetus, birthed by wife nr. 1 to nr. 445 and more to follow. Such were the Days of Noah. And of legendary Atlantis. Whoever Yahweh really is, he didn't like it one bit. Man is his baby. Or patent? The Fallen Sons were making a hell of a mess, of human society, of human experience and of our genetics. The Nephilim had turned us, and them INSIDE US, in a whole new kind of animal, Genesis also suggests all of life had been contaminated.
What made Yahweh so 'sorry', so 'agrieved' about Mankind's state of affairs? What was fundamentally evil about Nephilim culture? I wasn't there, but I'll try: The Nephilim world was full of war, and they were its Masters of War. Full of magic/sorcery/black arts and these were Nephilim control mechanisms. I suspect that the Nephilim kings were at the least very authoritarian rulers, since for absolute kings to be removed means piece by piece. And the piece de resistance of Nephilitas might be that their magic, according to the Torah/Old Testament were fueled, given psychic ..UMPFF.... by human sacrifice, specifically by throwing newborn infants into a sacred fire. Good God had had enough. The biblical Great Flood attempting to eradicate all Nephilim life off the planet was a genocidal Climate Cataclysm executed around 12,000 BP by Yahweh or Jewish Deity YHVH. Everybody knows the story of Noah and the Ark. It should also give theologians a splitting headache: the attempted genocide FAILED. Mmmm... how does God fail at anything...?? As Noah and his family emerged from the Ark onto a freshly cleansed Earth, the eradicated Fallen Sons of God turned out to be not nearly as eradicated as Yahweh wished for.
How? Righteous (read: fully human, without Nephilim contamination) Shipwright Noah and family, including his three sons' Ham, Shem and Japhet's families, by divine intervention was saved from a world where entire oceans surged, that was shaken, incinerated, blown to bits by hurricane winds, and scoured by planet circling mile high tsunamis jumping mountaintops. God was a total destroyer. God was a wonderful friend to Noah. The great Ark is believed to have landed on a mountain plateau located in today's Turkey, and the family of survivors, supposedly with a selection of genetically 'pure' animals also carried to safety in the Ark, disembarked and started a new life there, spreading wide and far for endless generations. One tiny glitch in there: Noah decided to experimentally plant a vineyard on the slopes of the mountain of landing, and was successful to the extent that he sampled a little too much of his own produce and got drunk as a skunk. Sumtin exceedingly strange happens.... And Noah began to be a farmer, and he planted a vineyard. Then he drank of the wine and was drunk, and became uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside. But Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and went backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father’s nakedness.
So Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done to him. Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” Passage that makes no sense whatsoever. If Ham offended Noah by seeing him naked (uhh.. who cares..? And by boozing Noah's own bloody fault!) why was not Ham punished and cursed? And nakedness is nothing... in families one will see others, including our Patriarchs / Matriarchs many times in various stages of undress, unavoidable, it always happens. But Noah's bitter curse of little Canaan can be understood when we see that Canaan was black skinned. Nothing to do with slavers' fallacious justifications for abducting and brutally exploiting Africans. Baby Canaan's blackness was worth mentioning ONLY because Noah's family WAS NOT BLACK. Canaan's skincolor was expressing the Nephilim equivalent of a newborn looking suspiciously similar to the milkman. Yes, Canaan's shocking expression of aberrant genetics indicated that the eradicated Sons of God were not quite as eradicated as Yahweh wished for and his small band of human friends and faithful expected! What happened? When Noah got inebriated, his daughter in-law, Ham's wife, with or without his knowledge, saw an opportunity to be impregnated with the seed of the Patriarch, and made the ahh... necessary connection. Canaan was born dark skinned in a non-black family. Canaan was the ancestor of the Canaanites, a multitude of different families and tribes, many of whom were... Nephilim. This disconcerting circumstance is what made the Israelites HESITATE before daring to enter the so called Promised Land (around 1300 Before Christian Era). The Promised Land was named 'Canaan' and was filled with (physical) giants, with walled cities ready for war, with tribes who were Master Sorcerers, with the worshippers of Moloch (deity requiring child sacrifice) and with armies that seemed to offer even Yahweh an even match. The 'uncovering' and 'nakedness' in the text imo is a not too subtle euphemism for Ham's wife taking advantage of Noah's incapacitation. Canaan thus was the unlawful son of Noah and his daughter in law. Canaan, since his descendants were Nephilim, was of Nephilim blood. Therefore Ham's lovely wife was Nephilim, therefore the Nephilim escaped Yahweh's genocide of their kind by being afforded safe passage aboard Noah's Ark. ....OOPS..!! The Fallen Ones descended on a previous Mankind, one that lived before our Human History, and they survived to the present time.
You see? Reading and researching the Bible can be as much fun as watching Netflix! To end, the biblical memory suggests to us that those aliens we named The Fallen Ones descended on a previous Mankind, one that lived before our Human History, and they survived Yahweh's effort to eradicate them entirely, even hitched a ride out of danger with Noah's family, they thrived in the territory of Canaan (today named Israel), and apart from King David (approx 1000 BCE) killing off most physical Giants, THEY NEVER LEFT. The Nephilim are here. Heroes. Great Leaders. Deadly warriors. Some of them we see on a daily basis, and they seem to have turned out nice enough for us to like them. What a mysterious world we live in.... purr The Nephilim are here because they never left.
P.S. If you wish to believe the story above, it is reasonable to assume all of, or a number of the Fallen Sons of God, in spite of their ability to survive for ages, millennia by 'transpositioning' did irrevocably perish during the Great Flood. Their disembodied spirits, trapped in a human spirit realm, have become non-human malevolent and insidious spirits (that is: Demons) giving rise to various Demonologies.
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Post by purr on Sept 2, 2021 15:33:27 GMT
One way to cope with such perceived danger is by devising rituals, beliefs that protect its practitioners against evil influences.
THE HAUNTED EARTH - a demonology Natural living peoples seem to have found a harmony through the tradition of shamans INVITING the entity into themselves, gaining knowledge to be used to the tribe's advantage.
Throughout Human History, going back just short of 12,000 years Before Present the tribes of man have had terrifying and perplexing experiences with a phenomenon that might be described as the influence/influx of disembodied malevolent non-human entities on humans. Having such an entity merely attach themselves to a person could cause the most frightening apparitions and nightmares, ranging all the way up to things that (actually) go bump in the night/daytime, ultimately if continuing unabated resulting in losing one's mind, health, even life. Going up the escalator of bad spirit actions, one might fall victim to a full transpositioning (into the human 'host') by the entity, resulting in what the Catholic Church classifies as a True Possession. To get an idea, a FEEL for what this more severe version of demonic influence entails you could watch the superbly made movies The Rite or The Exorcist (original version). A case of Possession isn't just the worst of the worst suffering for the one afflicted and their surroundings, I suspect the demonic entity is having a terrible time as well trying to make a home in a human person. Horrific for all involved.
