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Post by buzzbomb on Nov 16, 2019 4:49:12 GMT
www.newsweek.com/who-mitzie-sue-clements-ohio-woman-vanishes-great-smoky-mountains-national-1145532Tennessee has a lot of mysterious disappearances in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park. So, every once in a while I will do a random search and--sure enough--someone has disappeared there. The above case happened last year. Mother and daughter out hiking. Mother falls behind, daughter stops and waits for mother to catch up. Mother never seen again. This kind of instantaneous vanishing seems to be the preferred method of vanishing in the Smokies. I go to the Smokies quite a lot and have been doing so since I was in my early teens. It's such a beautiful area. Beautiful mountains, beautiful wilderness. But, man oh man, when you disappear out there, you disappear in the blink of an eye with no trace left behind. mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/08/vanished-into-thin-air-at-the-great-smoky-mountains/Here is an article on strange disappearances at the Great Smokies park. One, Michael Hearon from 2008, I had not heard of before. Very weird case! One case, Jenny Bennett of 2015, is a very strange one. Nothing about it seems right. A couple of cases covered appear to be suicides. Neither man has ever been found but there are SO many places you could go and never be seen again. I remember visiting my sister who lived on a mountain at the time. It was winter and pretty cold but I stepped outside her cabin which was built on a sheer wall. Her driveway down to the main road was about a half-mile long. One one side of her driveway, it was a steep drop. You fall from there, you're dead. The other was a sheer wall with saplings growing out of it. I decided to climb it to see what was up there. Man, it was a steep climb! Without those saplings to hold onto, I couldn't have made that climb. It went WAY up there! When I finally got to the top, it was a spectacular view! Absolutely gorgeous with more mountains towering in the distance and nothing but wilderness (her father-in-law owned the mountain). I walked along the ridge for awhile. I was entirely alone. There was no one up there and I mean no one! The only habitation anywhere near that ridge was my sister's cabin way down there. You couldn't build anything upon this ridge. The ridge dropped off on the other side but I had no intention of climbing down there because then I'd have to climb back up it to get back to the cabin and I might have been too tired by then. Plus it was pretty damn cold. After a while I climbed back down to the driveway. Must have been one hell of a climb to make in the summer. My point is, I could have gotten lost up there somewhere and I would never be found. You would have to know exactly where to look. Talk about a needle in a haystack!
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Post by purr on Nov 18, 2019 4:42:34 GMT
Wow, hiking for years, purr. Have you seen anything unusual like BigFoot, UFOs, leprechauns, banshees, or fairies? Never on a hike, Nyx. But these phenomena may be territorial, focused around hotspots. purr
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 15, 2019 4:01:48 GMT
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 17, 2019 1:54:57 GMT
Concerning the case in my last post concerning the disappearance of Devin Daily in Northern Michigan, let's examine this a bit. It took place in Emmett County which is in the northern tip of the Lower Peninsula outlined in red: His car stalled out on Phelps Road near North Ary Road about a mile from his house in Brutus--right about in the middle of the county. Below, the intersection of Phelps and Ary are in the red circle. The arrow points towards the town of Brutus as the crow flies and the arrow represents a distance of about a mile: As we can see, there are some thick woods in there BUT the people of that area would know those woodlands well. Obviously, Devin Daily did. He figured he would walk home through that woods and, being only a mile away from his house, knew exactly how to get there--something he doubtlessly has been doing since he was boy. There are no large bodies of water, no swampland that I can see, no caves or caverns. While it is a woodsy area, it's not the deep woods. There is plenty of habitation. My point is that there is no way to get lost in there. A newcomer might but residents could find him pretty quickly. Devin Daily would not have gotten lost in there. He would know the area like the back of his hand. The first strange thing to note is that Daily was last visually seen at 10 am and then last heard from at 4 pm. That's a six-hour window during which no one saw or heard from him--why? The article says he left home to get urgent care for a minor illness. So, apparently, he did not show up at the place he was supposed to receive this care. Where then did he go? Then he phones home 6 hours later and says his truck broke down on Phelps Road near North Ary Road. He