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Post by swamprat on May 13, 2019 23:34:42 GMT
Former USAF soldier claims he buried metal from ALIEN craft that crash-landed in 1973
A Former US Air Force sergeant has claimed that he buried metal from a recovered alien aircraft and catalogued 57 species of extraterrestrials while in service.
By Katy Gill / Published 13th May 2019
Sergeant Clifford Stone claimed that in 1973, he was involved in the retrieval of a crashed extraterrestrial craft.
He claims that he hid a small piece of the craft’s metal exterior in his boot and buried it near his home in New Mexico, Nevada, US, after leaving the US Air Force in 1989.
The man also bizarrely claims that prior to his departure, he had catalogued 57 different species of aliens.
YouTube conspiracist Blake Cousins – of thirdphaseofmoon – has since uploaded a video of a conversation he had with the former US army soldier:
www.youtube.com/user/thirdphaseofmoon
In the clip, the former soldier: “Yes I have it and wouldn’t dare to keep it in the house.
“I had it here to show some people where I kept it, a day longer than I should have and then somebody actually came here and tried to take it.
“That was some tense moments, I almost shot somebody that day.”
Blake now believes his conversation with the former sergeant “could change history as we know it”.
Sergeant Stone later added that the piece of debris that he claims is part of the UFO is irreplaceable.
He added: “I can’t replace this, you don’t go to the store and buy this and I took a big chance when I went ahead and got it.”
Another wild conspiracist known as Dr J later detailed that after the Roswell UFO incident in 1947, an individual who claimed to have had a piece of the ship’s metal had to hand it over to the USAF.
Dr J bizarrely added: “I would think after reconstructing the craft themselves, they too wanted it back.”
“So the very existence of this extraterrestrial object from a spacecraft which he has buried is dangerous for his safety and for all of ours.”
www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/778468/USAF-soldier-reveals-he-buried-metal-from-alien-craft-recovered-in-1973-video
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Post by drwu on May 14, 2019 22:54:28 GMT
I'd love to hear how he and the Air Force came up with 57 species....
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Post by HAL on May 15, 2019 20:47:08 GMT
I hear that it is the dry air in New Mexico that causes these weird happenings to it's residents.
HAL
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Post by drwu on May 16, 2019 20:59:38 GMT
Dry air and the odd fermented or weird cacti plant....  |
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Post by purr on May 17, 2019 22:50:34 GMT
I'd love to hear how he and the Air Force came up with 57 species.... LOL Hi Drwu, uh so would I  ! Wasn't that the number total of different factions recorded at a point in time in military encounters? My take is that 57 may amount to lots of variety in ketchup (I love Heinz products!) but based on size and age of the universe suggesting Earthly life isn't unique, coupled with the UFO experience pointing to at least one other highly evolved lifeform from its own evolution having succesfully found their way to our world, I'd predict the number of different species in our universe to be really lots, like say in the millions or near infinite. So if anyone's still counting I wouldn't be shocked it's 57 and then some by now. Simply, if we exist, and get under way to the planets, so will others like us, some even with the kind of headstart allowing them to arrive here during human history. purr
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Post by nyx on May 18, 2019 14:36:32 GMT
Well purr,
Humanoids have been among us for a long time.
Now the real question for me is where do these beings come from, this reality or another dimension?
To really complicate all of this, I believe spirits and ghosts are different.
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Post by HAL on May 18, 2019 18:51:37 GMT
Sadly, we do not have proof positive of even one Alien species.
Let's try to keep it real.
HAL.
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Post by purr on May 18, 2019 21:07:47 GMT
Sadly, we do not have proof positive of even one Alien species. Let's try to keep it real. HAL. HAL, isn't it a reasonable assumption that reality is bigger than the sum of everything we have proof positive of? The work of establishing proof, underpinned by research, developing theories and comparing them in a truth-obedient manner is imho a work in progress. I remember Stanton Friedman, who has gone on hopefully to rocket scientists heaven arguing very effectively for solving the UFO phenomenon by postulating the ETH, even going as far as making the case for Roswell amounting to a probable alien crash site, since covered up by the US. Smart man, a great loss to UFOlogy but he convinced me to keep asking questions / brainstorming about aliens and their weird flying machines. purr
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Post by HAL on May 18, 2019 21:15:54 GMT
Purr,
...HAL, isn't it a reasonable assumption...
That's the problem. It's all assumption based on mathematical probability. Note probability, not certainty.
One would think that with all the scientific expertise and the instant communication we have today that we could do better than 'probably' by now.