One way to cope with such perceived danger is by devising rituals, beliefs that protect its practitioners against evil influences. Animism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, Christianity, all religions offer various methods to ward off evil. Psychology and Psychiatry, even though dismissive of real spirits or the human soul fit the same pattern, just changing the terminology.
One elegant approach among natural living peoples is managing the danger by perpetuating a class of shamans / healers / visionaries who on certain holy days INVITE the entity into themselves, channeling an otherworldly power and knowledge to be used to the tribe's advantage. They seem to have found a harmony. When I model the Demons origin, their apparent activities among Mankind, and what in hell on earth they're up to I've selected the Christian traditions for convenience. Other great faiths and religious traditions have much of value and insight to say on this subject as well, and I've looked and read and considered their understanding with the utmost curiosity and respect as well. Throughout our history mankind has perceived a danger from evil forces, devising ways to protect against them.
But I'm going for the memory of malevolent spirits as it developed in the Europeanized and Christened world. Here we were led to imagine a hierarchy among benevolent non-human entities, mirrored in a hierarchy of evil ones, of a human soul able to both enliven the body and continue existing independent of it, and of many realms/worlds (like hells, heavens or alternate realities) outside of our own. Again, this is a model selected for convenience. It is not the only way to look at the phenomena. Let's build it up. From the faithful of YWVH/Yahweh and Jesus Christ comes a ranking of different heavenly GOOD GUYS, the representatives of God: Cherubim, Seraphim, Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues, Angels, and Archangels. Now don't think the believing folks of the ancient world were lining up to meet any one of those listed, or God himself for that matter. All'avem can be safely said to have scared the living beejeezus out of anyone encountering such Visitors. For better or worse, God (for real) tends to scare the hell out of everybody. Except maybe very young and receptive children. Pour the wine.. generously...IT IS ALL IN THE WRIST...
ON THE ORIGIN OF DEMONS If you're allergic to Bible quotes, better skip the next passage (have a bite to eat, say... some chorizo sausage cut in big pieces, chunks of freshly baked whole wheat bread accompanied by a generous glass of red wine, anything from the Palo Alto vineyards would be my personal preference, only fully satisfied return to reading my unending nonsense), this one from the Book of Enoch (canon of the Eritrean and Ethiopian Churches):
And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits (Angels) and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement.
It gets easy to figure how the 'Giants' (=Nephilim, or The Fallen Ones) become evil spirits on Earth, as we read above. Use the model of the human soul, giving life to our bodies plus living on after we die. We seem to pass on into one of a number of spirit worlds where we exist in between many lives on Earth, which are more or less nice and interesting. It is as if, when one dies on this planet, the afterlife captures your soul/spirit essence much as gravity does with your body when you take a fall. Yahweh's eradication of the Nephilim has been a case of "WE WILL BE BACK".
The Scriptures describe how the beautiful and amazing Sons of God, I imagine Cherubim, Seraphim, Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues, Angels, and Archangels among their number, well prior to 12,000 years Before Present descended on Earth, took their human wives with whom they had children, their offspring of many generations using their Superpowers to conquer and subjugate and ENJOY for eons the human world, and then finally perishing in great numbers in a climate cataclysm induced by their relentless enemy deity Yahweh. I say they were in a bad mood. Total pisser. And death on Earth took them INTO THE HUMAN SPIRIT REALMS. Wherever these fellers ended up, it must be hell. And unlike ourselves, the human afterlife cannot entirely contain them. It was a case of "..We will be back...". And they are back, during our History, as the wicked, insidious demons voraciously desiring to be embodied once again. purr
Let's build it up! Decide to study the subject and create a working model for FIGHTING EVIL of your own.
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Post by ZETAR on Sept 5, 2021 21:13:27 GMT
One way to cope with such perceived danger is by devising rituals, beliefs that protect its practitioners against evil influences.
THE HAUNTED EARTH - a demonology Natural living peoples seem to have found a harmony through the tradition of shamans INVITING the entity into themselves, gaining knowledge to be used to the tribe's advantage.
Throughout Human History, going back just short of 12,000 years Before Present the tribes of man have had terrifying and perplexing experiences with a phenomenon that might be described as the influence/influx of disembodied malevolent non-human entities on humans. Having such an entity merely attach themselves to a person could cause the most frightening apparitions and nightmares, ranging all the way up to things that (actually) go bump in the night/daytime, ultimately if continuing unabated resulting in losing one's mind, health, even life. Going up the escalator of bad spirit actions, one might fall victim to a full transpositioning (into the human 'host') by the entity, resulting in what the Catholic Church classifies as a True Possession. To get an idea, a FEEL for what this more severe version of demonic influence entails you could watch the superbly made movies The Rite or The Exorcist (original version). A case of Possession isn't just the worst of the worst suffering for the one afflicted and their surroundings, I suspect the demonic entity is having a terrible time as well trying to make a home in a human person. Horrific for all involved.
One way to cope with such perceived danger is by devising rituals, beliefs that protect its practitioners against evil influences. Animism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, Christianity, all religions offer various methods to ward off evil. Psychology and Psychiatry, even though dismissive of real spirits or the human soul fit the same pattern, just changing the terminology.
One elegant approach among natural living peoples is managing the danger by perpetuating a class of shamans / healers / visionaries who on certain holy days INVITE the entity into themselves, channeling an otherworldly power and knowledge to be used to the tribe's advantage. They seem to have found a harmony. When I model the Demons origin, their apparent activities among Mankind, and what in hell on earth they're up to I've selected the Christian traditions for convenience. Other great faiths and religious traditions have much of value and insight to say on this subject as well, and I've looked and read and considered their understanding with the utmost curiosity and respect as well. Throughout our history mankind has perceived a danger from evil forces, devising ways to protect against them.
But I'm going for the memory of malevolent spirits as it developed in the Europeanized and Christened world. Here we were led to imagine a hierarchy among benevolent non-human entities, mirrored in a hierarchy of evil ones, of a human soul able to both enliven the body and continue existing independent of it, and of many realms/worlds (like hells, heavens or alternate realities) outside of our own. Again, this is a model selected for convenience. It is not the only way to look at the phenomena. Let's build it up. From the faithful of YWVH/Yahweh and Jesus Christ comes a ranking of different heavenly GOOD GUYS, the representatives of God: Cherubim, Seraphim, Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues, Angels, and Archangels. Now don't think the believing folks of the ancient world were lining up to meet any one of those listed, or God himself for that matter. All'avem can be safely said to have scared the living beejeezus out of anyone encountering such Visitors. For better or worse, God (for real) tends to scare the hell out of everybody. Except maybe very young and receptive children. Pour the wine.. generously...IT IS ALL IN THE WRIST...
