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Post by purr on Jun 26, 2020 4:46:56 GMT
Hi Luvey, off the top of my head (I did spend time carefully reviewing the body cam footage) mr. Brooks attracted the attention of Wendy employees when they saw (and verified, stepping out to attempt connecting with this driver) him parked in the middle of the road / driveway and apparently asleep or unconscious. They called in police. Arriving at the scene, the officers proceeded with a traffic stop (never mind Rayshard Brooks car was stationary with him at the wheel, kinda out of it). Knock on window, starting conversation, all very cordial. Except that Brooks at first could not be aroused from whatever state he was in, then when he seemed to come around, and on the officer's request he parked his car in a slot HE IMMEDIATELY LOST CONSCIOUSNESS AGAIN. Police woke him up with difficulty a second time, interaction still very friendly, and he did finally park his car as requested. Luvey, at this moment he was driving, and the responding officers had to determine if he had been drinking over the limit. Since he next FAILED his sobriety test the appropriate penalties would be pending. Certainly a fine. If a repeat DUI offender: worse, losing his licence, ultimately the possibility of jail time. Like you I'm not closely familiar with the legal details in the States. Not beyond imagination he had good reason to run. purr
Hi purr.... I watched the body cam footage all the way through too, it all seemed friendly until they tried to cuff him.... I saw him running and turning and firing the stun gun at the pursuing officers..... Brooks had a history of violence.... like Floyd. I was at a birthday party many years ago and there was a guy at it smoking marijuana... and it must have been really strong stuff because he kept passing out... sounds like Brooks probably had some real strong weed.... It amazed me though how he was passing out yet was able to shift his car, act normal and fight off the police.... to me that means he is probably a long time user and drinker... his system is use to it and he can adjust to the situations he finds himself in. It was very foolish of him to do what he did.... it cost him his life.... and ruined the careers of two police officers. People lose their drivers license in Australia for DD.... every time they are caught driving under the influence the time they lose their license for multiplies.... 3 months, 6 months, 12 months. If they are driving drunk and cause a serious accident then they could get prison. A mechanic we know has lost their license for 4 years.... some people never learn. I think America's drink driving punishments are tougher.... whether they get prison or not IDK.... and that could vary from State to State.... Thanks Luvey for adding your insight (and some pertinent linkage). As to mr. Brooks running I'm gonna go with the simplest of reasons, guy was on probation, DUI would violate same putting him back in prison (with accumulated penalties/time). So when they cuffed him it was done with cordiality and respect, he was LEAVING and from the vids moving very very fast disarming and tasering (1st shot of two ready to discharge) officer Devin Brosnan (who fell and suffered a concussion), wrestled free from both arresting officers and was on lightest of sprinter's feet. Talk about split second decisions, these officers were being fired at, Brosnan shot, assaulted and injured, and now the suspect is on the run armed with a police taser, then pursuing police is fired at again within mere seconds. Go second guess that... Try putting yourself in these officers shoes... And yet their leadership snap-judged their actions as unlawful and as you say effectively ended their careers. Feels like a legal outrage to me, betrayal of the police (yes a civilized society owes their Police a measure of gratitude & loyalty for their service!), and I can only assume politically motivated. They're not done, it takes on the pattern of a feeding frenzy with for instance CNN reporting (virtually unchallenged) an added flurry of extraordinary prosecutory charges like the arresting officers allegedly kicking Rayshard Brooks while he lay dying on the ground, plus failing to administer first aid. Crazy stuff, and I'll try explaining precisely why. BUT FIRST, THE ONLY QUESTION WE SHOULD BE ASKING: WHAT HAPPENED?
