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Post by buzzbomb on Aug 29, 2019 1:50:05 GMT
Hmm. This is a strange case: baltimorefishbowl.com/stories/lady-in-the-lake-the-mysterious-death-of-sphinx-barmaid-shirley-parker/The boyfriend, I guess, but that's a damned unique way to murder someone if he did it. dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/04/20/from-plano-to-dallas-mystery-of-woman-found-floating-in-lake/Time will tell, I suppose. www.strangeoutdoors.com/mysterious-stories-blog/2017/10/22/charles-mccullar-strange-disappearances-from-us-national-parksThis is one of those cases that has been around a while. No one can explain it. Crater Lake has had a number of weird disappearances over the years. Beautiful place, though. nypost.com/2018/11/15/missing-ballerina-found-dead-in-lake/In November of 2018, a St Louis ballet dancer named Raffella Stroik was found dead in Mark Twain Lake about 130 miles from St. Louis. Her car, 2012 VW Jetta, was found abandoned in a lot near the lake which prompted the search for her. According to another news source, her family had no idea why she was out there at all. Police said the saw nothing to indicate foul play. This reminds very much of a report I read a couple of weeks back about a young woman whose abandoned car was found in a convenience store lot in Florida. Her keys, purse, phone, etc. were found inside but she was gone. They figured someone abducted her but when they viewed surveillance footage of the lot, it showed her parking her vehicle and then getting out and walking away towards a lake. They went to the lake and found her body there in the water. The lake was three-quarters of a mile from the lot. Why she parked in the lot and walked three-quarters of a mile to the lake when she could have driven all the way there is not known nor why she had left her belongings in the car unlocked. Foul play is not likely. If it was a suicide, it was certainly a strange way to do it. No one knew of any reason she would have committed suicide. She had broken up with her boyfriend earlier but she was a young person where breaking up is common and suicide is an extreme rarity. Her demeanor on the surveillance footage shows her as calm and non-chalant--as though she was going to go inside the store and buy a few items. The news report also referred to the case as "mysterious."
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Post by drwu on Aug 30, 2019 18:05:55 GMT
Well....there are many odd cases and many don't happen in the woods but right in the city,...but as I pointed out before either one believes there are various normal explanations for the disappearances or one wants to resort to the 'paranormal or supernatural'. Paulides is interested in resorting to the paranormal...he's a Bigfoot believer. Not sure what his stance is on 'aliens' ,but it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks some cases are due to aliens as well. You appear to be very interested in this.....what is your default position..?
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Post by buzzbomb on Aug 30, 2019 19:26:16 GMT
I don't know of ANY explanation. Anyone can sit there and tell it was probably this or probably that. Excuse me but I'm not quite that stupid. I can certainly make those suppositions on my own without anyone's help. I want an explanation. Just prove to me what happened. If you can't then, sorry, but bullshit walks. Bullshit is bullshit whether it comes from a believer or a skeptic. btw, here's another: fox2now.com/2019/03/06/missing-womans-body-found-in-table-rock-lake/
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Post by drwu on Aug 30, 2019 19:29:05 GMT
I don't know of ANY explanation. Anyone can sit there and tell it was probably this or probably that. Excuse me but I'm not quite that stupid. I can certainly make those suppositions on my own without anyone's help. I want an explanation. Just prove to me what happened. If you can't then, sorry, but bullshit walks. Bullshit is bullshit whether it comes from a believer or a skeptic. btw, here's another: fox2now.com/2019/03/06/missing-womans-body-found-in-table-rock-lake/Ok....that's fair..so what is your bullishitskey explanation? So far you seem afraid to mention any possibility. My point here is that Mr Paulides wants to make it something 'paranormal' or he would have looked for rational answers and not brought in exotic ideas . It's obvious he doesn't accept normal explanations when he's pressed. But there is simply no evidence of anything paranormal....the only thing unusual in some cases is the lack of good evidence.