ON THE ORIGIN OF DEMONS If you're allergic to Bible quotes, better skip the next passage (have a bite to eat, say... some chorizo sausage cut in big pieces, chunks of freshly baked whole wheat bread accompanied by a generous glass of red wine, anything from the Palo Alto vineyards would be my personal preference, only fully satisfied return to reading my unending nonsense), this one from the Book of Enoch (canon of the Eritrean and Ethiopian Churches):
And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits (Angels) and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. [As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling.] And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them. From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement.
It gets easy to figure how the 'Giants' (=Nephilim, or The Fallen Ones) become evil spirits on Earth, as we read above. Use the model of the human soul, giving life to our bodies plus living on after we die. We seem to pass on into one of a number of spirit worlds where we exist in between many lives on Earth, which are more or less nice and interesting. It is as if, when one dies on this planet, the afterlife captures your soul/spirit essence much as gravity does with your body when you take a fall. Yahweh's eradication of the Nephilim has been a case of "WE WILL BE BACK".
The Scriptures describe how the beautiful and amazing Sons of God, I imagine Cherubim, Seraphim, Thrones, Dominions, Principalities, Powers, Virtues, Angels, and Archangels among their number, well prior to 12,000 years Before Present descended on Earth, took their human wives with whom they had children, their offspring of many generations using their Superpowers to conquer and subjugate and ENJOY for eons the human world, and then finally perishing in great numbers in a climate cataclysm induced by their relentless enemy deity Yahweh. I say they were in a bad mood. Total pisser. And death on Earth took them INTO THE HUMAN SPIRIT REALMS. Wherever these fellers ended up, it must be hell. And unlike ourselves, the human afterlife cannot entirely contain them. It was a case of "..We will be back...". And they are back, during our History, as the wicked, insidious demons voraciously desiring to be embodied once again. purr
Let's build it up! Decide to study the subject and create a working model for FIGHTING EVIL of your own.
SHALOM...Z
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Post by purr on Oct 21, 2021 2:49:17 GMT
One model explaining the human mind has it transitioning from spirit to earthly life and back to spirit again many times in many Dimensions, Compartments of the Universe, Dreamworlds and the Spirit World, as if extraordinary travel destinations awaiting and welcoming us all. It may allow us to reason back from the real world 4% of Evil Natured people (leaving 96% relatively good folks) to an otherworldly source.
ON THE ORIGIN OF EVIL NATURED PEOPLE A Theory of Mind Since Jeffrey Dahmer when people invite me and mine into their home all friendly like, as if trying to gain trust, the first thing I do is go ahead and take a look in their refrigerator. Check for the formaldehyde jars with body parts whether human or from housepets, any overly dark and sweet smelling gravies (plus inevitable Chianti collection nearby) and (never forget) count nr of children's heads. Saves time imo: let's skip the social stuff and get straight to the full blown anti-social disorder (if at all there). DINNER TIME...! I remember reading my fav psychology professor Steven Pinker that whenever measured some 4% of the human population could be diagnosed as suffering from a more or less severe form of anti-social disorder. Now I immediately start with disavowing the psychiatric frame for this potentially horrific mindset. Personally I wouldn't care a rat's BUT-TOCKS if a serial killer, rapist, child predator or any destroyer of souls and simple human happiness were "suffering" from whatever unless it helped to catch them, remove them from society. Some very bad and harmful folks really do have mental disorders, while others do not. Yes, please don't be shocked, socio-paths[sic] can be sane. We've been led to consider them insane due to the 19th century optimistic/arrogant mental illness hoarding by Sigmund Freud and other founding fathers of modern Psychiatry. Slap on a diagnostic label, psycho-analyze and cure'em. Be sure to ask about their mother....!
Heraclitus' axiom "A Man's Character is His Fate" accurately foreshadowed Genetics: born with heritable traits, physiological and psychological, our genes IN PART will determine our life and the sum of who we are and what we will do.
But 'Mamy' is not the issue. Whatchacallems say Sociopaths, Psychopaths, Ruthless or Evil Natured people are always with us as that 4% constant. Mind you, not all of these fellow humans are like Hannibal Lecter. There are 'mild' and 'conditional' expressions of evil human nature where a person only attempts a heinous crime, then is caught, helped with therapy and deterred from further harmful actions. Some psychopaths only act out if you get them angry/treat them unfairly like, so if never thus provoked, they will not do harm during their life. The worst evil natured people we all get to know at the same time, watching CNN when they get arrested after a long career of torturing pets, terrorizing their childhood family, culminating in serial murder/heinous crime. If such an infant is placed in a loving adoptive family, the love will not take. If confronted with penalties for 'wrong' behavior in school, first jobs and the police THEY ARE NOT DETERRED, but only learn to stay under the radar. Develop charm or keep quiet. Good morning waves and a smile for the neighbors. Then they do what they do, until someone puts a hard stop to it. To my mind Sociopathy/Evil Nature has no Symptoms because it is no disease. I have come to believe these are the WARNING SIGNS that you may be dealing with an evil natured person: the people around them suffer, get sick, injured and/or killed. This terrible state of mind stands robust against the forces (loving families, education, work standards and the Law) that shape a great majority of human beings into reasonably good, more or less law abiding citizens, because it is heritable. Expect a true psychopath to have some ancestors and some descendants expressing similar psychological traits and ACTING OUT with great harm. Heritability of a sociopath trait set does not apply to each and every blood relative, thankfully it does not 'breed true' but behaves as a genetic predisposition, a degree of probability (by no means certainty) you will have sociopathy's traits if part of that bloodline. BORN BAD If I'm right and some babies are born with a genetic predisposition to be bad, like... ..bad... , it is big problem for great ideas like everyone getting a fair shake at the pursuit of happiness, all having been 'created equal' and 'freedom'(- to choose one's own life). Is it even fair to punish evil people for their inborn nature (which they did not choose, imbued beyond their control)? We (Western 'enlightenment' societies) are solving it by making laws acknowledging the victim's suffering, retaliating with proportionality on their behalf. Simply, whatever the cards you're dealt with: BE GOOD to others or suffer the consequences. While evil nature seems to come from genetic ancestry, the phenomenon of Near Death Experience suggest yet another more profound origin: the spirit realm that serves as a well for newborn souls and place of transit for those who pass away. We're kinda in and out, getting born, dying and spending time as disembodied spirits in between lives. Babies who are born as 'bad seeds', programmed / hard-wired to once all grown to visit hell on earth and make us suffer loss and grief and terrible anguish due to their evil actions. From the ancient tradition of Stoicism comes Heraclitus' axiom: A Man's Character is His Fate It is as if the words of Heraclitus accurately foreshadowed the Science of Genetics. You're born with heritable traits, physiological and psychological, which in part will determine your life, who you'll be, what you will say, and what you will do.