At 10:42 p.m. on June 12, 2020, Atlanta Police Department officer Devin Brosnan arrived at the Wendy's restaurant at 125 University Avenue in South Atlanta to investigate a report of a man (Brooks) asleep in a car which was blocking the drive-through lane. Brosnan awakened Brooks and told him to move the car to a parking space and take a nap; Brooks fell asleep again without moving the car. Brosnan again woke Brooks and Brooks parked the car. Brosnan checked Brooks's driver's license and radioed for assistance from an officer certified to conduct driving under the influence investigations. Officer Garrett Rolfe arrived at 10:56 and, with Brooks's permission, performed a pat-down search for weapons, a field sobriety test, and a breathalyzer test. Brooks appeared impaired and was confused about where he was. He said he had had one to one-and-a-half drinks and denied driving or being too drunk to drive. The Breathalyzer registered a blood alcohol level of 0.108%, above the legal limit of 0.08%.[ Brooks asked to leave his car in the parking lot overnight and walk to his sister's house a short distance away. News outlets have characterized Brooks as relaxed, friendly, and cooperative.
At 11:23, Rolfe told Brooks: "All right, I think you've had too much to drink to be driving. Put your hands behind your back for me"; he and Brosnan then moved behind Brooks to handcuff him. Brooks tried to break free and he and the officers scuffled on the ground. During the struggle Brosnan drew his taser, but Brooks wrested it from him and fired it; Brosnan says the taser contacted him and he struck his head on the pavement. Brooks stood up and punched Rolfe, who drew his own taser and shot Brooks with it. Brooks fled through the parking lot with Brosnan's taser still in hand. Rolfe pursued him and fired again with his own taser. While still running, Brooks glanced back, half-turned, and fired the second shot of Brosnan's taser – capable of two shots before being reloaded – over Rolfe's head.
According to prosecutors, Brooks and Rolfe were 18 feet (5.5 m) apart when Rolfe dropped his taser, drew his handgun and shot Brooks once in the midback and once in the buttocks; a third shot struck a nearby vehicle, narrowly missing its three occupants. According to prosecutors, Rolfe then said "I got him".
Two minutes after Brooks was shot Rolfe appeared to unroll a bandage and place it on Brooks's torso. Seven minutes after Brooks was shot an ambulance arrived and he was taken to the hospital, where he died following surgery. Brosnan was treated for a concussion. The county medical examiner ruled Brooks' death a homicide. The Atlanta Police Department asked the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) to investigate; as of June 17, 2020 that investigation was continuing. The two officers were removed from duty; soon after, Rolfe was fired and Brosnan placed on administrative duty.
On June 17 the Fulton County District Attorney announced eleven charges against Rolfe: felony murder, five counts of aggravated assault, four police oath violations, and damage to property. He said Rolfe should have been aware that the taser Brooks had taken posed no danger, as after being fired twice it could not fire again; that Rolfe and Brosnan did not provide timely medical aid to Brooks and that before they did, Rolfe kicked him and Brosnan stood on his shoulders; and that it was a violation of department policy for Rolfe to begin handcuffing Brooks before telling him he was being arrested. (According to one law-enforcement expert, "In many situations, officers should tell someone what is happening because you don't want the person to react in surprise and the officers to take that surprise as resistance.") Brosnan was charged with aggravated assault and two counts of violation of oath.
A bond hearing for Rolfe scheduled for June 23 was postponed because it conflicted with Brooks' funeral and family members have the right to be heard about any potential release. Brosnan was released after posting bond.
A CASE OF KICKING A MAN WHILE HE'S DOWN OR CHECKING AN ARMED AND DANGEROUS SUSPECT?
