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Post by nyx on Jan 4, 2020 19:29:30 GMT
Some question the timing of Trump’s Iran attack.
How would Iran strike back?
It is a sure bet it’s coming.
Fasten your seatbelts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 20:45:25 GMT
If anything, concerned about the damage to our constitution and democracy, our system of governing, from the antics of liberals/democrates.
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Post by nyx on Jan 4, 2020 22:18:06 GMT
I agree about damage to our constitution as I have meet people puzzled over Pelosi delay of procedure.
Winston Churchill said never waste a good crisis.
I think Trump is following Churchill’s suggestion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 22:56:43 GMT
I think he simply wants to save American lives.
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 5, 2020 18:02:32 GMT
I'm not sure why I should be concerned about the impeachment but every time we've tried to get into a fast in & out war with a Middle Eastern or South Asian country, we got sucked into a quagmire. We are going on 20 years STILL stuck in Afghanistan! We might finally be getting out of Iraq since they just ordered us out and so it is already starting. Thanks Trump.
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Post by HAL on Jan 5, 2020 18:57:23 GMT
Even the Russians said Afghanistan was unwinable; and got out. And they live more or less next door.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2020 20:25:01 GMT
Ever hear of 911?
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Post by swamprat on Jan 5, 2020 20:44:30 GMT
Here is the inside scoop on how we got Suleimani.... For many years after he killed over 500 American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and wounded over 5000 our Military Intel discovered he was about to attack US ground troops with rocket and Missile fire in the Mid East....BUT he was such a coward when he traveled by Jet he always used a jumbo jet and filled it with innocent Civilians, knowing we would not shoot down a plane with civilians....In the preceding day that we got him Intel from a very disgruntled Iranian Officer gave us the time table of where this POS was headed and what car would pick him up at Baghdad Airport...
A US Military high ranking Officer was in charge and relayed back to POTUS we have 90 seconds to strike him, then 60 seconds and finally 40 seconds when POTUS gave the go ahead.... The answer back to POTUS came quickly and was just 3 words....WE GOT HIM!!!!
You can tell your Liberal friends he had killed over 60 thousand Iranians and was the lead sponsor of Hamas and Hezzbolah and the lord only knows how many they have killed....POTUS has done the world a great humanitarian service!!!!
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Post by Ak9 on Jan 5, 2020 21:04:10 GMT
The impeachment in the house was a no brainer. It was an expected (badly orchestrated) farce in my dog-gone opinion.
farce
[färs]
NOUN
a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.
"he toured the backwoods in second-rate farces"
synonyms:
slapstick comedy · broad comedy · slapstick · burlesque · vaudeville · travesty · buffoonery · skit · squib · pasquinade
the genre of farce.
"the choreographed confusion of real farce"
an absurd event.
"the debate turned into a drunken farce"
synonyms:
absurdity · mockery · travesty · sham · pretense · masquerade · charade · piece of futility · joke · waste of time · laughing stock · apology · excuse · poor substitute · shambles
Don't forget the high wire acts, clown juggling and all, lol...
It changes nothing from what they've been trying to do from day one. Senate acquits. Case closed. I've sat jury duty in waste of time charades myself.
On Iran...
Should we just bury our heads in the sand and take it ? Should the U.S. continue paying them off with pallets of cash ? Will that stop their attacks on the U.S. and our allies ?
No...
What's the answer ?
I remember the hostage situation in the 70's...
And, thank God this wasn't handled like Benghazi either and, and, ...
Thank you Mr. President !
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Post by mryelm on Jan 5, 2020 22:33:11 GMT
Personally I am an isolationist. If it was just after WW2 and I had the power of a King*, the whole western hemisphere would be invited to be united. The reason to unite and isolate would be we could easily create a self sufficient utopia! But that's another thread...The reason I mention it is that Trump supposed to be an isolationist. Yes I supported and still support Trump, look at who would have become president if he had not run. Clinton the wildebeest. But Trump worries me due to his inexperience in foreign policy/affairs. Attacking Iran may not be a good thing at this time. Impeachment? That is such a joke a ruse and maybe a coup attempt. I look at the accusers which are so obviously lying at a level that they should be looked at as traitors that maybe committing treason, and should be charged accordingly. Well as a Trump supporter I may not be very well liked here but I am used to that, and that too is another thread!