tells his father not to bother picking him up as he will walk home through the woods. But he never returns home so his father drives out to Phelps and N. Ary to find him. The truck is there but Devin is gone. BUT they find his cellphone "in that area" and noted it had been turned off at 6 pm. First, what do they mean when they say they found the cellphone "in that area"? Evidently, it was not in the truck but somewhere nearby. Evidently, it was not dead but turned off. So the question is, why didn't Devin take his phone with him?? Does it make sense to turn it off and leave it there? It was turned off at 6 pm. So Devin hung around that area for two hours?? Why? He said he was going to walk home. He could have done that easily in less than an hour, less than a half-hour. What was he doing sitting by his truck for two hours? Was he abducted by somebody? Whom?? This wasn't some 9-year-old-kid taken by some perv. This was a 21-year-old man in a small town where he would know everybody. He wouldn't have gone anywhere with a stranger when he could walk home in a few minutes. If it was someone he knew then whom? Why? Where was he taken? Did that person come back two hours later and put Devin's phone "in that area" and turn it off? Why take the chance of being seen? Were there any other witnesses? It appears not. -So we don't know why Devin hung around his dead truck for two hours instead of going home as he told his father he would. -We don't know why he switched off his phone and left it there instead of taking it with him which anybody would have done in those circumstances. -If he went into the woods and got lost, why hasn't he been found? If he went into the woods, where did he go from there? -If he did not go into the woods, where did he go and why? -Where is he now?
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 22, 2019 4:36:49 GMT
Update on this case: www.wxyz.com/news/missing-southfield-woman-adrienne-quintal-found-deadWhile this item says her body has been found today, I just came upon a tv news report that positive ID has not been made. This above article states that they did not disclose where the body had been found but the tv report said the body was found submerged in water in a rugged area about 300 feet away from the cabin. This case is strangely similar to Teleka Patrick's death. -Both lived in Michigan. -Patrick told friends that something was after her while Quintal believed two men were after her. -Patrick drove 115 miles into Indiana before her car broke down near a wooded area. Quintal drove some 300 or so miles from Warren, MI to Honor, MI to a cabin in a wooded area. -Both were missed for quite some time (Quintal for 10 weeks and Patrick for 4 months) before being found in bodies of water. -In both cases, law enforcement could find no evidence of foul play. Another weird thing about Quintal's case is that her cell phone and boots were found on the roof of the cabin. Definitely a 411-type incident.
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 27, 2019 5:50:09 GMT
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 28, 2019 17:00:59 GMT
www.mlive.com/news/2019/10/missing-21-year-old-found-alive-in-emmet-county.htmlDevin Daily has been found alive but there isn't much to go on. He was found at night and was "disoriented" but otherwise okay. No info about why he vanished or where he went during that time or if anyone else was involved. We are not likely to get much more info than this. These stories tend to die out quickly once the victim is found. I would like to know more. But good news for him and his folks at any rate. One thing that makes me suspect this is a 411 case is that it happened the same day that Ada Quintal claimed to have a gunfight in the woods of Honor which is not far from Emmett County--October 17. Strange that both Quintal and Daily left their cell phones behind and simply wandered off. Had not Daily been found, it is quite possible his body would have been fished out of a stream or creek a few days or weeks later. Or did some agency, having snagged both Quintal and Daily on the same hook, so to speak, decide to let one go in order to land the other?
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Post by buzzbomb on Dec 30, 2019 4:42:12 GMT
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 1, 2020 19:44:37 GMT
truecrimedaily.com/2017/12/01/where-is-rachel-cooke-texas-woman-remains-missing-as-investigation-is-renewed-with-new-sheriff-in-town/Rachel Cooke disappeared in 2002 in Texas. She went for a run in broad daylight in the presence of many witnesses. No more than 100 yards from her parents' home, she vanished. Nobody saw or heard anything. No evidence of any kind was found. Despite 100 persons of interest and a cruel false confession, Rachel Cooke has not been seen in 18 years. Now this could turn out to be an abduction and murder but it's getting a bit late in the day for that. Maybe new evidence and a true suspect will emerge but I wouldn't count on it. Whatever did happen to this poor lady?