Heraclitus' insight reasons that Character, sum of our innate qualities, extends into how we live the fullness of our lives. By describing life's fullness as Fate, he refers back to the Gods who conceive our life path from the spirit realm, before we are born, outside of Space-Time. From that non-locality each soul is matched to a compatible gene sequence before ensouling the fetus in our mother's womb, the Soul-DNA match comprising a person's character translating into an entire life lived: a man's or woman's Fate. If you were waiting for a point being made. Here it is. The above model for the human mind, its origin including transitioning from spirit to earthly life and back to spirit again many times in many Dimensions or Compartments of the Universe. Dreamworlds and the Spirit World examples of 'places' we all travel. This model, I believe allows us to reason back from the real world 4% of Evil Natured people (leaving 96% relatively good folks) to these bad guys'n gals' birth, hard wired by 'bad seed' genes, fated by matching souls inclined to act in evil ways, to the otherworldly source for these bad actors. Logically some of the souls / entities lined up to enter Humanity MUST BE EVIL NATURED. To end (and go for the sweetest loop back to UFOlogy's Big TOE!): the apparent presence of evil spirits in our spirit world, the eternal well of new life entering Humanity might be most elegantly explained by the Fallen Nephilim story, as well as Roswell type ET crash incidents. Immeasurably weird (and to a degree hostile, angry and malevolent) non-humans may have died on Earth, and became part of our Afterlife, unhappy/involuntary guests in the Human Spirit Realm. And if you're real unlucky, one of these baddies is born next door....inside the family...or sleeps on the opposite side of your bed...
purr P.S. regards "purr likes this" above this post, purr was actually banging away on the keys like a manic maki on meth and hit the like/thumbs-up button by accident. I apologize.
Logically some of the souls or entities lined up to enter Humanity MUST BE EVIL NATURED.
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Post by skizicks on Nov 29, 2021 23:46:34 GMT
At one time I would have argued that the universe was teeming with life and all of it was scattered just far enough apart to keep us from screwing up more than one species at a time. Are we sure we are more than a tiny particle circling a nucleus of a small cell in a piece of excrement? Oh, and I hope you realize that by posting God's name you have made this site and maybe the whole internet Holy. It would now be a mortal sin to delete the post or block the site from anyone. Look it up. That is why the orthodox Hebrews buried old damaged scrolls and did not use them for fire starters.
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Post by purr on Nov 30, 2021 21:25:38 GMT
At one time I would have argued that the universe was teeming with life and all of it was scattered just far enough apart to keep us from screwing up more than one species at a time. Are we sure we are more than a tiny particle circling a nucleus of a small cell in a piece of excrement? Oh, and I hope you realize that by posting God's name you have made this site and maybe the whole internet Holy. It would now be a mortal sin to delete the post or block the site from anyone. Look it up. That is why the orthodox Hebrews buried old damaged scrolls and did not use them for fire starters. Hi Skizicks, as to making this site / the whole internet Holy, I do not delude myself I'm either powerful or good enough. Seriously, I pen stuff down in hope of reaching minds with working truths, and try and touch hearts with good intentions (isn't there some road paved with those?), so as Fate and/or God and/or Luck will have it, the words written here will make a difference, help someone better their life, or even save it, or point toward a higher path to take. Kinda doubt that qualifies as 'holy' but will settle for 'good'. You are probably right that humans and their 'condition' often appear located deep in said excrement. Also, we could indeed be, by cosmic accident or INTENTIONALLY, marooned or quarantined, in wait for our collective behavior improving (doing away with war, violent crime and cruelty) or if no such luck, our version of intelligent life getting erased from the drawing board. Ski, do we know God's True Name? YHVH represents the Latin notation of the Hebrew God of the Jews and their Holy Torah. There would seem to be a degree of separation between these four letters and the more original handwritten Hebrew for Yahweh. This may be the true and yes 'holy' name of God, the one that if written and recited properly, to the classical mind, grants its user the power to summon/petition that name's Owner. Then again, that name may be mere cover for one of the many other names of God recorded in the Torah which in actuality equals his/her True Name. I imagine that the priestly tribes charged with the Holy Torah's safekeeping during the last millennium BCE may have removed the true name of God from all but one of the Tora scrolls to hide it from Syrian and Babylonian invaders, to prevent its desecration and misuse. Could one such unredacted Torah, perhaps along with the real Ark of the Covenant be kept safe even today at a secret location? Maybe in Ethiopia, maybe they have moved it around. The Secret thus kept would be God's real name. So I don't think any of my ramblings will make you or this site Holy, but maybe maybe it will leave one or two readers better informed or at least smiling... purr
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Post by purr on Dec 21, 2021 7:19:56 GMT
WHO ARE WE? OK, kinda borrowed this from Wu's thread (in two incarnations, the one on the present site, and one on the old Casebook Forums) that many of us, including myself at some point posted in, telling a little bit about our education, career, pivotal moments of life and whatever we feel made us into the individual UFO Casebookers participating in forum life. So we are intelligent bipeds with a home, a job, family and/or several pets, having made unique choices that set us apart, make us into... Somebody. But can this be it? Is being 'human' what brought alien entities across the unimaginable distances of the Universe, or even traversing between universes in the Multiverse to alternately play scary mind games with us and then (if experiencers reported true) crawl all the way up our intestines? These guys solved gravity and dimensionality for THAT? I don't think so. Methinks the throng of Visitors involving themselves in human affairs, even human families came to us BECAUSE THEY KNOW US BETTER THAN WE KNOW OURSELVES. As member Skizicks alluded, when it comes to mind games, God is in play. Like the Jewish deity YHVH or Jahweh whose Hebrew name approximately translates into 'I Am That I Am'. Sounds as if God is talking Bob Dole style about himself, even to himself. God is effortlessly 'one self' as well as 'many selves'. Right now I realize that at times I'm not feeling myself. I also catch myself talking to myself. Disagree with myself, especially when my conscience questions my actions. Actually, talking about pets, family, the workplace, being within your circle of friends or outside it, among strangers, I have learned to switch to as many 'selves', VERSIONS of myself as life requires. As a cat person I have an entirely different mode of speech, language use and even simplified logic when dealing with my cats. Although I suspect cats don't really care what speech I give them, as long as it ends in handing out kibble. Still, normal minds can be seen creating many, tens or an infinite number of Persona. There's more. Crazy stuff too. Now I've got to run (lots to do today, we're setting up Xmas trees) but.. I will be back. purr
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Post by purr on Jan 13, 2022 1:19:01 GMT
All the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players...
WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE
Women have been making a special contribution to the Religious Sense by protecting children and meeting their needs, in particular their emotional needs, thus providing growing men and women with a formative experience of nurturing, of the love of a Mother. Rinse and repeat for 300,000 years and a kernel for gentleness and empathy and being GOOD was introduced to human psychology, starting the development of World Civilization and a Faith that is kind.
...and back I am... WHO ARE WE REALLY? The throng of Visitors involving themselves in human affairs, even human families came to us BECAUSE THEY KNOW US BETTER THAN WE KNOW OURSELVES.
As member Skizicks alluded, when it comes to mind games, God is in play. Like the Jewish deity YHVH or Jahweh whose Hebrew name approximately translates into 'I Am That I Am'. Sounds as if God is talking Bob Dole style about himself, even to himself. God is effortlessly 'one self' as well as 'many selves'.
Right now I realize that at times I'm not feeling myself. I also catch myself talking to myself. Disagree with myself, especially when my conscience questions my actions. Actually, talking about pets, family, the workplace, being within your circle of friends or outside it, among strangers, I have learned to switch to as many 'selves', VERSIONS of myself as life requires. As a cat person I have an entirely different mode of speech, language use and even simplified logic when dealing with my cats. Although I suspect cats don't really care what speech I give them, as long as it ends in handing out kibble.
Still, normal minds can be seen creating many, tens or an infinite number of Personae.
If you were paying attention you will have noticed I am winding up for a 'way of being human', for a Theory of (the human) Mind which accounts for any ET giving us the time of day. OF COURSE WE ARE DAZZLED BY FLYING SAUCERS AND THEIR TERRIFYING / GODLIKE OCCUPANTS!. The question is, why they (some factions) seem so interested in us. What makes you interesting to aliens is first of all that your body and mind are modular: a massive bunch of body and mental organs co-exist, compete, negotiate and cooperate to create the EXPERIENCE of being one self in one body. To my mind such Oneness is felt most readily while seated in a comfortably cushioned armchair, sipping the warmth of a ruby port, with all the world around you safe and at peace. Paradoxically, the freedom to let your mind wander, range into new areas, even look at reality afresh, is an outcome of previous generations' bitter conflicts and bloody wars to secure the land. Our minds and bodies are not formed by peace but by Selection Pressure. SP is at work in both the species and family groups. The world around us seeks to inflict pain, injury or death and our early human ancestors fought, as do we today, young and old fight to survive whatever onslaught life throws at us and become ancestors ourselves.
Man did not come from a kind and peaceful past, nor from freedom, equality or loving our neighbor. Image: Mega predators Smilodon and Dire Wolf face off over fresh kill.
By sharing prehistory with mega animals, some fearsome predators, others like the Mammoth anything but easy prey, human hunters evolved into impossible problem solvers able to withstand the utmost physical stress and exertion.
Now take a deep breath.. (seriously, no rhetoric.... breathe in...and breathe out, be calm and relax your body, you are the smartest animal on earth, time to GO ACTIVE and think your way through really weird information). The picture I have begun to paint of a human being, of being YOU may be quite different from how you see Mankind / yourself. You may well have come to see yourself as one person, or if you include your body: one single organism, body and mind working harmoniously to create one functional to thriving individual. Plus if raised & educated in the West there is the ideal of 'being your self', the modern version of fevered philosophizing vaping off the 1789-1799-- copious outpour of noble and patriotic blood in revolutionary France under King Louis XVI, TO WIT: ...that humans are all born equally innocent and good and honest, and children should be raised carefree, freed of the irrational burdens of Sin and having to Obey God's Commandments (in a Europe arguably held in a Catholic stranglehold), naturally culminating in a utopian society ruled by such motto as:
LIBERTY, EQUALITY AND BROTHERHOOD [OR DEATH] which fourth element to the revolutionary tripartite was the actual addition during French Revolutionary days and boy these folks were not kidding). uh... if you're like me and need to re-familiarize with the history go click here on the French Revolution. Whenever you feel like it, here's one more Click on Enlightenment Philosophy, hitting on the foundational way-ahead-of-the-times thinkers of 'the West' I irreverently referred to as 'fevered': they exploded into human consciousness the basis for imo the 'best' or 'least worst' form of human cooperation to ever exist on the face of the Earth, Democracy AKA the Enlightenment Society. On the other hand their modern ideas dealing with freedom, being open and honest in dealing with ones fellowman, equality applying to all men (including women too was as yet centuries in the making), and for icing on the cake: basing our societies on Reason and Science (rather than God, the Pope and the Church, revolutionary thoughts by Voltaire and Jean-Jacques Rousseau) proved too much to absorb/process for the day, for the angry and often hungry revolutionary factions, the street mobs, the gangs of robbers roaming the countryside. Instead of freeing every Frenchman and embracing them as a brother, the revolution turned into targeting and killing the rich and the learned (wealth and learning highly suspect as an affront to 'equality'), isolating and executing the King, his innocent wife and those associated with him and the 'obsolete' power of the monarchy, incarcerating and shamefully causing the death of Louis XVI's young son (called the Dauphin), and finally in an increasingly hellish fest of bloodletting trying/railroading/guillotining everyone who disagreed with whomever was in power. Human nature and its wandering mind kinda coming full circle, as Ronald Reagan so finely put it once "Kill that tree before it kills you". Utopia.. BE GONE. Brotherly harmony.. BE THEE GONE. Looking at the French Revolution as a large scale social experiment with allowing human nature to roam free and imprint its true self on the world, the ominous outcome seems to be that Homo Sapiens is a competitive beast, competing fiercely and murderously individually and between groups. I so hope humans will keep moving in the right direction and make a wonderful and kind future. But we did not come from a kind and peaceful past, nor from freedom, equality or loving our neighbor. If ever during the past 100,000s years Before Present there was an early line of humans who were simple souls who lacked the inclination or heart to outsmart, outbluff and outfight any and all other life forms, let alone wipe out and (let's say you're really really hungry) go Hannibal on well fed, call'em PLUMP neighbors, I betcha they near instantly vanished from the evolutionary record, lining the stomach of every carnivorous mega beast and drooling cannibal in their environment, leaving at most the odd gnawed, chiseled, broken and finally petrified bone fragment to bemuse present-day anthropologists. SURVIVAL IN THE GLOBAL THEATER It's very hard to look at ourselves back in time, checking up on various historic conflicts and wars, like the French Revolution (I recommend Simon Schama's beautifully written Citizens to get an in depth sense of what transpired in 18th century France) helps some, also pre-state societies have been found to have been making a lot of war, even the stories in the Christian Old Testament provide clues: I read in Steven Pinker's books that the biblical account suggests that Middle Eastern peoples during the millennia BCE on occasion waged horribly cruel genocidal war, killing every living thing on the opposing side, except perhaps taking alive young virgins for wives. This in my belief is the kind of dangerous world our minds and bodies evolved in, not for 3000 but well over 300,000 years. We came not from safety, but danger from every direction, be it hungry predators hunting humans using stealth, superior speed and strength or modern/early human cannibals using conceivably guile, the pretense of hospitality to lure victims to the ultimate dinner experience. And living in nature (NOT the same as that marvelous hike with the fam and doggies through a national park) you have to deal with diseases mysteriously spreading and decimating your tribe, floods, droughts, famine, volcanism, cosmic body impacts and CLIMATE CHANGE (yes, our climate has been 'changing' for millions of years, including at near extinction level severity) and then probably ended up carrying your strident in-laws on your back wherever you sought shelter. Human history is Hell on Earth and today we are the children of a modern human line who adapted their way out of it. (Out of hell, not history.)