* King…...The reason I said I wish for the power of a king is because anything like uniting the entire western hemisphere would be impossible with a democratic form of government!
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Post by HAL on Jan 6, 2020 19:52:40 GMT
How can you be an isolationist and yet want the whole western hemisphere to join ?
And what do you mean by 'western hemisphere' ?
HAL.
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Post by mryelm on Jan 7, 2020 0:16:51 GMT
How can you be an isolationist and yet want the whole western hemisphere to join ? And what do you mean by 'western hemisphere' ? HAL.
Hi Hal.... I do see my how my reply seems to contradict itself. To answer your first question the reason I should define what I mean by 'isolationist'. I am an isolationist at heart, meaning I think the united states should not fight a war unless there is an tangible demonstrable threat of harm such as an imminent threat of invasion. Domino theory et al. do not apply. It also means we (the USA) should become self sufficient in every category. Globalization is homogenization of the human race and its dangerous because its Mr obvious because Globalization is the first stage needed to introduce a one world government. Trump is taking the first steps of making the USA independent by getting us out of the awful deals. A couple of examples are the NAFTA agreement and the Paris Agreement on climate change is de-Globalizing the USA. when he United States withdrew from the Paris Agreement anthropogenic
I said I if King would invite the western hemisphere become united. After all the nations of hemisphere joined I would isolate it because it would be self sufficient and powerful enough to be completely isolated. Today despite current dominance in military power and other areas the USA is too weak to be completely independent of other nations. But the future is a clean slate. So I know that my dream of an advanced, fair nation that treats people like people, not dogs, and that unites the western hemisphere is just that, a dream, but dreams have a way of becoming reality. The nations of the western hemisphere are listed below. Thanks for your reply Hal....now please open the pod doors.
NOTES; I should have clarified what I meant by the western hemisphere. I was thinking of the Americas including central America, Antarctica and the artic north. I would also include Israel, due to spiritual reasons. That said I doubt some or most nations would join unless there would be some kind of incentive, and there would be a huge incentive. Other nations such as Russia and European nations etc would be excluded.
The Western Hemisphere according to Wiki include the Americas, the western portions of Europe and Africa, the extreme eastern tip of Siberia (Russia), numerous territories in Oceania, and a portion of Antarctica, while excluding some of the Aleutian Islands to the southwest of the Alaskan mainland.
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Post by SysConfig on Jan 7, 2020 0:20:46 GMT
All I know..is that Iran was nearly devastated by a Sunni Leader in Iraq with western help..including the nice chemicals from the Orkin man that killed thousands of men women and children. Iran knew it would soon enough come to them. Those conflicts..produce killing machines not peacemakers. we are all reaping the fruits of what we helped create..like Isis which evolved from the Sunnis, armed and trained.. while many US perished in IED..Its just a war that never ended really. It's Ironic..that Benghazi served as a weapons running outfit run by the CIA and the Obama State Department to supply Alqaeda and Isis in Syria, with our troops targets, as well ia a loss of a dozen choppers in Afghanistan..(see operation Zero Footprint) even the DOD was unaware of it until the traced a rocket that failed to explode. Then the lid was clamped down on the matter and we got people called heros after being left behind..after a stand down order..The navy did not even know the op was there much less the black site next door coordinates. so you tell me...when Iran discovered this op..and if Soloeimani ordered the hit on an op (and probably more like them existed in Libya)..that was systematically killing our troops in air and land...so riddle me this..is he a hero or is Stevens a hero..?
I would venture to say..that this matter was probably what the Iranians were blackmailing Obama with to get 150 billion dollars and several billion on pallets in cash. and the entire SD and Intel community were doing contortions to prevent a Trump admin from discovering..then there is the issue of Ukranian weapons sold to Alqaeda and the Obama admin profiteering via kickbacks..because what we are seeing is what has been going on for 60 years with our democracy projects..that essentially boils down to..yes..either leaving someone behind...or leave no one standing..To cover decades of graft and corruption..do you not think the ptb would provoke a wwiii to hide their sins in the rubble..Some think it's winnable! and no one would be left the wiser?
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Post by mryelm on Jan 7, 2020 0:32:43 GMT
Thanks swamprat and mrgort for the like! Is there a way to thank those who give a like ?
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Post by swamprat on Jan 7, 2020 1:15:12 GMT
Not really, MrYelm.
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