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 13, 2020 16:37:38 GMT
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Post by drwu on Jan 13, 2020 21:05:48 GMT
Hello Buzz......I ck in now and then to read your 'missing' thread. So....since you seem to be into this ,and think there is a 'pattern', what is your explanation for these 'mysterious' vanishings? What do you think is happening?
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 14, 2020 4:48:54 GMT
Hello Buzz......I ck in now and then to read your 'missing' thread. So....since you seem to be into this ,and think there is a 'pattern', what is your explanation for these 'mysterious' vanishings? What do you think is happening? I have no idea what's happening. One guy, forgot his name, says there in no mystery whatsoever--every case is perfectly explainable. He said Paulides victims often turn up alive and said this at some convention because a roomful of people were laughing. First of all, many of the 411 victims ARE found alive!! Paulides never said ALL of them disappear forever. Many are found dead also--Mr. Skeptic didn't mention that. Hard to get laughs with that one. Now maybe he meant this person was found alive and was fine but he didn't say that. In a 411, a person is often found alive but has no memory of where they were, for example. One woman who was lost but later found said that there were people hiding behind trees and bushes looking at her but never spoke. One man said he was convinced something was after him and started running. He thought his boots slowed him down so he took them off and ran for a long time until he forced himself to stop. He had to fight the powerful urge to keep running but instead went back the way he came because he would otherwise be lost in the woods. The skeptic then relayed his highly scientific method of examining the stories. He said he chose 5 cases at random from one of Pauludes books and none of them were in any way mysterious. I am at a loss to understand how choosing 5 cases at random is in any way useful. Why 5 cases? Why not 3 or 8 or 14 or 47?? How did he arrive at 5 as the perfect number? Sure, pick 5 at random. I'm sure there is nothing particularly mysterious about any 5 you want to pick. Guy disappeared? He got lost. Woman vanished around a bend in a trail 10 seconds ahead of her party? A bear got her. Little boy vanished walking behind his parents? He slipped and fell down an embankment or wandered into quicksand. That is not a methodology. In truth, I have no idea what it is. It's not going to tell you anything. It certainly isn't going to find any of the victims. I've already covered what makes these cases so odd: they repeat sometimes many years apart and in totally different locales. Someone who vanishes either walking just ahead of his party or lagging just behind is SO common, it can't be bears in every case. In some of the areas it's happened there are no bears. It just keeps happening. Dennis Martin disappears playing hide-and-seek with his family in the Smoky Mountains park and a few years later, a boyscout in Iowa disappears while playing hide-and-seek in the woods with his troopmates. In both cases, neither boy is ever found despite massive searches that should have discovered something. People vanishing and leaving their shoes or boots behind or they are found either alive or dead without shoes. Sure, one case picked at random would make this detail totally unimportant. But in case after case after case, across the country, stretched over decades, this detail turns up. Clearly, it is very important and it obviously means something.
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 14, 2020 5:10:37 GMT
I pointed out the weird similarities between the deaths of Teleka Patrick and Ada Quintal. Both victims were female, both from Michigan, both felt they were being pursued by another party, both jumped in vehicles and fled into the woods, both disappeared there but their bodies then turned up submerged in lakes or creeks. Quintal was found barefoot, her boots were found on the roof of her cabin along with cell phone and purse. Patrick fled her vehicle leaving behind her purse, phone and other belongings.. I don't know if she was barefoot.
A number of people vanished after calling 9-11 or calling a friend or family member. The phones are often found sitting out in the open, just left there. In at least one case, the phone was smashed to pieces. Ada Quintal made a phone call to a friend in Warren, Mi and then vanished. She then apparently threw the phone on the roof and wandered away. That same day less than 80 miles away in the same Northern Michidan region, Devin Daily called his father and said his truck broke down and that he would walk home through the woods for about a mile. He never showed. Police found his phone near his abandoned truck. It had been turned off at 6 PM. Daily was found a little later wandering around in the night not knowing where he was going or where he had come from. Sure explain that. I'm all ears.
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Post by buzzbomb on Jan 14, 2020 5:27:21 GMT
Had Daily not been found so relatively quickly, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been another of those that call someone and then disappear just as Ada Quintal did. And Daily likely would have ended up like Quintal. Someone got to him just in time, I believe.
