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Post by SysConfig on Mar 11, 2020 19:04:12 GMT
My own thoughts..The virus..if unleashed had to be unleashed accidently or as a test. tweaking a virus for a function such as speed is forbidden since 2015 by WHO..but china continued and succeeded..even while in partnership and funding by US agencies who are very quiet in the middle of all this...Notice Canada where this suspected virus was already present and had it stolen..twice..there is nothing novel about it killing old people...these viruses all do..it's the speed and aiborne qualities that distinguish it from the others. Its a virus with a jet pack.. I am surprised that China would be so involved with this area based on the horrendous testing of its own people by Japan in wwii..maybe they wanted to catch up as the swine and avian flu are starving them and suspect something fishy.. Interestingly the death rate of 14% of those over 80..means the old have at least an 86 % chance of survival...not good if the intent was to kill off the old and weak, and spend enormous resources to stop it..essentially depleting reserves..China is very stingy about that....but good enough by adversaries who knew what it could do..to instill panic..and greater social control of their OWN populations even though the lethality is no worse than the last ones....Massive control..something China already has..events like this make it easier to implement controls..so it had to be an accident by China..or a very lucky bat or pangolini hell bent on payback for our destroying its habitat..like the Ebola bats in Africa and Chinas clearing forests...nature does that...revenge is often best served in a cold bowl of bat soup..No doubt..China is paralyzed..The famous silk road plans , Brics..its own IMF, that would have bolstered Chinas power 10x fold as The west feared ..are essentially in limbo as well.
Any thing such as sightings or high strangeness seem to mark or accompany tectonic social events... so I expect more of that..just like Vallee hypothesized..and while the "controllers" remain working behind the scenes.
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Post by HAL on Mar 11, 2020 20:08:34 GMT
Plutonius (and the rest of you),
Guess I was a bit harsh in my assessment of your economy. Apologies to anyone who thinks they may be due one.
But my overall view isn't too far off.
The problem is that massive consumerism, the need for production and global warming are all tied together.
To cut down emissions etc we have to cut back drastically on energy use, particularly in manufacturing. Economies that are based on consumerism will be very hard pushed to do so without having to re-work the way they live. It's sort of 'roll-back' time. I don't know if there is ever going to be a satisfactory answer.
However, I will not retract anything I said about Trump misleading y'all about the state of the economy, Just look closely at the individual figures. They don't add up.
The whole thing is a true Gordian Knot.
Here is a very good recent example.
Massive reduction in oil demand. Should be good news as if the stuff stays in the ground it doesn't get burned hence less gasses and pollutants.
But the oil price goes down in an attempt to sell more.
So what do people want ? It is madness.
HAL.
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Post by HAL on Mar 11, 2020 21:37:49 GMT
plutonious,
Off topic, but...
I also mess around with things electronic, not as much as I used to.
But a while ago I ordered a few items for a project.
When they arrived part of the list were resistors. 1 Ohm, 0.1 watt, 1% And I couldn't see them in the pile.
Now, they were supposed to be on a bandolier. And there was indeed a bandolier there, but it looked to have an empty tape on it.
So I put it to one side and carried on without those bits.
Last night I had a close look at this 'empty' bandolier. And there were indeed resistors there.
Ultra miniature ones. So small I need a microscope to read them and will certainly need a microscope to use them. They are surface mount as well. 1*2 Millimetre in size. Amazing.
HAL.
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Post by SysConfig on Mar 12, 2020 1:25:34 GMT
Plutonius (and the rest of you), Guess I was a bit harsh in my assessment of your economy. Apologies to anyone who thinks they may be due one. But my overall view isn't too far off. The problem is that massive consumerism, the need for production and global warming are all tied together. To cut down emissions etc we have to cut back drastically on energy use, particularly in manufacturing. Economies that are based on consumerism will be very hard pushed to do so without having to re-work the way they live. It's sort of 'roll-back' time. I don't know if there is ever going to be a satisfactory answer. However, I will not retract anything I said about Trump misleading y'all about the state of the economy, Just look closely at the individual figures. They don't add up. The whole thing is a true Gordian Knot. Here is a very good recent example. Massive reduction in oil demand. Should be good news as if the stuff stays in the ground it doesn't get burned hence less gasses and pollutants. But the oil price goes down in an attempt to sell more. So what do people want ? It is madness. HAL. From The Rest Of Us
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Post by HAL on Mar 15, 2020 2:22:49 GMT
Interesting word, 'freedom'. Freedom from what ?
