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Post by swamprat on May 16, 2021 23:54:21 GMT
An additional interview from 60 Minutes with Commander Dave Fravor and one of his rear-seaters, Lt. Commander Alex Dietrich on UAPs. After you listen to this interview, and after the commercials, you can then watch the interviews that were aired on tonight's 60 Minutes.
www.cbsnews.com/news/navy-ufo-sighting-60-minutes-2021-05-16/
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Post by gus on May 17, 2021 3:33:54 GMT
For us on this forum we are waiting for the next obvious question "Why are they here?"
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Post by gus on May 17, 2021 9:39:05 GMT
At 34 47 talks of Lue might not be properly investigating and 50
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Post by reasoner on May 17, 2021 18:57:37 GMT
Just in. Looking at this vid, the triangle shapes are interesting. One of the observers said they were pyramids, but curse my failing eyes, they just looked triangular to me, like I could only see a bottom, no form atop. Here's my wish - these were captured with what basically looks like a type of night vision. There was no additional attempts at a thermal reading, no cross-camera triangulation methods to determine angle, distance, and speed of craft; and why would they? These are captured from the sailors, marveling at what they see. But if this has been going on for some time (which it has), why no concerted attempts to get this data? Or have they, and we are only privy to the random sailor or pilot captures? So what I'm getting at are some questions as food for thought. 1) I'm guessing that these are drones of some sort, who knows the origin. Looking at the literature of historical sightings, how often were drones employed? Could there have been drones all along, and we didn't really have a name for it? Or is this a new phenomenon, and why would exo-drones become a thing right around the same time that our own earthly drone technology is advancing? ARE WE TEACHING THE ALIENS!? 2) Why aren't there better protocols for the military to track and collect data on UAPs? Or are there, as I noted above, and we just don't know their logistics approach? 3) The triangle shape makes a comeback, no? It's interesting that the big ol' honking triangle vessels from the 90s now get little cousins. If these exo-ships are able to subvert physics as we understand it, then shapes such as triangles aren't a problem for movement. Might that hint at a reason for triangular (or pyramid) architecture? 4) All the recent credible sightings I've noticed in the news are all out at sea, including UAPs easily moving in and out of water without displaying physical resistance. This might be another step in confirmation toward's Vallee's hypothesis of energy vessels. And that might lend toward another explanation of the shape of the vessels.
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Post by reasoner on May 17, 2021 19:13:41 GMT
Once again, I don't preview my posts, and go with the flow of stream of consciousness.
Some corrections and additions:
My wish is that people who seemingly care about understanding the UAP phenomenon would employ better methodologies to tracking and obtaining data. The US military is one of if not the pre-eminent state of the art outfits in the world. There should be better and more comprehensive data sets at this point and time. This isn't like re-examining ancient history here. These are myriad of cases out of the public eye all happening within the last decade.
I also meant to ask, why are majority of recent sightings all out at sea? Might this hint at why there seemed to be a dearth of credible sightings after the big ones like the Phoenix lights (which may or may not have been a sighting mix up, but my thought is it wasn't, that there was a second after-the-fact military exercise filmed to sow confusion) and Stephenville mass sighting?
And if "the visitors" know that these were in fact major events that awakened the public consciousness AND they decided to change their habits, might that in fact hint that they monitor and understand our communications and make decisions based on the public perception?
There's a lot of IFs and inferences in the above questions, such as just how credible exactly were the sightings, what might be the truest explanation (alien, disinfo, media manipulation, government false flag, mass hysteria, etc.) for the events, and what if the US military is overrated? What if a country such as China is much more advanced than we understand, and things like UFOs are simply enemy psy-ops, while like Wakandans, they hold their cards close to their vest on their vastly superior tech?
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Post by ZETAR on May 18, 2021 2:06:24 GMT
For us on this forum we are waiting for the next obvious question "Why are they here?" SHALOM...Z
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Post by gus on May 18, 2021 3:41:38 GMT
Once again, I don't preview my posts, and go with the flow of stream of consciousness. Some corrections and additions: My wish is that people who seemingly care about understanding the UAP phenomenon would employ better methodologies to tracking and obtaining data. The US military is one of if not the pre-eminent state of the art outfits in the world. There should be better and more comprehensive data sets at this point and time. This isn't like re-examining ancient history here. These are myriad of cases out of the public eye all happening within the last decade. I also meant to ask, why are majority of recent sightings all out at sea? Might this hint at why there seemed to be a dearth of credible sightings after the big ones like the Phoenix lights (which may or may not have been a sighting mix up, but my thought is it wasn't, that there was a second after-the-fact military exercise filmed to sow confusion) and Stephenville mass sighting? And if "the visitors" know that these were in fact major events that awakened the public consciousness AND they decided to change their habits, might that in fact hint that they monitor and understand our communications and make decisions based on the public perception? There's a lot of IFs and inferences in the above questions, such as just how credible exactly were the sightings, what might be the truest explanation (alien, disinfo, media manipulation, government false flag, mass hysteria, etc.) for the events, and what if the US military is overrated? What if a country such as China is much more advanced than we understand, and things like UFOs are simply enemy psy-ops, while like Wakandans, they hold their cards close to their vest on their vastly superior tech? Welcome Reasoner this is currently all playing out so its all a wait and see atm.