And these cases I've been bringing up of late did not come out of Paulides' books. I found them myself. I scour the news and I find them. It's going on all around us all the time and we're not paying attention. This may be the single most important event of our times and we're not taking any notice.
These cases are real. They happened. They have consequences. Just look at the families of the ones who have vanished and see what it's done to them.
I can't explain it. Nor does it seem to me that I'm imagining connections that aren't there. Something is going on. I don't know what it is or why it happens but it seems to me that it is important to find out. But where do you start?
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Post by drwu on Jan 14, 2020 17:49:54 GMT
Hello Buzz......I ck in now and then to read your 'missing' thread. So....since you seem to be into this ,and think there is a 'pattern', what is your explanation for these 'mysterious' vanishings? What do you think is happening? I have no idea what's happening. One guy, forgot his name, says there in no mystery whatsoever--every case is perfectly explainable. He said Paulides victims often turn up alive and said this at some convention because a roomful of people were laughing. First of all, many of the 411 victims ARE found alive!! Paulides never said ALL of them disappear forever. Many are found dead also--Mr. Skeptic didn't mention that. Hard to get laughs with that one. Now maybe he meant this person was found alive and was fine but he didn't say that. In a 411, a person is often found alive but has no memory of where they were, for example. One woman who was lost but later found said that there were people hiding behind trees and bushes looking at her but never spoke. One man said he was convinced something was after him and started running. He thought his boots slowed him down so he took them off and ran for a long time until he forced himself to stop. He had to fight the powerful urge to keep running but instead went back the way he came because he would otherwise be lost in the woods. The skeptic then relayed his highly scientific method of examining the stories. He said he chose 5 cases at random from one of Pauludes books and none of them were in any way mysterious. I am at a loss to understand how choosing 5 cases at random is in any way useful. Why 5 cases? Why not 3 or 8 or 14 or 47?? How did he arrive at 5 as the perfect number? Sure, pick 5 at random. I'm sure there is nothing particularly mysterious about any 5 you want to pick. Guy disappeared? He got lost. Woman vanished around a bend in a trail 10 seconds ahead of her party? A bear got her. Little boy vanished walking behind his parents? He slipped and fell down an embankment or wandered into quicksand. That is not a methodology. In truth, I have no idea what it is. It's not going to tell you anything. It certainly isn't going to find any of the victims. I've already covered what makes these cases so odd: they repeat sometimes many years apart and in totally different locales. Someone who vanishes either walking just ahead of his party or lagging just behind is SO common, it can't be bears in every case. In some of the areas it's happened there are no bears. It just keeps happening. Dennis Martin disappears playing hide-and-seek with his family in the Smoky Mountains park and a few years later, a boyscout in Iowa disappears while playing hide-and-seek in the woods with his troopmates. In both cases, neither boy is ever found despite massive searches that should have discovered something. People vanishing and leaving their shoes or boots behind or they are found either alive or dead without shoes. Sure, one case picked at random would make this detail totally unimportant. But in case after case after case, across the country, stretched over decades, this detail turns up. Clearly, it is very important and it obviously means something. Hello Buzz, Thanks for the reply. It does seem that some cases are mysterious , but to me many are not. I first heard about Mr Paulides 2 or 3 years ago and read one of his books and several website articles by him and about the so-called 411 Missing events. To me it was fairly obvious that he would like to put the blame on something 'weird', and I understand he has mentioned Bigfoot, other paranormal things, , and even aliens . Correct me if I am wrong on this. In my mind I would say the vast majority are strange accidents which happen btw all the time. Do we need to look for bizarre explanations? I will say that I have thought that some might be the result of a serial or spree killer who likes to use parks and areas like that to do their dirty work. My problem with Paulides was his need to look for paranormal answers to satisfy his personal beliefs. Again if I have misunderstood his position please point me to an article in print where he denies this. I think we are dealing with strange accidents from time to time....life and nature can be very weird on it's own without needing to resort to ' unknown creatures' and 'aliens', etc. Your thoughts...?
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