I get this weird sense that, just like there seem be a few TOO MANY charges (including relatively silly ones like beginning to cuff before informing of an arrest), one or two refer to real, vital actions by officers Brosnan and Rolfe yet seem framed to resonate with a segment of the public's outrage and fitting into the theory of systemic police racism, connecting to the presumption these two policemen were acting out racist attitudes as well. Sounds dreadful, put like this in most of the MSM, white[sic] police kicking down on a black (or rather a person of color/Af-Am descent, does it have actual bearing on the case?) suspect and summons the horrible ghost of America's Racism Past. There an alternative way to model this supposed 'kicking' and 'standing on Brooks' shoulder, again borne out by the short time in which the entire sequence of events unfolded, from scuffle to the officers initiating medical attention to a shot suspect, namely to Rolfe who was reacting to Brooks firing the captured police taser TWICE, hitting Brosnan the first time, Brooks targeting Rolfe in close pursuit with the taser's second discharge. Officer Brosnan, partially recovered from a concussion sustained during the scuffle, as well as a hit by a taser, was following close behind Rolfe and moved in to hear weapons fire and seeing the suspect on the ground. I think to both officers the events in this sequence were happening in the moment, as if simultaneously. Both were moving in on a downed yet armed and dangerous suspect who had shot at police, THE OFFICERS PLACING HANDS ON THEIR FIREARM, ROLFE SWITCHING HIS TASER TO HIS LEFT, preparing to return fire and ensure gun retention. Simply, if you must check a suspect who had just demonstrated the ability to disarm an officer, for posing further danger, any weapons in hand, what you've got free is your legs. Betcha Brosnan and Rolfe weren't about to lean in close, give away any more free guns. And you must check, survival depends on it, so you connect, pedipulate, control and immobilize a suspect's arms and shoulders until establishing his hands hold no more weapon, pose no threat. Characterizing this technique as 'kicking' and 'standing on' someone seems malicious and politically motivated and to me borders on the bizarre. This is how I read the videos (embedded above, check them out, do freezeframes as taser and guns discharge), again they show nothing resembling 'murder' or 'racism' or 'brutality'. Only two cops working an incredibly dangerous job. I am beginning to conclude that Rayshard Brooks is dead because he resisted arrest, assaulted officer Devin Brosnan, and fired a taser at first Brosnan and then at officer Garrett Rolfe. purr
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Post by purr on Jun 27, 2020 19:09:57 GMT
OK, as promised in starter I'm gonna revisit some reports, prompted lately by how they have (on my mind there's about a handful of cases, George Floyd's death leading) been recently presented by CNN to Dutch (and I expect people the world over) audiences, at this point having coagulated in 'factual' information endlessly repeated and discussed within Dutch media and our society. Information believed. Causing outrage and folks taking to the streets in large numbers in hot anger and sympathy with the US Black Lives Matter movement. Selected the Tulsa teens arrested for jaywalking. Thank God nobody died in this detainment with scuffle. As presented in the form of a sidenote to the Floyd case here, it seems intended to further exemplify a pattern of racist attitudes with cops, again and again leading to police brutality against black detainees. What I'm doing as I'm typing text is viewing and LISTENING to the entire video just embedded. Again if there's any small reason for happiness regarding this confrontation between police and these teens it's that all lived to tell the tale. But it is bad. BRACE FOR IMPACT. CNN (which is the main & trusted source of News for the Americas in a huge part of the world) has allowed its reporting to lean towards the idea that the officers stopped the two teens for a made up reason, 'Jaywalking' as we heard comments by their Mom that they couldn't have jaywalked since: 1. that's crossing the road when the sign's red (and there weren't crossing lights, or a crossing, nor were the boys crossing)
2. there was no sidewalk
3. therefore they were arrested for "walking while black" The fact of the matter however is that these youngsters were walking along the road (which is perfectly fine!), as well as (according to the police officers) in the middle of the road, having the immediate effect that the cruiser coming up behind them had to stay behind them. The boys gave as reason for walking along a central line that they feared police violence and felt safest at the most visible position on the road. At this point they were hindering traffic, specifically the police car idling in their wake, and I kid you not... jaywalking. So police stops, steps out of vehicle, and engages the teens concerning a possible traffic violation, meaning they are stopped by police. I'm going out on a limb here (there's still relevant information coming in right now, including new video by