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Post by SysConfig on Mar 15, 2020 3:11:57 GMT
Indeed Hal..For me..
The greatest Gift we have..is.
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Post by purr on Mar 15, 2020 23:33:09 GMT
A handbag fight between Russia and Saudi Arabia over oil, and a virus outbreak and the stock market goes to hell in a handcart. Interesting. China is playing 'hard ball' with US economy. That virus is a Chinese Military biological weapon attack on US Economy. It is fullfilling its purpose, in my opinion. Plutronus, I find your Chinese viral attack theory somewhere between possible and plausible, yet I prefer it wholeheartedly to be wrong.
Because of America's answer to a bio attack.
purr
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Post by SysConfig on Mar 16, 2020 1:52:26 GMT
China is playing 'hard ball' with US economy. That virus is a Chinese Military biological weapon attack on US Economy. It is fullfilling its purpose, in my opinion. Plutronus, I find your Chinese viral attack theory somewhere between possible and plausible, yet I prefer it wholeheartedly to be wrong.
Because of America's answer to a bio attack.
purr
we are the only ones who have nuked another nation..we are the only ones exposed our troops and civilians to hallucinogens and germ experimentation ..in recent times besides Japan in wwii.
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Post by plutronus on Mar 17, 2020 6:02:30 GMT
Plutonius (and the rest of you), Guess I was a bit harsh in my assessment of your economy. Apologies to anyone who thinks they may be due one. But my overall view isn't too far off. The problem is that massive consumerism, the need for production and global warming are all tied together. To cut down emissions etc we have to cut back drastically on energy use, particularly in manufacturing. Economies that are based on consumerism will be very hard pushed to do so without having to re-work the way they live. It's sort of 'roll-back' time. I don't know if there is ever going to be a satisfactory answer. However, I will not retract anything I said about Trump misleading y'all about the state of the economy, Just look closely at the individual figures. They don't add up. The whole thing is a true Gordian Knot. Here is a very good recent example. Massive reduction in oil demand. Should be good news as if the stuff stays in the ground it doesn't get burned hence less gasses and pollutants. But the oil price goes down in an attempt to sell more. So what do people want ? It is madness. HAL. HAL
I agree about the numbers, they don't add up, but the numbers have not 'added up' for a very long time, well before President Reagon's administration. My favorite news-channel were RT TV and Al Jazeera, but the Russian TV news was censored and Al Jazeera apparently was too broad spectrum for the stupid American public. However, ad rem, eg, back to my point here, is that the news is not revealing the truth about this virus' origins.
The economists are now stating that our economy is moving toward a 'recession' which is political spin for 'depression'. If if wasn't a Chinese bio-weapon attack to tank our economy as prelude for their upcoming planned war with the US, we are certainly now in the shi.t hamper.
I ran across this interesting blah blah blah, which is consistent with a vision that I saw re; the virus origin. See:
Dr. Boyle was quoted: “He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up and is now taking drastic measures to contain it.”
Re; Pres Trump, under dictate of the US Constitution everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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Post by plutronus on Mar 17, 2020 9:47:19 GMT
plutonious, Off topic, but... I also mess around with things electronic, not as much as I used to. But a while ago I ordered a few items for a project. When they arrived part of the list were resistors. 1 Ohm, 0.1 watt, 1% And I couldn't see them in the pile. Now, they were supposed to be on a bandolier. And there was indeed a bandolier there, but it looked to have an empty tape on it. So I put it to one side and carried on without those bits. Last night I had a close look at this 'empty' bandolier. And there were indeed resistors there. Ultra miniature ones. So small I need a microscope to read them and will certainly need a microscope to use them. They are surface mount as well. 1*2 Millimetre in size. Amazing. HAL. HAL
Yep, surface mount devices (SMD) are a pain to use in home projects. So, what did you hack together? Inquiring minds want to know!
A few years ago, I hacked a Black & Pecker InfraWave 1500 Watt (FC150BR) toaster oven. I hacked out the controller and internal wiring. A good friend of mine, who recently passed away, gave me sheets of heat insulation, same type stuff used on the Obama grounded US Space Shuttle tiles. I manicured the sheets, stuffed it inside between chamber and the walls. Now, when I run the oven I can touch it without leaving smokey fingerprints!!