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Post by gus on May 18, 2021 3:43:19 GMT
Tucker goes off on the topic but we need all other journalists to do the same at the White House press briefings.
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Post by gus on May 19, 2021 4:33:39 GMT
Tucker is doing a great job being outraged.
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Post by gus on May 20, 2021 12:43:30 GMT
Here we go heads up everyone.
I agree and disagree Triangles are ours. Abductions are real
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 22:26:06 GMT
Goodbye. I'm done
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Post by swamprat on May 21, 2021 1:03:09 GMT
What Trump, Obama and Clinton Have Said About UFOsBY DARRAGH ROCHE ON 5/19/21
There has been renewed attention on Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) in recent days following comments by former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (ATTIP) Luis Elizondo.
ATTIP is a Pentagon unit that studies UFOs and Elizondo told CBS News on Sunday that there is "compelling" evidence for their existence.
His remarks come just weeks before a government report on the topic is due to be published and followed a leaked video apparently showing a UFO off California.
Three recent former presidents have broached the subjects of UFOs in the past: Donald Trump, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton, with Trump becoming the first commander-in-chief to admit to receiving a briefing on the matter.
In June 2019, Trump responded to reports that navy pilots had spotted UFOs off the eastern seaboard in 2014 and 2015 on an almost daily basis, according to New York Magazine.
Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos that month "we're watching" for extraterrestrials" I want them to think whatever they think," Trump said of the pilots. "I did have one very brief meeting on it," he said. "But people are saying they're seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly."
In April 2020, Trump responded to three infrared videos released by the Pentagon that showed unidentified objects in the sky traveling at high speeds. Some service members in the videos reacted with "awe," according to CNN."I just wonder if it's real," Trump said. "That's a hell of a video."
Trump also suggested he knew more about the topic than he was saying publicly in an interview with his son Donald Trump Jr. Referring to the alleged UFO incident at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, he said: "I won't talk to you about what I know about it, but it's very interesting."
Former President Obama was more direct about UFOs in comments on Monday, though he didn't provide any information that he might have received during his years in office from 2009 to 2017."What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there is footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are," Obama said on CBS's The Late Late Show with James Corden.
"We can't explain how they move, their trajectory," he said. "They did not have an easily explainable pattern. And so I think that people still take it seriously, trying to investigate and figure out what that is."
Former President Clinton took a sincere interest in UFOs during his presidency from 1993 to 2001. Clinton genuinely wanted to know what the U.S. government knew about UFOs, according to the memoirs of his associate attorney general Webster Hubbell. During a visit to Belfast, Northern Ireland in 1996, Clinton publicly answered a letter from a child named Ryan about Roswell.
"No, as far as I know, an alien spacecraft did not crash in Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947," he said, but added: "and Ryan, if the United States Air Force did recover alien bodies, they didn't tell me about it, either, and I want to know."
Clinton told Jimmy Kimmel in 2014 that he had aides search Area 51 "to make sure there was no alien down there," according to The Daily Beast. He also said he would have told the public if he found anything.
"If we were visited someday, I wouldn't be surprised," Clinton said. "I just hope it's not like Independence Day."
Newsweek has asked former Presidents Clinton, Obama and Trump for comment updates.
www.newsweek.com/what-trump-obama-clinton-have-said-about-ufos-1592844
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Post by reasoner on May 21, 2021 1:14:52 GMT
I need to find the link (I PROMISE I'll find it, but it might take me a day or so more), but there's a rebuttal that says there are no alien UFOs, that the recent uptick in them is evidence of foreign states spying on the United States during war games and the US doing nothing to stop it. I don't discount that notion out of hand, but there's some hurdles to that explanation - one of them being that these drone craft entering the water, seemingly unimpeded and disappearing because they're picked up by enemy subs. I mean literally. That's the explanation of the article. It IS interesting that these unidentified drones or vehicles have been constantly haranguing the US navy and air force unabated or years, that the US has full knowledge that this has been happening, and it's basically been hush hush but or a scant few leaks. Now it seems that dam has burst.