members of the public) saying the response by these lads may be characterized as uncooperative (if they failed to move out of the middle of the road when directed), recalcitrant and difficult (if indeed one of them tried to get away from police while 'stopped') and finally some minutes into the embedded bodycam footage they are seen getting into a physical altercation with the officers, as well as playing increasingly dangerous mindgames with the officers, including repeating the mantra "I can't breathe", using disrespectful or offensive mode of address, combined with dividing their actions in one sidestepping, turning, headrolling, kicking and bracing so he cannot be placed inside the cruiser, while the other keeps calling "chill" and asking "why...officer?" in a role of calming the situation. One teen (the one with the most fight in him) is handcuffed early on, the other ('calming one') is restrained minutes further along the interaction. Simply, this to me (sofar, I'm open to be educated on anything I missed) seems like two teens stopped and engaged for jaywalking (walking in the middle of the road, blocking police from passing), who then behaved like frankly pests, and ended up handcuffed and taken in by police as a result. IMHO this has nothing to do with police brutality. Nor were they arrested from racist motives: "for walking while black". Most importantly, and this goes to the profound impact the CNN reporting has had in the Netherlands: the Tulsa Teens case has no place in a sequence of reports and video purportedly showing white police brutality against black folks, culminating in alleged racist murders. purr
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Post by purr on Jun 28, 2020 5:58:59 GMT
Update on George Floyd's death while being restrained and in police custody:
NEW YORK POST
Never mind this PC Medaria Arradondo reportedly goes on to throw his officers under the bus by saying stuff like Chauvin therefore knew what he was doing and what he was doing is stated as "murder". Let's accept Arradondo's claim at face value, namely that the arresting officers charged with or implicated in mr. Floyd's death had received specific training in preventing suffocation when using restraining techniques. It does not follow that Derek Chauvin therefore killed Floyd intentionally. He may have placed his knee IN ACCORDANCE WITH TRAINING RECEIVED in a way that to his mind ought to avoid asphyxiation (focussing on for instance on shoulder blade or nexus point neck & shoulder) then naturally shifting down into the neck area, as his attention was being diverted to onlookers challenging the police action and at times pressing forward. Didn't Chauvin at some point take out his pepper spray, and of course officer Tou Thao felt it necessary to step in and actively control a gathering crowd. Guys were multitasking under pressure.
Let's further get past the impression that Arrondo's remarks seem like a wholesale betrayal of fellow officers and politically expedient to a level I'd call obscene. The new information about restraint specific training by Chauvin, Lane, Kueng and Thao opens to a chain of logic powerfully militating against Chauvin having 'murdered' George Floyd. You see, if indeed Chauvin was capable of making an informed choice between lethal and non-lethal application of restraint, he was given a strong incentive to go for keeping his suspect alive: he was being filmed from multiple angles, including onlookers' phone cameras mere meters away AND HE IS SHOWN LOOKING DIRECTLY EMPHATICALLY AT HIS OBSERVERS AND THEIR CAMS.
There couldn't have remained a shadow of a doubt that if he killed Floyd inside that 10 minute window were he placed and began restraining Floyd face-down he'd never get away with it. Yet clearly Chauvin, knowing his every move was being recorded, had no worries. There can be only one reason for that. He believed (=State of Mind) he was safely restraining a suspect who was play-acting (including the 'I can't breathe' chant) and as the knee restraint was held for over nearly 9 minutes, even was 'playing dead'. Chauvin obviously made a horrific mistake there. But killing someone by mistake is almost the opposite of committing murder. purr
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 7:43:11 GMT
Purr, CNN is a propaganda outlet.... the same as all the other alphabet mainstream media outlets...
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Post by ZETAR on Jun 28, 2020 12:04:16 GMT
Purr, CNN is a propaganda outlet.... the same as all the other alphabet mainstream media outlets... SHALOM...Z
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Post by HAL on Jun 28, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
Purr, CNN is a propaganda outlet.... the same as all the other alphabet mainstream media outlets... Luvey,
So where do you get your 'accurate' news from ?
Also, when one watches and hears what people say live on tv, it doesn't which channel it is on; it is there before one's eyes.
The political commentary may vary, but the originating message is the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2020 16:46:57 GMT
Fake news and the Democrats are masters of deception.
Fox News for the truth.