With Friedman it was very much his way or no way. He certainly went out of his way to denigrate others in the field.
HAL.
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Post by purr on May 18, 2019 21:24:32 GMT
Well purr, Humanoids have been among us for a long time. Now the real question for me is where do these beings come from, this reality or another dimension? To really complicate all of this, I believe spirits and ghosts are different. Nyx, why not both? This Universe is huge, and perhaps one of many, not to discount hidden dimensions and alternate realities. The number and variety of life forms evolving in all those 'places', realms and worlds beyond our wildest imagination, might well be mind boggling, infinite. I model UFOs as potentially carrying/representing extraterrestrials (conceivably folks like us!), transdimensional and timetravelers, even entities akin to ghosts, demons, gods, angels and EARTHLY species we so far overlooked. Note the and and and in sentence  ! purr
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Post by purr on May 18, 2019 21:46:08 GMT
Purr, ... HAL, isn't it a reasonable assumption... That's the problem. It's all assumption based on mathematical probability. Note probability, not certainty. One would think that with all the scientific expertise and the instant communication we have today that we could do better than 'probably' by now. With Friedman it was very much his way or no way. He certainly went out of his way to denigrate others in the field. HAL. I acknowledge the problem life is full of assumption. My position on this is that Man and most earthly animals have evolved to solve reality, including the presence of unyielding trees you could run into, deep holes to stumble to ones death, hungry predators selecting you for a satisfying snack, by dealing with probabilities, translate: UNCERTAINTY yet turning into normal practice gambling your life on this choice of behavior (or another likely to ensure your survival) a thousand times each day of your life. As a result minds are designed by natural selection to think not in absolutes but rather in terms of relative truth/advantage = Probabilities. Here it is not clear what UFOs are. HAL I say, let's be calm, let's wait them out...
As to Friedman, I haven't followed his every move, but I did read how he could be harsh towards debunkers. To him not keeping an open mind was the unforgivable sin.
purr
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Post by nyx on May 18, 2019 22:08:15 GMT
This is an interesting discussion.
Purrr, you could be right, spirits and ghosts could be another form of an E.T.
Hal, what is your opinion of the Nimitz “tic-tac” UFO? It sure looks like an UFO.
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Post by skizicks on May 19, 2019 18:41:32 GMT
Where we get on really thin ice is when we assume that UFO means an extra terrestrial craft. It does not. All it means or has ever meant is an object in the sky that could not be identified by the observer.
This tendency to make this unproven ET assumption is what makes us look like fools.
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Post by HAL on May 19, 2019 19:54:29 GMT
Skizicks,
It is indeed risky to name things we see but don't recognise as ET craft. They are, of course, ufo; at least to the observer.
But we hit a problem when every avenue of identification is checked out and there is still no reasonable identification. This leaves us in the position of 'well, they don't appear to be ours, so where do they come from ?' and if they are not from Earth, then they are by definition Extra Terrestrial.
Nyx,
The tic-tac ufo thing is interesting. But it is another of those 'way back' sightings that suddenly appeared on the ufo scene and seems to be growing more detail with every telling. So I can't say that I have an opinion on it.
I'm more interested in things reported over the last ten years or so. But these seem thin on the ground once you have stripped out lights in the sky.
And it gets harder by the day to tell ours from 'theirs'. If there is a 'theirs'.
Purr,
...Here it is not clear what UFOs are. HAL I say, let's be calm, let's wait them out...
We've been waiting for as long as I have been alive. Nothing of note has come to light yet.
Mind you, some people have been waiting for The Second Coming for over two thousand years; and, like Nuclear fusion, it is just around the corner, maybe in 20 years.....
HAL.
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Post by drwu on May 28, 2019 21:34:07 GMT
We'd be lucky if 1 or 2 alien races found their way here let alone 57....,but regarding metal artifacts, Dr Vallee back in the 80's I believe, went on hunt to track down all the alleged alien pieces of metal, etc that were floating around ufo groups, contactees, and believers. He found nothing that could be shown to be of alien origin. He wrote about this in 'Revelations' and in the same book more or less debunked Bob Lazar and his element 115 tale.
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! Wasn't that the number total of different factions recorded at a point in time in military encounters? My take is that 57 may amount to lots of variety in ketchup (I love Heinz products!) but based on size and age of the universe suggesting Earthly life isn't unique, coupled with the UFO experience pointing to at least one other highly evolved lifeform from its own evolution having succesfully found their way to our world, I'd predict the number of different species in our universe to be really lots, like say in the millions or near infinite.
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