You already know. Physically, humans are tough, withstanding the greatest hardship. If you're a serious athlete, or participated in some form of extreme sports, you've discovered you can train or compete to exhaustion, and then will yourself to go on until you hit a secondary exhaustion limit. This is not healthy but Extreme Performance carrying real risk of heart death. You may be in a car crash that seems like the end, or struck by terminal illness and yet you fight your way back to recover and live on. Our bodies hold reserves and redundancies beyond belief. At the end of such Herculean effort however awaits the ultimate selection pressure. You are lucky and blessed to be alive. Or you die. The evolutionary process of Natural Selection is less 'natural' than it feels wasteful and cruel. Evolution is no walk in the park. Losing people and pets and friendly animals is one of the horrors of this world. The principle for any body is that anything that works gets selected over what doesn't work. More of a secret is that our body's organs, also called modules in Evolution Science, follow the same selection principle. Again, not when taking your Chihuahua Hercules to the park after a long day at work and doze off on the bench as he (happily without success) tries to mount a lady Alsatian. But when you're hiking through the forest at sub zero temperatures for a full day of walking along a set route and distance, planned to reach the relative comfort of a cabin (or get to camp out and freeze your bud off if you get lost, or lose time, or godforbid sustain an injury). This is how I liked to challenge myself in my younger years, think what you will, but however fit and prepared I started out, looking back NATURE HIKES ALWAYS INVOLVED DANGER, there's invariably surprises, you do not make time as planned, you take your strength and smarts and endurance to limits you didn't know existed, and in the increasingly unpleasant to painful cold your heart joins your brain to compete with other body modules. With warm oxygenated blood at a premium, this precious medium gets concentrated at your body's core, and feet and hands begin to freeze. And if you fail to get warm, can't reach shelter in time, heart and brain continue to prioritize their own function at the cost of more and more 'non-essential' parts shutting down and beginning to die off in order for the body to survive. Fortunately I never made it into serious injury, but instead tremendously enjoyed challenging myself involving some calculated risk. I remember the one 1970s Summer vacation walking high up in the Swiss Alps where our family took a wrong turn and but for the grace of God we would have fallen several km off the mountain. I noticed the sudden increase in angle of descent and we quickly turned back and climbed to safety. Over decades my nature hikes have changed my perspective on the human body. This I believe (and I hope that any of you young 24/7 gaming couch potatoes inadvertently stumbling unto UFO Casebook will give the following due consideration):
THE HUMAN BODY APPEARS DESIGNED FOR EXTREME STRESS AND EXERTION and AT THE FINAL LIMIT SEQUENTIALLY SHUTS DOWN ITS LESS ESSENTIAL MODULES=ORGANS
IN ORDER TO STAY ALIVE AT ANY COST ...in short we didn't evolve into anything remotely resembling a potato. We're uhh... bod-asses? ENTER THE MIND MODULE or 'ALL THE WORLD'S A STAGE' There we were having sheer fun, setting a sweet pace, talking and laughing, with the entire Dutch family on a glorious summer day walking down and up and down a Swiss mountain path and suddenly, while I was on point, the path was no path, having begun to slope down too radically and ...OH GOD... I was aware of my folks very close behind and bearing down on me. I felt the group momentum. I had a glimpse immediately ahead of vast emptiness, an EDGE beyond which we all would fall to our death. Right now, as I write this so you may share that long past moment, that glimpse of vast emptiness, the closeness of death taking my whole family, FEAR of death hitting like a jolt.... Adrenalin kicking in... that 'glimpse' I can still see right before me, as if Reality (nothing gets more real than facing death) opened a window to ah.. SUMTIN... and then kept it open. What I 'see' is that when we die (happily for us not on THAT day, not on THAT mountainside), then our soul continues existence, then we are reborn in a new physical life. And maybe... maybe.. God is there for us, wherever our path takes us, even if straight down to THE END. Maybe God decides that, for his own purpose, we will not fall today. Adrenalin kick. Life-or-death Vertigo. As I quickly turned and commanded those descending without a care in the world to now halt and reverse back up, I shoved with every ounce of strength at the familial bums precariously struggling upwards. In fact I shoved so hard that we got back on a safe, level pathway before all of us realized the danger we had been in. I truly believe our body and mind has superpowers at such moments. The hormone system exemplifies a body module that releases hormones helping us survive terrifying, life threatening situations, imbuing our muscles and mind with almost superhuman power. In the mountain scare above I model this as body modules joining forces with several mind modules (aka 'mental organs') to ensure survival. Note that my visual system went big time weird as we walked to the edge of a mountain. I saw the downward slope becoming too radical which is part intuition and part calculation. I glimpsed empty space ahead where normally I'd expect to see indications of the continuing path. This too is a calculation, sensing an incongruously absent value, namely next leg of the path, as my mind would piece together the path in a sequence of sections, more easy to remember than the entire route. Then in a flash combined realizing we were about to fall with 'BOOM' Fear of Death with simultaneously springing into action (shouting "Stop now! We must go back!" and pushing the fam upwards) and deciding we must do our utmost to survive. The subsequent personal insights into an eternal soul, God and reincarnation developed slower in the years after this event. Some of the Modules involved: Rational Mind - calculating risk/danger Visual System - seeing and memorizing landscape, including extreme features like a sheer drop off Emotions - fear and loathing of death, love of family
Common Sense - having sound judgement, including snap judgements in life-or-death situations
A Sense of Self - a new self, the Warrior (there seem to be as many versions of you as needed) enters centerstage to courageously face up to imminent danger (or any other of life's challenges)
Speech and Hearing - giving directions and exchanging information The Executive = Decision Maker - decides a course of action The Body - springs into action Religious Sense - developing beliefs about death, souls and God If you have the time and inclination you might examine if the list of 'modules' or 'mental organs' just above could be observed within your own mind and life experience, especially if you encountered some life threatening situations. But the most interesting, for want of a better word, is of course the mechanism by which a whole new Self or Persona or Role (like a 'Warrior') is called forth by life's pressures, dangers and our changeable environment. One popular misconception associated with the idea of having many 'selves' is that it indicates Schizophrenia, also known as split personality, however in the psychiatric disorder such split involves being out of sinc with reality (like when one would hallucinate being on a mountain, while actually sitting in a therapist's office ) rather than solving real world crises by somehow selecting a more effective (version of your) self. Averting real danger to oneself and your loved ones by any means imho is the