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Post by purr on Jun 28, 2020 18:39:26 GMT
Purr, CNN is a propaganda outlet.... the same as all the other alphabet mainstream media outlets... Hi Luvey, I accept that every news outlet has a political slant. The problem with the Netherlands is that CNN is just about all we get! This makes half of US politics INVISIBLE to the Dutch public. purr
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Post by HAL on Jun 28, 2020 19:49:24 GMT
Purr,
Can't you get CNBC, Al Jazeera or Euronews ?
I know that most of those are not specific to the USA, but they must show something of interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2020 3:35:10 GMT
Purr, CNN is a propaganda outlet.... the same as all the other alphabet mainstream media outlets... Hi Luvey, I accept that every news outlet has a political slant. The problem with the Netherlands is that CNN is just about all we get! This makes half of US politics INVISIBLE to the Dutch public. purr Hi Purr, there is an advert on Craig's List asking for protesters offering $50 an hour. This is all orchestrated.... someone is paying people to protest, its not organic.
Many Americans call CNN Communist News Network. I am Australian and figured that out by their biased reporting.... matter of fact they are sick and twisted...! I refuse to watch or read anything on CNN now due to their biased anti-Trump reporting.... A study reported that 90% of mainstream media news was negative about Trump. They are all owned by a small group of globalists that have their own agenda.
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Post by HAL on Jun 29, 2020 19:52:56 GMT
Luvey, Has it ever crossed your mind (being Australian) that there may be a good reason why every news agency is against trump ? Maybe something to do with the things he says and the way he acts ? Just a thought. HAL
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 1:34:16 GMT
Luvey, Has it ever crossed your mind (being Australian) that there may be a good reason why every news agency is against trump ? Maybe something to do with the things he says and the way he acts ? Just a thought. HAL Hal, What is being Australian got to do with it? I resent you insinuating that I am a dumb Australian! Do you, being a Pom, spend most of your time at the corner pub? Are you a Communist? Did you not know that after Trump won the election in 2016 that Soros immediately called a huge 3 day meeting with Democrats, media, union bosses and donors to plan out an assault on Trump’s presidency and take back power…. We have been seeing the results of that meeting for nearly 4 years! Now because all else has failed he has called out his violent protesters to destroy America. pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2020/06/03/yes-george-soros-sent-money-to-fund-the-riots-and-so-did-taxpayers-n487939
Soros bands with donors to resist Trump, 'take back power' www.politico.com/story/2016/11/democrats-soros-trump-231313
TREASON – Leak Reveals George Soros Teamed Up With Obama To Do THIS to Take Down Trump thepatriotwatchdog.com/treason-leak-reveals-george-soros-teamed-up-with-obama-to-do-this-to-take-down-trump/
The Real 'Fake News' Is The Mainstream Media www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbasile/2016/12/12/the-real-fake-news-is-the-mainstream-media/#7fb6179b6138
Theoretically, mainstream media is supposed to show us the most important news only, but generally this idea has been less trusted. Mainstream media is made by huge corporations that receive enormous amounts of money (sometimes from governments, sometimes from private businesses, but always from someone with interests) and often report news in a way that can be considered not completely honest or neutral. Read more on Brainly.com - brainly.com/question/2147394#readmore
George Soros: Media Mogul www.mrc.org/special-reports/george-soros-media-mogul
George Soros, 89, is still on a quest to destroy America www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/25/george-soros-89-still-quest-destroy-america/
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Post by HAL on Jun 30, 2020 20:11:21 GMT
Luvey,
..Hal, What is being Australian got to do with it?
It indicates that you are getting an outsiders view.
I resent you insinuating that I am a dumb Australian!
I don't see where I called you dumb.
Do you, being a Pom, spend most of your time at the corner pub?
No, I don't drink in pubs. In fact I rarely drink at all.
Are you a Communist?
No, but I could see the attraction if only someone was able to make it work. So far it is only very heavy hard line countries that have done this. So it doesn't seem to be such a good idea.
Am I in favour of more authoritarian views than are generally accepted in the West ? Damn right.
Odd though, don't you think.