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Post by buzzbomb on Aug 31, 2019 2:15:32 GMT
I don't have any explanations. I spend a fair amount of time sleuthing the more mysterious murders and disappearances. I've been doing it for years even since the Oakland County Child Killings of the late 70s which happened in the same general area where I live. I've been to all the recovery points of the bodies and to the neighborhoods where the victims lived trying to get the feel for how the killer operated. I've traded endless posts on a great many websites. Some people knew what they were talking about and were very helpful, some were unbelievable bullshitters (e.g. "I have an anonymous source on the task force and gave me information not released to the public." OH PLEASE!) In most cases of unsolved murders or vanishings, I can come up with reasonable scenarios based on what the killer or abductor leaves behind.
But there are these cases where the killer leaves NOTHING behind--not a trace, not a clue, nothing. Not even a taunt to the cops or the public, no signature, nothing. I noticed these occurred mainly in wooded areas although not always. I made a note of it but never really gave it much thought until I read Paulides' books. He put in writing what I'd wondered about but didn't form any concrete thoughts about. When I did, it seems something else really strange is going on. When he wrote about the urban deaths of people leaving their houses to do something utterly mundane or leaving their houses without any seeming purpose at all and then vanishing for a while and then being found dead in bodies of water, it was something else I had encountered before but, again, never thought on it long and hard. I just figured there must be an explanation. But there really isn't. Sure, some of them may be explained later on but most of them never are. And it happens all the damn time. These cases I've listed on this page except for the two historical ones, I found just scouring the internet. They are happening all the time.
In some cases, there is surveillance tape but what it shows just raises more questions than answers. In many cases, the cell phone is found not far from the body of water just sitting there but sometimes it is found quite a distance away. In some cases, the footage shows the victim running either away from or towards something that is never visible but in other cases they are seen simply strolling away as though they had some destination in mind but they are going in a direction opposite of where they live and it's 2:00 am--where were they going and why? And that's the last time they are seen alive or seen at all. Then you get cases like Henry McCabe--who knows what the hell that was about?? Then there are the people who disappear for a long period of time and then turn up hundreds or even a couple thousand miles away with no memory of where they were. One guy was a firefighter dressed in his gear when he disappeared. When he was found, he was well fed and had recently had a haircut but nobody reported cutting the hair or a man in firefighting gear and he has no memory of where he got it. All he remembers was that he seemed at some point to be sitting in the cab of a freight truck with a dashboard with all kinds of lights and gauges and such on it and that's all he remembers.
The cases that are eerily similar in the forest vanishings are someone is camping or hiking with his dog, both vanish for several days, during the search the dog comes back but does not attempt to lead the search party to where his human is. Tracking dogs, cadaver dogs, bloodhounds, etc. pick up no scent. What's really, truly weird, though, is that in many of these cases, the dog returns perfectly groomed--as though it had just left a pet salon. It's been in the woods for 3 or 4 days but it comes back groomed. Who groomed it?
And in none of these cases is there any trace of a human abductor at work--no tracks, no pieces of clothing, no blood, no signs of struggle--nothing. And when I was examining these cases years before I heard of Paulides (he wasn't doing 411 then), I remember thinking it was like some phantom was lose in the woods. I would dismiss the idea because I just figured there's probably evidence that hasn't reached me. But Paulides's work made clear that there wasn't. That was all people found. When I read the sheer numbers of cases of these types, I had to admit that this isn't going to be explained by standard means. Some people say it's Bigfoot or a dog-man. I don't know but then I scoured the internet and found three articles in one day that I posted on this thread earlier. One concerns a woman in North Carolina mauled to death by something that left canine dna behind but the type of canine is listed officially in the records (which I looked at) as "unknown." This is all the stranger because in ALL of the dog mauling cases I reviewed from this record, the type of dog was listed--in every single case I looked at. There were quite a number so, sure, there were probably others that were unknown but in the vast majority of the cases, they can identify the type of dog. There was the mysterious sheep-killer in New Zealand that slaughters a dozen sheep in a night but no one sees it and it is assumed to be a dog of some sort even though NZ does not have wild dogs at least not of the type that can do that. Then there is the goat-killer in Namibia, Africa that drains the blood of these goats and whom witnesses say resembles "a black dog." So maybe there is a kind of dog-man or something. Every fiber of my being screams nonsense but I have no explanation for it otherwise.