I bought an SMD toaster oven controller from Silicon Horizons (lied to me about putting the schematics on the CD disc, I only did a cursory check when I bought it, then went out of business which bit me in the a.ss later when the board crapped out). The SMD oven controller employs a MicroChip PIC microcontroller that takes an RTD thermocouple input and outputs a couple of control signals one of which I use to control a 120V AC 30 Ampere solid-state 'relay', which switches the crystal heating elements inside the oven. The oven temperature is PID controlled, following the different SMD solder reflow heating profiles to be able to solder those components on printed circuit boards. If I ever put my www.setv.org website back up, there is a project section detailing the various 'tools' that I homebrewed in support of my 'Distributed Autonomous Instrumentation Platform Network' for the detection and analysis of suspected alien objects.
For the others:
An empty printed circuit board (PCB) of a cellphone, the component solder pads are coated with a gooey solder-paste consisting of powderized metals mixed with a melting aid chemical flux. The tiny surface-mount-devices, eg, electronic components, such as resistors, capacitors, transistors, integrated-circuits, etc, are physically placed into the paste which helps hold the parts in place. After a short time the paste hardens, preventing the tiny parts from dislodging or otherwise move or fall off. When the paste is properly heated, it melts, coating the component 'lead' with liquid solder metal, making the electrical connection between the PCB pads and the component.
The entire board is placed inside a heating oven, whose temperature is accurately controlled. The paste is exposed to varying temperatures that 'activates' the various chemicals and flux. See WikiPedia:
For my personal projects the smallest components I buy (metric) are size 2012s and mostly 3216s, so I can see and use tweezers to handle the parts. It is really a bummer to sneeze $40+ worth of parts into a rug!! However, I found that using a magnet can generally be used to retrieve the semiconductor type parts!
Here is a chart for folks who would like to see the comparitve sizes of the components cited above. It is these type components (but typically much smaller, eg, 0402) that enable one to carry a complex computerized, color screen, bi-directional 2-way, full duplex radio, transmitter/receiver in their back pocket..
And for a more thorough understanding see WikiPedia page:
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Post by HAL on Mar 17, 2020 13:14:21 GMT
Plutonious,
..Yep, surface mount devices (SMD) are a pain to use in home projects. So, what did you hack together? Inquiring minds want to know!..
All I was doing was plotting out the discharge curve of a number of similar size (AA) but different brand cells. I needed a small value resistor to measure voltage across to get my current readings. I/10 Ohm would be good.
I could then connect the other data recorder channel to the top end of the cell to get its voltage.
A series resistor (1.5K) gave me the maximum current draw.
In the ideal world I would have used a constant current source. But I haven't got around to making one yet. Have bought the parts though.
Took readings every minute and fed the results into a spreadsheet.
I managed to find a wire ended resistor that was close enough to do the job.
Do you use a microscope for your assembly ?
HAL.
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Post by swamprat on Mar 17, 2020 14:15:21 GMT
If the virus is a bio-weapon, it's not a very good one. It's only fatal to old people and people with pre-existing conditions?
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Post by thelmadonna on Mar 17, 2020 14:49:52 GMT
If the virus is a bio-weapon, it's not a very good one. It's only fatal to old people and people with pre-existing conditions? Perhaps they are the intended target!
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Post by HAL on Mar 17, 2020 19:46:50 GMT
Not much point in killing them off. Their best-by date is up anyway.
It's just another phase in the endless mutation of virus.
And, of course, our penchant to travel anywhere at the drop of a hat.
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Post by plutronus on Mar 19, 2020 17:04:19 GMT
Purr, When I say all living Earth life follows the same pattern I mean that in virtually every case it is a male fertilizing a female egg. This applies to all animals, plants etc in some form. So, one has to ask 'if we (humans) are actually from another planet, why would this be ? Surely the other life forms would stand a good chance of having a different form of breeding to the Alien intruders ? HAL. HAL
A logical progression to the notion of accidental, in the sense that insemination processes should a be crap-shoot or a random occurance simply due to the incredibly huge numbers of exo-planets orbiting the trillions and trillions of stars in the Milkyway Galaxy, 'diversity' is that, as far as we can determine, there is only one source of the process.
Perhaps, as a wild guess, the process is naturally guided by the nature of electronic charges in the process of equilibrium?
plutronus
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