The people Trump admires most are Putin, Kim, Xi. All leaders of Communist countries. And then there is Madura.
Strange bed-fellows ? For a leader of a Western Democratic country to be chummy with.
So, if Trump walks around in a pool of Sunlight, why doesn't he do something positive ? Like TELLING the nation what it is going to do to get out of this mess it is in. And stop hiding behind the Constitution.
Or is he afraid that he will upset his base ?
If parts of the Constitution are holding him back, suspend them. Isn't there some kind of National emergency going on right now ? I notice that he said he has no particular plans for his next term. maybe thinks he won't get one.
And then it will be up to his successor to sort out the shit he has dropped the country in.
Someone else will have to find a way to recover all the printed money the nation is living on.
I foresee BIG tax hikes all round.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 1:19:24 GMT
Luvey, . .Hal, What is being Australian got to do with it? It indicates that you are getting an outsiders view. I resent you insinuating that I am a dumb Australian! I don't see where I called you dumb. Do you, being a Pom, spend most of your time at the corner pub? No, I don't drink in pubs. In fact I rarely drink at all. Are you a Communist?No, but I could see the attraction if only someone was able to make it work. So far it is only very heavy hard line countries that have done this. So it doesn't seem to be such a good idea. Am I in favour of more authoritarian views than are generally accepted in the West ? Damn right. Odd though, don't you think. The people Trump admires most are Putin, Kim, Xi. All leaders of Communist countries. And then there is Madura. Strange bed-fellows ? For a leader of a Western Democratic country to be chummy with. So, if Trump walks around in a pool of Sunlight, why doesn't he do something positive ? Like TELLING the nation what it is going to do to get out of this mess it is in. And stop hiding behind the Constitution. Or is he afraid that he will upset his base ? If parts of the Constitution are holding him back, suspend them. Isn't there some kind of National emergency going on right now ? I notice that he said he has no particular plans for his next term. maybe thinks he won't get one. And then it will be up to his successor to sort out the shit he has dropped the country in. Someone else will have to find a way to recover all the printed money the nation is living on. I foresee BIG tax hikes all round. HAL. HAL You said: Being Australian indicates I am getting an outsiders view. I am married to an American, and have visited America many times for long stays. I keep abreast of the news every day on multiple news sites. I would not say I am getting an outsiders view, on the contrary, it’s the opposite. We have family over there! Not just my husband’s family, but my brothers son as well and his grandson is married to an American and lives there…. I never said you called me dumb, I said you insinuated that I was a dumb Australian. You have been on my case ever since I joined, so why wouldn’t I get that impression? Good for you I am glad you don’t drink alcohol, neither do I. Communism is a pipe dream that will never work because humans are not perfect. I spend time reading comments around the net and many Chinese hate the Communist Party, just ask the people of Hong Kong how wonderful Communism is. You said: The people Trump admires most are Putin, Kim, Xi. All leaders of Communist countries. And then there is Madura. Well blow me down, who would have thought? He has imposed tough sanctions on Russia and North Korea. He is trying to heal the wounds between them and sort out the problems, which does NOT mean he admires them. He has thrown fire at China and will not allow them to walk all over America, so where do you get that he admires Xi? And as for Madura of Venezuela he has imposed sanctions on him, and he said he would like to speak to him, it does not mean that he likes him. He would like some resolution for the people of Venezuela. Trump is a deal maker and the president. He is not acting like a child and saying, I am not speaking to you wah wah wah…. He is acting like an adult that wants to talk and sort things out. You said: So, if Trump walks around in a pool of Sunlight, why doesn't he do something positive ? Like TELLING the nation what it is going to do to get out of this mess it is in. And stop hiding behind the Constitution. He has been working tirelessly to get the nation out of the problems, with mainstream media, Democrats Socialist Marxist Communist Democrats against him thwarting him at every turn, throwing lawsuits against him for every decision he makes. He also has China owned Hollywood against him… Trump walks around in a pool of sunlight? Okay I get it you don’t like him…. America is built on the foundations of the Constitution which the Communists are trying to get abolished. You would never know about all the great things Trump has done for America because mainstream media