So there I was with no explanations until I came across Paulides' who has dared to theorize about what I dared not. He deserves a fair look and I am giving it to him. And my conclusion is thus far that there is weird shit going on out there.
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Post by buzzbomb on Aug 31, 2019 16:23:34 GMT
one of my online friends dropped the name Kenneth Howard, less than 2 years old, and asked me to look into it and see what I thought: people.com/crime/kenneth-howard-missing-kentucky-toddler-dad-says-possibly-abducted/It bears a great resemblance to a great many of the 411 stories--child playing in yard or in the house, adult turns away for a moment or runs into the house to get something and the child is gone. Sometimes a dog is with the child and both disappear. There is one case recently where the dog returned and led a search party to the child so that one was likely a case of the child just wandering off. But in the 411 cases, if the dog comes back, it shows no interest in leading a party to the child. But the story of Kenneth Howard has a happy ending: www.insideedition.com/kenneth-howard-found-alive-missing-kentucky-toddler-discovered-near-strip-mine-after-3-day-searchSo the boy, under 2 years of age, disappears wearing nothing but a diaper in the deep woods, a strip mine and harsh terrain in 40-degree weather for three days and he's found alive, warm and clean. An adult wouldn't have fared that well. And this is two months after Casey Hathaway disappeared for two days in freezing weather in North Carolina and said a bear had taken care of him. Could it just be a lucky case? Sure it could. But how likely is it?
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Post by nyx on Aug 31, 2019 18:54:06 GMT
Maybe the bear was really a Bigfoot?
I do not know of a case where a Bigfoot really hurt anyone, and the females are nurturing according to stories.
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Post by buzzbomb on Sept 1, 2019 0:21:09 GMT
But assuming the Bigfoot is real, what really is a Bigfoot?? People like to say it's some kind of ape-man or some primate akin to humans. But what about the myriad cases of people who have spotted them near UFOs? Does that sound like a primate? One of the weirdest cases ever--and I make no claim that it really happened--appears in a book called "Secrets of the UFO" by Don Elkins and Carla Rueckert. It occurred at 9:00 pm on October 25, 1973 in Greensburg, PA where at least 15 witnesses observed a large red ball of light hovering over a nearby field. A man named Stephen Pulaski grabbed a 30.06 rifle and jumped in his car to drive to the field. Two boys accompanied him. His lights dimmed as he neared the field. The object had descended and was now bright white, about 100 feet in diameter and made a sound like a lawn mower. As they stood there watching it, one of the boys noticed movement against a nearby fence. They described two beings, one about 7 ft tall and the other about 8 ft tall that emerged from the woods and were walking towards them alongside the fence. They were covered with hair, had long arms, and yellowish-green glowing eyes. As they drew near, Pulaski and the boys noticed a smell like burning rubber and that the two creatures made a sound like "whining babies." Pulaski fired over their heads but the two never altered their tread so Pulaski fired over their heads again but both creatures steadily advanced. Terrified, Pulaski now fired directly at the taller creature. Both creatures stopped dead in the tracks and made no movement but stood stock still. The object vanished instantaneously as soon as the taller creature was hit and the lawn mower sound instantly cut off. The two creatures then turned and walked back into the woods and were gone. Pulaski and the boys fled.
Now, whether this story is true or not doesn't concern me. But it's a typical UFO+Bigfoot encounter. In fact, Bigfoot's presence during a UFO flap signifies what is called "high strangeness." They don't seem to be directly related to the UFO but seem to be in the general vicinity although I have been told that some people claim to see them dropping from UFOs. In the case histories I've read, they seem to be somehow linked together--UFOs and Bigfoots--but not causally. But during flaps where high strangeness is exhibited, it is fairly common for sightings of Bigfoot-type creatures in the area.
So, again, what IS a Bigfoot? Some Indian legends say Bigfoot is a creature that can take many forms. Assuming such a creature exists, what does that tell us? What are we dealing with?