sanest thing anyone could do. A rather intriguing parallel may be drawn with yet another mental disorder, Disassociative Identity Disorder (DID) where patients appear to switch from one Self to an often radically different (varying in gender, personality, education and even personal history) other Self, where multiple personalities are active in the one person's life, some of whom may engage in criminal or violent acts WITHOUT THE OTHER SELVES BEING AWARE OF WHO'S DOING WHAT! DID seems most often rooted in childhood trauma, where a young vulnerable mind gets so threatened, so terrified by physical or sexual abuse, or say the horrors of war, it generates an extreme 'protector self' to handle/contain the terror, yet cuts the connection with its childlike self/selves because this person is too young to bear the horrific side of life. Selves get literally split, DID sufferers attempt to live several lives at the same time, for a time unaware that some of their identities act out in the most bizarre or harmful ways. I hope it is obvious that the descriptions of Physical and Mental Modules in this thread, including a mechanism capable of creating many or an unlimited number of Selves to deal with challenges and dangers in the real world refers to the workings of a healthy human mind. I believe having the capability to use many selves from an evolutionary standpoint is an adaptation that works. It would make sense if creating many selves both by Disassociative Identity Disorder/DID patients and by normal minds adapting to real world threats is based in the same mechanism, a module/mental organ generating as many roles, personae as the situation warrants. The difference being that in the illness DID the self-factory kinda got kickstarted into action by trauma too severe for that young mind to handle, so one or more Selves were sacrificed to contain and isolate the traumatic memories, leaving the child's organization of selves in a state of discord and disarray. In a healthy development the Many Selves emerge, are called forth through effectively engaging an unpredictable and dangerous environment and you learn to play the role of your life or risk getting removed from the stage. Healthy Selves act together ! One of the big questions left unanswered here is "what is the true self?". My best answer begins by saying what it is not. Your true self is not the persona you express by making an effort to always 'be your self'. Because if you succeed in consistently displaying this supposedly 'authentic' mode of personality, you actually hide from those around you the other selves your mind holds in reserve for various other, perhaps more adverse circumstances. As a fun sidenote I feel like submitting the notion that with many (perhaps unlimited!) selves to choose from it seems hard, call it near impossible to be anything other than your self. Think about it. Trying hard to be yourself is like uh... Michio Kaku trying to be a brilliant Theoretical Physicist, who of course if he did this more strenuously would be just that still, and if perchance in a forgetful mood stopped trying, he would yet be the very same insanely smart scientist. I suspect that as we delve ever deeper into the endless layers of selves created by our mind no single true self will be found. I suppose that if you really want to know another person, you must spend lots of time with them under many different circumstances, in order to get familiar with all their various selves! And after all.... STILL-THIS-NOT-THE-TRUE-SELF-IS: we have considered a mental module, an amazing biological machine creating roles to survive a deadly Earth theater. Selves from this perspective are just 'stuff', special material to mold and move around for effect. Selves are neither true nor you, merely useful. I conclude the Sense of Self does not include a true self because it's one of a formidable array of modules we evolved to fight for survival. Rather than the path to authenticity, selves are a special weapon of war. Bible verse Proverbs 24:6 adopted as the motto of Israel's awesome intelligence service Mossad perhaps captures best our selves' essence: "BY WAY OF DECEPTION THOU SHALT DO WAR"As I write these words I wonder if a true self exists, a unique pattern broadcasting to the universe and all life 'this is me - I WAS HERE' and all I can come up with is: all of my actions and words. Whatever these words and actions truly were, once said and done, they are me, they are truly you forever.
For millions of years smart folk on distant planets, galaxies and alternate worlds have gazed out at the Multiverse, surely by now some have arrived here to explore, sample, tamper with and utilize whatever takes their fancy, in short: whoever they might be, they're very much into this blue planet and its inhabitants.
FINISHING OFF WITH SOME BIG MODULES Two come to mind and they are big. Did I say big? I actually meant ...big.... and they also differ from the previously listed/described modules of the mind and the body in that they are located both in our body and seem to extend way...way.... outside it. Let's go.
The Religious Sense This mental organ = Mind Module I model as our ability to imagine, that is: to create a vivid image in our mind, of other life forms, especially of other persons and predatory animals. By now it has been hard wired into our brain over 100,000s of years, because it 'works', helped our ancestors survive (while early humans sporting alternative sets of modules became extinct), as demonstrated in the phenomenon of Pareidolia (go click on it here!), a human bias to recognize patterns as faces regardless of whether a face is really there or not. On the ahh.. face of it this works as entertaining overkill to recognizing family members as distinct from strangers, but there's more: in prehistory human nomads, always traveling with the seasons, between hunting and foraging grounds, making camp for rest or nightfall at defensible locations, were like the McDonald's for hungry carnivores, anything with big teeth and big stomachs to fill like Smilodon, Dire Wolf, Mega Croc you name it closing in from miles away on the smell of cooking meats and other human activities, going for a juicy manburger to sink those ivory sharps into. In pre-hike pre-safari days when Homo Sapiens easily made top of the endangered list you might want to keep your ears pointed and eyes peeled for predators using stealth, camouflage and natural cover to close in unnoticed. Pareidolia then was a life-or-death talent to make out anything resembling a face, applying a hit and miss mode, where it paid off big time to see a face in bushes, treetrunks, tall grass whatever NEVER MIND IF OFTEN NOTHING WAS THERE because you could not afford to miss that one perfectly concealed Smilodon mere feet away, pointedly smiling at its Happy Meal. A closely related, literally spectacular example of vivid, visual imagination at work is the talent for seeing Autostereograms (click here!). In humans living today not everyone has this talent, yet in the many that do its real world function facilitates one to observe the largely random, chaotic visual patterns in ones surroundings and lo and behold suddenly a 3-D shape kinda POPS UP. Amazing unbelievable stuff don't you agree? This near 3-D vision capability, running mostly on automatic pilot, effectively unpacks a prey animal's attempt to hide / camouflage itself by blending into its environment, and possibly assisted our primal hunters ferret out a small, elusive quarry. On a larger scale this allows us to see our surroundings, like a panoramic landscape to be viewed, not merely in the 2 dimensions of a camera lens, but in a 'relief' of terrain features (like mountains and valleys) represented by the hard working Visual System as a virtual world within our mind, a whole lot of brain activity resulting in: 'seeing'.
