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Post by bonehead on Feb 14, 2020 16:33:14 GMT
Hello all. I saw this article a couple of days ago and was surprised that nobody here has picked up on it to comment. Here it is:
www.theufochronicles.com/2020/02/alien-abduction-supported-by-cell-phone-data.html
I thought that this was an interesting development. It may be the closest anybody has gotten to actually "proving" alien abduction. So this would represent a bit of the very rare material "proofs" for the phenomenon. I would be interested to hear what others think....
Bonehead
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Post by purr on Feb 14, 2020 21:27:41 GMT
Hi Bonehead, great find and pretty amazing stuff, at face value it does seem like proof of vertical movement of the phone and its owner, confirming his abduction claim. But first order of business is to list alternatives, any more mundane explanations for this apps record. (Any UFO/alien encounter claim can be debunked, including authentic experiences!) Could the phone have been thrown, launched by rocket or catapulted in the air then parachuted back down? Or flown up by drone? Getting this bizarre altitude outcome. Having read the whole link and the bio of Terry Lovelace he appears a serious witness/experiencer, so I'm inclined to take him seriously and at least hear him out. If a hoax or deception or technical malfunction can be reasonably excluded I guess this is strong evidence a human subject was physically taken up by unknown abductors. purr
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Post by bonehead on Feb 15, 2020 15:47:20 GMT
Thanks Purr!
Well, of course any evidence can be interpreted in any number of ways. I once had a person that was trying to promote the scientific method, say that this was not true! If the evidence can only be interpreted one way, I think that is superstition and not "science".
But I thought that this story was an interesting development.....
Cheers!!
Bonehead
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Post by nyx on Feb 15, 2020 17:15:47 GMT
Unless one had an abduction experience, it is impossible to convince people that these things happen.
Since I have been down the “rabbit hole “, I have an open mind to all.
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Post by bonehead on Feb 16, 2020 17:54:10 GMT
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Post by purr on Feb 16, 2020 20:32:35 GMT
Thanks so much, Bonehead! This really elucidates mr. Lovelace's claims and reported experiences. I read the second part carefully, looking for clues I've learned from my own experience and mental development, there are like 'tells' showing up the real thing and now I seeing them in this gentleman's story, his ordeal.
And I'm excited, happy and impressed like hell... I am guessing Terry Lovelace is for real. No absolute certainty: given vast resources and talent, there is no limit to deception. I have the capacity to be deceived. That said: I'm now thinking of this report as a major case, which includes rare compelling evidence of a physical abduction experience. purr
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Post by SysConfig on Feb 17, 2020 1:13:37 GMT
It sounds very compelling..I don't believe you need a drone to do it..as I can get that length of string attach several helium balloons from a family dollar and connect the phone together... and pull it back down without attracting neighbors at 555 in the am. He shouldn't have had any physical residue of ceiling insulation it was a true conversion of matter to energy transfer. In fact there should be a bunch of insulation on the ufo if this happened and a bunch missing from the ceiling. It would be good to get some radiation or other reading from the room ceiling and roof.
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Post by plutronus on Feb 22, 2020 7:28:24 GMT
Hi All,
I read the story. Interesting. The insulation matter bothers me however. There is substantial information from the abduction community that clearly reveals that the alien levitation 'mechanism' moves physical matter through physical matter without physically impacting or distubing walls or ceilings or otherwise dragging debris along. When I was abducted, Greys, the 'beam' transported me directly through the ceiling. And I too, felt as though I was experiencing a heart-attack, my chest hurt so much. I was awake during subsequent abductions but not the first time, but awakened in Yetzirah during the first abduction. They were siphoning my soul energy which is what caused the pain.
As for the cell phone data as the first 'proof', its not the first electronics to reveal abduction activity. There was a fellow who's marine GPS (while fishing) revealed abduction activity, whom I met through a MUFON headquarters worker, on the old 'Open Minds Forum', before they pulled the plug. I studied that abduction.