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Post by nyx on Sept 1, 2019 4:16:41 GMT
Well buzzbomb,
I am old now, but in my early twenties, I had a run in with E.T.s that were pasty white, overly thin, and looked like funny children about 4 feet tall.
I know nothing about BigFoot, but my guess is there is an UFO connection.
What is curious about Bigfoot is that from supposedly from witnesses, some Bigfoot move as a family group, male, female, and children.
Bigfoot sounds like they are family oriented.
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Post by buzzbomb on Sept 2, 2019 0:17:47 GMT
Well buzzbomb, I am old now, but in my early twenties, I had a run in with E.T.s that were pasty white, overly thin, and looked like funny children about 4 feet tall. I know nothing about BigFoot, but my guess is there is an UFO connection. What is curious about Bigfoot is that from supposedly from witnesses, some Bigfoot move as a family group, male, female, and children. Bigfoot sounds like they are family oriented. But the bigger question is does it appear as a Bigfoot family at times or as a UFO crew and leader at other times?
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Post by nyx on Sept 2, 2019 2:54:24 GMT
Well it is like Heinz57, there are supposedly 57 varieties of E.T.s on our earth.
Like a box of chocolates, you do not know what you get.
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Post by buzzbomb on Sept 2, 2019 3:38:01 GMT
I doubt these are ET's but some form of earthly life as much as that doesn't make sense to me. Or perhaps all life on earth is extra-terrestrial then we can suppose maybe a certain agency brought the seeds of life here and grew them. In that case, they would be as far advanced over us as we are above a prokaryote. So, it could certainly use its talents and technologies to present itself to us in any way it wishes. It's even probable, if this be the case, that this agency has split into factions of which some are diametrically opposed to the others. So some factions may have lofty goals of trying get us to progress while others feel that "we grew them, we own them and, if we please, we'll eat them." War in heaven.
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Post by buzzbomb on Sept 28, 2019 21:54:31 GMT
weather.com/news/news/2018-02-16-new-york-skier-mysteriously-found-in-californiaI mentioned this case earlier but was going off memory and so got details wrong. I found this totally by accident but I may as well post it here so we have the actual story on record. Damned strange case: Skier Vanishes From New York Mountain, Mysteriously Ends Up in California With No Idea How He Got There By Associated PressFebruary 16 2018 02:15 PM ESTweather.com 00:42 Skier Lost in New York Ends up in California Six Days Later, Confused This ski trip has all the makings of a mystery novel. A man disappears from a mountainside in New York and ends up in California six days later, with no clue how he got there. At a Glance Firefighter Constantinos "Danny" Filippidis was reported missing during a ski trip in New York. Six days later, Filippidis was found in California, still in his ski clothes and with no idea how he got there. Authorities are working with Filippidis to help piece together his 2,500-mile trek. After mysteriously disappearing from a mountain in snowy New York, a 49-year-old skier was found six days later in sunny California, still in his ski clothes and just as confused as authorities. Constantinos "Danny" Filippidis, a firefighter from Toronto, Ontario, Canada, told authorities that he has no recollection of what happened after he was reported missing during an annual ski trip to Whiteface Mountain a week earlier on Wednesday, Feb. 7. The search for Filippidis came to an end when the missing skier turned up in Sacramento, California, a whopping 2,500 miles from the slopes of the Adirondacks. “At this point, we want to assist Danny in getting back the last six days of his life,” said New York State Police Maj. John Tibbitts. Filippidis was heading back to the Lake Placid, New York, area on Wednesday. Tibbitts said the firefighter had agreed to be interviewed by state police but that he’s not aware Filippidis broken any laws.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 10, 2019 1:22:03 GMT