Go check out this here Autostereogram, stare at the image, as if looking at focal point behind it, and see if you can make out the entrance to a vortex/wormhole.
And try again, this one depicts an eagle preparing for touch down.
One more, just for fun, again focus your vision slightly through the image, going a little cross eyed might help too, and some simple yet striking shapes should jump into view!
Now the long and short of our visual talents is that they were shaped by Natural Selection (hostile nature killing off bloodlines that failed to see things right) coupled with terrible Selection Pressure testing all life forms, humans, every body, modules and sets of modules to the very limit. In evolution, the wages of 'stuff not working' are death/disappearance. There's ALWAYS sumtin ready to take a bite outta you . Thus our ancestors ended up with a visual system that saw everything required to survive into the present. But the demands on the evolution of human vision were so extreme that we also saw more than the survival minimum: beyond mountains and cliffs and deep holes in the ground, animals and fellow humans we began to see people after they had passed, as if alive. Perhaps it was a mix of human visual prowess (as just exemplified), imagination and mourning the loss of a loved one. But at some point in the evolution of modern humans WE BEGAN TO SEE DEAD PEOPLE. Right now I imagine, and along with me a great many others throughout time, that when one dies the body stops functioning, leaving our remains, yet an essential part of the mind continues to exist disembodied, as an eternal soul. The evolutionary explanation for such extraordinary phenomenon could be that minds contained in living bodies are not only brain based (inevitably ceasing existence when the brain dies) but also a discrete, robust electromagnetic field that lives on when our body is gone. What might cause souls be so indestructible, impervious even to physical death? Perhaps the soul is the creature of another dimension, the Spirit World, which operates alternative laws of physics keeping souls/spirits in a stable state, alive if you will, allowing for its denizen spirit entities to be born, live and die on Earth, then return safely home. Imagine a place where somehow life goes on.
I also wonder if our imagination holds the power to create the things we imagine. In such a model our strong emotions bonding us to the ones we lost, our thoughts and fantasies and dreams of their After Life over 100,000s of years have been forming a place where, somehow, life goes on. Today I look around and see Mankind has imagined a wealth of spirits, gods, angels and demons for so long it has evolved into a hard-wired DNA-carried Religious Sense, expressing in some 90% of the world population whenever you measure, the majority of humans hold some kind of belief in God, or a Higher Being. Evolution presumably retained our faiths because so far they 'worked' helping believers survive. It helps to conquer with God on your army's side. It's a model for problem solving, like Einstein confidently pursuing his logical avenues of research because God must have created the Universe with underlying order. Then faith in God and life eternal offers comfort when we lose the people we love, and makes us feel less alone on Earth. I believe women have been making a special contribution to the Religious Sense by protecting children and meeting their needs, in particular their emotional needs, thus providing growing men and women with a formative experience of nurturing, of the love of a Mother. Rinse and repeat for 300,000 years and a kernel for gentleness and empathy and being GOOD was introduced to human psychology, starting the development of World Civilization and a Faith that is kind. It's a work in progress. ALIEN ATTRACTION One alien objective could be to be born on Earth, live the human experience, fall in love, marry, have kids and kittens, go all in. Image: Gateway relief of squatting birth overseen by the gods - Egypt. You and me gaze upward into the biggest module of all, the Multiverse. I cannot imagine us being the only intelligent species doing the gazing, so I assume all sorts of smart folk on distant planets, galaxies and alternate worlds going through their own evolution and if at all possible explore the space around them. Surely a bunch of them already have arrived here, did a bit of gen tampering with early humans, went for gold or water or other earthly resources, apparently one crew tried flying a tinfoil disk across New Mexico that went all awobbly and then splattered the big tamale over Mac Brazel's ranch, simply: who'all they might be, they're very much into this blue planet and its inhabitants. This topic deals with the appeal we hold for the Visitors. Starting with the modular nature of human bodies and minds, this just shouts 'powerbank' to my thinking, all those modules, redundancies and energy reserves that evolution has harnessed within us to survive for decades, even a century on a hostile Planet Earth might well tempt an advanced (but not overly ethical) alien faction to try harvesting said energies. Same goes for the Mind Modules, which I postulate include an indestructible soul. Human energies could be used for healing or rejuvenating ailing or injured space travellers. Sounds awful, but captured human eternal souls might constitute an unending energy source for a perpetuum mobile interstellar drive. Parasitic aliens treating us like cattle we really don't want to know, and ought to be considered hostile.
With luck some of the Strangers were of a relatively decent and curious variety. They instead love us for our minds, to be precise, for the path a soul takes through hundreds of lives and sojourns in the Spirit World awaiting rebirth. The knowledge such aliens seek is all the ways and selves and actions over 100,000s of yrs. of one reincarnating individual, perhaps cross referencing with bloodlines, nations and all of human history as well as other versions of us living alternate lives in other Dimensions/Universes. Given such alien scrutiny, they truly would know us better than ourselves. There could be aliens who have a use for human pregnancy and birth. Hybrids from partial alien heritage might work the ships or walk the Earth. But the big secret of human life is that our bodies are amazingly well adapted biological survival machines, so one worthy objective could be for alien agents to be born on Earth to a human mother, and then live the human experience, fall in love, marry, have kids and cats, have a career in quantum physics, grow old and silly, go all in. That would be a mission in itself.
Some aliens follow the path a human soul takes through hundreds of lives and sojourns in the Spirit World awaiting rebirth, seeking the knowledge of one reincarnating individual.
From the perspective of an ET who traveled the universe and did not see God anywhere, our deep and personal faith in our God must be intriguing or downright weird. WE SEE GOD HERE. One theoretical alien study project might be to gain insight into why people believe in God, to the extent that they talk to God, proverbially walk with God and experience God as a living person, even a Friend. One outcome of the alien study may be we're all mesjugga. Then again, our religious sense could make us uniquely equipped to connect with God for real. Maybe there is a band of extraterrestrials of wonderfully open minds and intense curiosity who keep monitoring Man in hopes we're on to something, that is: finding God. However smart you get or savvy on space... discovering God... now that would really be sumtin. purr
THE BIGGEST MODULE OF ALL: THE MULTIVERSE
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