And then consider this, 60ft/60 seconds = ~41 mph (65,8km/hr). If that cellphone data is actually available, then it is also likely that the actual altitude data is also available. Sixty feet isn't very high altitude. One would think that an alien craft would be much higher? While many cell phones do not actually implement GPS (multichannel time of arrival PRN circuitry) modules, all cell phones simply due to the manner in which they work, enables GPS like lat/long/altitude positional information. It would be informative to acquire that data from the cell carrier if it hasn't been too long since the event. Most carriers only keep the data for a few months owing to magnitude of data storage required.
However there is another possible explanation that I had not considered when I first wrote this, and that is the possibility that the abduction transport occured at two different speeds and altitudes. It is possible that the transport accelerated more quickly than the cell-system was able to track beyond the 60 ft altitude. If the abductee had been hyper transported to say 300 miles above the Earth, well the cell-system carrier would lose lock at around 12 miles line-of-sight, but if the transit had hyper-sonically accellerated it very would likely lose carrier lock almost immediately. This is just wild-assed speculation, but, it is consistent with alien craft height observations when their craft remain stationary over folks homes, as identified by Dr. Harley Rutledge's, discovery of 'pseudo-stars'.
However, the behavioral feature of moving matter through matter without disturbing the surrounding matter reveals a problem, which might explained by information that was revealed in the original "Voyagers" book written by Anna Gruber Hayes (who changed husbands as though changing socks), and while much of what she elucidated during her world tour lectures seems to be outright babbling for the most part, in my opinion, elements of her original book does in fact describe items that I have been able to find in other, albeit ancient, sources, namely the Rig Vedas transliterated from the original tracts in Sanskrit. Sanskrit as you may know, was one of the three known 'Divine' languages, and is believed to have originated in Sumer/Iraq.
Ms Hayes (later renamed "Ashayanna Dean" and copyrighted/trademarked to prevent folks from plagerizing her texts using 'her' birth name), revealed that there are, according to information she was taught by aliens aboard their craft, that matter exists as result of three conditions known as being "partiki' particles. These partiki are the spin phase of the atoms' orbital electrons. For an atom to be 'physical' in a specific dimension, requires all three partikis of each atom to be in 'coherent phase lock' wrt (with-relation-to) one and another. The greys when I was being edified, as I requested, revealed that there are 7 planetary bodies that exist in exactly the same space or 7 dimensions in the same space. This is directly counter to Human physics, which state that 'no two physical objects may occupy the same space.' The hybrid Grey alien, informed me that they move through physical matter by manipulating the basic elements of matter. Anna Hayes information states that it is possible to manipulate the partiki phase relationships, such that changing all of one of the three that exist in atoms in a specific dimension, allows another physical form from another different dimension to pass through the other without interfering with the atom's makeup or otherwise altering its existence. It is interesting to note that in the Rig Vedas, there is a description of the basis of matter that is known as being "prakriti", and its description could closely be realized as being the same as that described by Anna Hayes as being "partiki". Its not very good data, but is an odd co-incidence if not an outright similarity.
However all that may be, during the time I was heavily resonating with the hybrid Grey's telepathic field, I was able to see something that appeared EXACTLY the same as a graphic depicted in Anna Haye's "Voyager" book identified as being the 'partiki fence'. Before I read the book, I could see the 'partiki fence' which I preceived as being a constructional element of the physical dimension in which I found myself. This was very compelling to me, and while I can offer no proof other than these words, take it or leave it, however, I believe it because I experienced it directly. The graphical similarity was absolutely amazing. Unfortunately, much of Anna Hayes information, seems to be outright bull-shit as my explanation will undoubtably sound to some. In UFOology, one often is forced to wade through a sea of bull-shit to find pearls.
But now let us get to the point of the above. If the above is accurate, then it also should reveal that it is possible for electro-motive-fields to bleed through the dimensions, but only during the period of the decoherence of the one partiki, else we should be able to detect all of the electro-motive-fields from the other present dimensions which apparently we are unable to do. If this is true, meaning during tri-state de-coherence, then there is an instrumentation opportunity that could be implemented.
Something to consider.
plutronus
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Post by SysConfig on Feb 26, 2020 5:50:37 GMT
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