doesn’t write about it. They are truly the enemy of the people. Here is a list of his accomplishments as of September 2018. www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/ He has done a lot more since that time. Trump afraid he will upset his base? He has kept his promises to his base and shown he is a man of his word. You said: If parts of the Constitution are holding him back, suspend them. Isn't there some kind of National emergency going on right now ? As if everything was as easy as just suspending parts of the constitution… everything is easier said than done. You said: I notice that he said he has no particular plans for his next term. maybe thinks he won't get one. His plans have been constantly skewered by those who do not want him or America to succeed. George Soros' goal is to bring America down. It could be he said that to stop them skewering his plans, what they don’t know they cannot plan to stop him. Biden held a press conference yesterday, the first time in months... it had 6,000 views, Trump held a rally in Tulsa, the first rally in months and had 11 million views. If he doesn't get in it will be because Democrats have found a way to cheat bigly... one of the reasons they are pushing for mail in voting, because its so easy to cheat with. A mail carriers was caught on camera throwing a Republican's campaign pamphlets in the rubbish the other day. The postal union has put its weight behind Biden... in many instances the political party is written on the outside of the envelope... one wonders how many will be binned by postal workers. You said: And then it will be up to his successor to sort out the shit he has dropped the country in. He hasn’t dropped any sh*t in the country…. where do you get your news from? He has done wonders for America, yet he has been pooped on every single day for it by Democrats, Mainstream media, Hollywood and all the America haters….(the enemy within) And now America is being bombarded by brainwashed kids fresh out of Socialist brainwashing school…. Taught to hate America. You said: Someone else will have to find a way to recover all the printed money the nation is living on. As I mentioned before when you brought this up that Trump has already paid a sizable chunk of the debt off before all the coronavirus and riots started. It was his predecessor Marxist Obama that ran up the massive debt. You said: I foresee BIG tax hikes all round. The Democrats already plan massive tax hikes, if I remember correctly AOC wanted Americans taxed 80%. Trump lowered taxes to help Americans thrive… and by lowering taxes he brought business back to America. He is a business man and he knows how these things work…. Yet he has been criticized for doing it… people do not understand that without businesses there is no work. He has been working to bring business back to America…. Whereas Obama sent businesses out of America and put millions in unemployment. I have seen with my own eyes the shuttered factories and businesses….
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Post by HAL on Jul 1, 2020 18:27:58 GMT
Luvey,
Firstly, Obama didn't send business out of America. The owners of the companies who couldn't get their products made in America due to the high labour costs outsourced the work to places like China, Indonesia etc. It is basic common sense to do so. If Joe down the road wants $10 for an item and Sam sells it for $8, you go to Sam. If you look around your home you will find most things in it are imported. America (and most of Europe can't compete on labour costs. The wiser countries do not even try. They have moved to specialised products. And yes, I am aware that this leads to unemployment in the home countries. Where I live we have lost virtually all out textile and engineering base.
But It was inevitable. No point in trying to bring those jobs back.
While still on Obama, didn't he recover the American economy in 2008 after (Republican) JWB caused it to crash by removing too many of the restrictions on the bank's lending ? And, when you look at it, isn't that very similar to what Trump thought he could do ? But it didn't work.
Taxes.
Of course taxes have to go up. How else can the Fed get enough money to run the country ?
You say Trump's plans have been constantly scuppered by Democrats. But Trump has been there for almost four years.
And didn't the Republicans do exactly the same to Obama ? I do remember an interview with Obama where he said that no matter what he tried to do, the Republicans blocked it.
Anyway. The whole situation has been skewed by this virus. we will have to see what happens in November and afterward.
Clearly we see the same world in very different terms. Best we leave it at that.
My apologies if you felt I was implying you were 'a dumb Australian' I didn't mean it to come over that way.
I also see thing things from outside the US. And I do watch a variety of news channels, and have a reasonable amount of contact with people there; so I get their views as well.
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