Godfrey man vanishes without a traceJune 22, 2017fox2now.com/2017/06/22/godfrey-man-vanishes-without-a-trace/Two years after Newport man vanishes, family is no closer to answersJul 14, 2019www.khq.com/news/two-years-after-newport-man-vanishes-family-is-no-closer/article_4c5ddfb6-a6a1-11e9-bd15-ab0ed0b8820f.htmlThis second case--survivalist Marty Lang--is almost like a 411 script. Man takes dogs to woods, man vanishes, dogs found, dogs unable or unwilling to find the victim, cadaver dogs brought in find nothing, helicopters and drones turn up nothing. Unusual things turn up, in this case, Lang's lunchbox and water bottle set on the ground--not thrown or dumped--a few feet from the driver's door of his vehicle instead of inside of it. Something his family claims to be very unlike him. No sign of foul play. "...investigators say they can't say one way or another. It's as if Marty Lang vanished into thin air." But that's how these cases go. Reading these two stories DID remind me of something that happened to me 16 or 18 years ago when I was out in the deep woods alone trying to find a certain river to fly-fish in. I was north of Muskegon on the western coast of Michigan. I was on foot and using a map. I saw where I could cut across some land to get to the river. It was a lot more land than I realized. I was really in some deep woods using my compass. After a few hours, it was early afternoon and I decided I needed to turn back because this was taking way too long and I didn't really know where I was at and had not seen another person in all that time. It was actually starting to get to me how lonely it was. I had planned to fish not hike. I pushed on a little further and ran into the weirdest area I've ever seen in a woods. Despite the sun being high up in a cloudless sky, the trees overhead were oppressive and shut out the sun so that it was actually dark--thick with shadows. There were these occasional dead trees still standing and covered with this red ivy which I found creepy looking. All I could hear was an insect clicking loudly and mechanically and it echoed through the woods which only emphasized the weird loneliness of the place. I was actually walking softly so as not to make too much noise. I came upon this boggy area that was so eerie that you'd have thought it was from a movie. It was black, there was a black swamp, black tree stumps, black leaves. The trees in the swamp were gnarled and actually looked kind of scary. And there was this weird fog or mist that floated over the water and intertwined with the trees. I remember thinking that I had found the secret lair of some kind of forest elemental or something. I felt I was trespassing. I moved very quietly and did not dare make any loud sounds. I was tired so I slipped off my backpack. I sat on a log and assembled a fishing pole and quietly fished the swamp. I knew I wouldn't catch a fish because the water was so brackish and de-oxygenated that no fish could live in it. I saw a lot of tiny green leopard frogs walking across the scum floating on the top. And there were turtles everywhere. Little blackish turtles on logs, rocks, stumps, along the bank of the swamp and I even found one at my foot. I picked it up and studied it. A wood turtle but very small. It's my habit to talk to woodland creatures I encounter but here I didn't dare say anything out loud. I set him back down. I fished for a bit while I ate a sandwich. The sun was starting to descend and the thought of being in this place after nightfall was too scary to think about. So I hurriedly packed and headed back through those dark woods and into this wide field where I felt I was safe again. I remember thinking, "What if this evil dark woods doesn't end and I can't find my way out or I end up right back at the swamp even though I was walking away from it?" I hate it when I do that stuff to myself. Luckily, I made it back to my car by about 6:30 or so. It was a relief to see people again. I drove back to Muskegon and took a room and the next day I drove out to a much closer spot to the river to do some fishing. I remember catching some trout but nothing noteworthy. I let them all go. But I think about that boggy area now. It really seemed to me that I found a kind of secret place that I wasn't supposed to be in. My imagination played tricks on me. Like if I talked, I would be in violation. Strange but I didn't speak a word or hum or whistle that entire time. I just felt that I shouldn't. And I knew I couldn't be there at night. When the sun started descending, I knew I had to get out of there. I was tolerated for now but I wouldn't be then. I had read Algernon Blackwood's short story "The Willows" as a boy and I thought I was letting it play with my imagination. I mean, I just chalked it up to jitters of being alone in a secluded place but, after reading all this literature about missing people in the woods, I wonder if I was on the verge of never coming back. Like if I did something I wasn't supposed to do or saw something I wasn't supposed to see. It certainly was strange. I've never been back to that area and probably couldn't find it again and, frankly, I don't want to. It should stay hidden and dark and away from people, from civilization. It's off-limits.
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Post by buzzbomb on Oct 12, 2019 15:56:27 GMT
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