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Post by reasoner on May 21, 2021 1:48:39 GMT
Found it: www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufosAdversary Drones Are Spying On The U.S. And The Pentagon Acts Like They're UFOs The U.S. military seems aloof to the fact that it's being toyed with by a terrestrial adversary and key capabilities may be compromised as a result. BY TYLER ROGOWAY APRIL 15, 2021 We may not know the identities of all the mysterious craft that American military personnel and others have been seeing in the skies as of late, but I have seen more than enough to tell you that it is clear that a very terrestrial adversary is toying with us in our own backyard using relatively simple technologies—drones and balloons—and making off with what could be the biggest intelligence haul of a generation. While that may disappoint some who hope the origins of all these events are far more exotic in nature, the strategic implications of these bold operations, which have been happening for years, undeterred, are absolutely massive. Our team here at The War Zone has spent the last two years indirectly laying out a case for the hypothesis that many of the events involving supposed UFOs, or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), as they are now often called, over the last decade are actually the manifestation of foreign adversaries harnessing advances in lower-end unmanned aerial vehicle technology, and even simpler platforms, to gather intelligence of extreme fidelity on some of America's most sensitive warfighting capabilities. Now, considering all the news on this topic in recent weeks, including our own major story on a series of bizarre incidents involving U.S. Navy destroyers and 'UAP' off the Southern California coast in 2019, it's time to not only sum up our case, but to discuss the broader implications of these revelations, what needs to be done about them, and the Pentagon's fledgling 'UAP Task Force' as a whole. A big pill to swallow
Yes, I realize that the idea that an adversary is penetrating U.S. military training areas unmolested, and has been for years, using lowly drone technology and balloons, is a big pill to swallow, but as one of the people who have repeatedly warned about the threat posed by lower-end drones for a decade—warnings that largely were dismissed by the Pentagon until drones made or altered in ramshackle ISIS workshops in a war zone were literally raining down bomblets on U.S. and allied forces in Iraq—it isn't really surprising at all. Nor is the fact that the Defense Department is still playing catch-up when it comes to the realities surrounding the drone threat, and not just to its forces abroad, but also to the homeland overall. The utter lack of vision and early robust interest in regards to this emerging threat will go down as one of the Pentagon's biggest strategic missteps of our time. The gross inaction and the stigma surrounding unexplained aerial phenomena as a whole has led to what appears to be the paralyzation of the systems designed to protect us and our most critical military technologies, pointing to a massive failure in U.S. military intelligence. This is a blind spot we ourselves literally created out of cultural taboos and a military-industrial complex that is ill-suited to foresee and counter a lower-end threat that is very hard to defend against. Before I move forward, I must state that just because I believe the evidence is compelling that many of the bizarre encounters with mysterious objects in the sky as of late, and especially those that the U.S. military is experiencing, emanate from peer-state competitors, not another dimension or another solar system, there are certainly well-documented cases of seemingly unexplainable events that have nothing to do with this type of capability. In other words, our conclusions do not come even close to answering the question of UAPs or UFOs as a whole, especially in terms of the many unexplained incidents in decades past. What they do is highlight an alarming new capability set and tactics that seem to have been allowed to be exploited with little response for years while the Pentagon scratched its head and shrugged, or even worse, turned largely a blind eye toward it. And that brings us to one of the biggest problems with this topic, as a whole—people expect one blanket and grand explanation for the entire UFO mystery to one day emerge. This is flawed thinking at its core. This issue is clearly one with multiple explanations due to the wide range of events that have occurred under a huge number of circumstances. This thinking must be changed as it limits our ability to solve some mysteries in the hopes of coming up with some fantastical monolithic explanation for every related mystery. So, accepting that there is likely a wide array of explanations to this notoriously abused topic will be absolutely key to successfully studying it and destigmatizing it in our culture, and especially within U.S. military and intelligence circles. With that in mind, I also believe America's prevailing cultural issues and the general stigma surrounding UFOs was successfully targeted and leveraged by our adversaries, which helped these activities to persist far longer than they should have. In fact, I believe that those in power who snicker about credible reports of strange objects in the sky and stymie research into them, including access to classified data, have become a threat to national security themselves. Their lack of imagination, curiosity, and creativity appears to have built a near-perfect vacuum that our enemies could exploit and likely have exploited to an astonishing degree. (stopping here, as article is too long for one post. this is only a quarter of the way in)
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Post by reasoner on May 21, 2021 1:52:16 GMT
After actually reading the article instead of skimming, it's obvious that the author didn't say NO aliens, just that the recent military spottings are likely foreign state actors.
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