Men In Black

While there have been some interesting stories over the years ..some even from ufologists like John Keel.., I tend to think it's more likely to be just tales that have been spread based on false identifications of genuine govt agents than any alien MIBs.

Out of curiosity, I looked on google and it is claimed that the MIB started with the 1947 Maury Island UFO in Puget Sound.

This incident involved Kenneth Arnold, MIB, two civilians, and two Air Force intelligence officers.

The MIB approached the two civilians Fred Crisman, and Harold Dahl for reporting the UFO.

Fate and Fantasy magazine picked up on the MIB and pushed the idea on the public in a big way.

My question is what happened to the two Air Force Officers?

Google simply said they were killed?

Any ideas?

It would appear they go back further than thought...I was not aware of the '47 incident..Thanks for that.

Fred Crisman was not really a civilian. He was a military pilot and actually part of the American intelligence community having been a member of Office of Strategic Services (OSS) which was basically the forerunner of the CIA. Once you're in, you're always in. And that was where the first MIB report came from--1947--the same year the CIA was founded. Here's what's strange: Crisman was involved in this first UFO case--it preceded Kenneth Arnold's--and at that same time, Brigadier General Charles Cabell issued a memo that authorized the use of deadly force against UFOs. He founded Project Grudge in 1949. He was Air Force Chief of Intelligence. He later dissolved Grudge and instituted Project Bluebook. He served on the joint chiefs of staff and later became director of the CIA under Kennedy. He was fired after the botched Bay of Pigs. Then Kennedy went to Dallas in 1963 and was assassinated. And who happened to be the mayor of Dallas at that time? Earle Cabell, the brother of Charles.

After JFK was murdered and the Warren Commission was started, they wanted to learn the identities of the three hoboes. Amazingly, one of them was identified as Fred Crisman! When Jim Garrison tried Clay Shaw for the murder of JFK, he subpoenaed Crisman to testify! Crisman did not show because the intelligence community got him out of it.

Let that sink in for a moment: Two men of the newly formed CIA deeply involved in totally different aspects of the fledgling UFO phenomenon (which they seemed to have invented) in the late 40s who did not even appear to know one another, both end up involved in the JFK assassination a decade and a half later. And mixed up in all this, the MIB were born. Oh what a tangled web we weave.

Assume that's true. Now explain how a man involved in the very first UFO sighting implicates himself in the assassination of a president who fired the man who started Project Grudge and Bluebook. Was the Crisman's reason? Or was it coincidence? Either option is still disturbing.

You're not even trying to understand what I'm saying, are you?

I have heard of him of course since he gets mentioned in that Maury island incident...looked up a wiki piece
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Crisman
-doesn't seem like a govt mastermind to me....but then wiki is not always accurate nor complete.

Another link   wikispooks.com/wiki/Fred_Lee_Crisman
It seems that the actual facts on him are in dispute as to his significance.

As to the Maury Island case..it seems many think it was a hoax.


Buzz...do you have a credible link that show he was a real 'govt agent'...a member of the American Intel community?....and who verified he was one of the 3 men or hoboes..? I have only read that he looked like one and it was speculation. Was it ever shown to be a fact?
The problem with so many of these conspiracy things is that tales get started and eventually they become accepted as fact when they often aren;'t verified at all.