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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 6:09:33 GMT
This is why Stuff n Nonsense is a treasure Trove..all we need is go back to the beginning
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 6:34:40 GMT
Ya know Crystal.. There are those who like wearing a cross on their lapel...and those who like making a point they don't wear anything...as if that gives them some sort of higher ground..their is spirituality..and their religiosity...the form w/o content and of little use in reaching clarity about anything.. .both atheists and many believers fall into the latter..they have to make a point..and eager to invade one anothers space..as if to say I or we are in charge and you are all deluded fools.. thats the hubris of religiosity ...the spiritual person..doesnt need to make a point..he/she overlooks the difference..and concentrates on the uniqueness of every individual...people sense that..and can spot the phony in any camp of belief . The spiritual doesn't feel feeling compelled to bring the other to their way of thinking..he doesnt need reinforcement of his position..It must be dreadful reaching the golden years and not understanding that..
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 23, 2019 11:26:18 GMT
Good morning lovely people,
Everyone must make their own decisions about religion.
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Live Science
What Makes the Strong Force So Special?
By Paul Sutter, Astrophysicist April 23, 2019 07:05am ET
All four known forces of nature have their own unique place. Gravity, electromagnetism, weak nuclear, strong nuclear: Each one governing some little domain of our lives. While our everyday experiences are dominated by the gravity of the Earth and the electromagnetism of light and fridge magnets, the twin nuclear forces play key roles, too — just at very, very tiny scales.
How tiny? Imagine yourself ballooning up to become the size of the solar system. Your hands swim through the Oort Cloud itself, the planets nestle above your belly button. You are so large that electrical signals take weeks or even months to make their journey through your nervous system, making even the simplest gestures achingly slow.
That's the difference between your current size (roughly a couple meters) and 10^15 meters.
Now, run it in reverse. Imagine a scale so small that your current body feels as vast as the solar system. A scale where your movements eke along at the slowest of paces. This incredibly tiny scale is the femtometer: 10^-15 meters. It's the scale of the atomic nucleus.
Into the proton
From way up here, it's tempting to think of the proton as a single particle. A hard shell of positive charge and mass, able to bounce and knock around as easily as a billiard ball. But in reality, a proton is made of three smaller particles. These particles have the delightfully quirky name of quarks. There are a total of six kinds of quarks in nature, but for our close examination of the proton we only need to care about two of them, named the up and down quarks.
Like I said, a proton is a triplet of quarks: two up quarks and one down quark. These quarks bind together as a team, and that bound team is what we call a proton.
Except, that shouldn't make any sense.
The two up quarks have the exact same electric charge (because they're the exact same kind of particle), so they should absolutely hate each other. How do they stay so tightly glued?
And what's more, we know from quantum mechanics that two quarks can't share the exact same state — you can't have two of the same kind bound together like that. Those two up quarks shouldn't be allowed to coexist together like that. And yet they not only tolerate each other, but seem to really enjoy the company!
What's going on?
A different color
In the 1950s and '60s, physicists began to realize that the proton is not fundamental — it can be broken down into smaller parts. So they did a bunch of experiments and developed a bunch of theories to crack that particular nut. And they immediately ran into a) the existence of quarks and b) the puzzling conundrums above.
Something was holding those three quarks together. Something really, really strong. A new force of nature.
The strong force.
The then-hypothesized strong force solved the problems of coexisting quarks by simple brute force. Oh, you don't like to be together because you can't share the same state? Well, too bad, the strong force is going to make you do it anyway, and it's going to provide a way around that problem.
And every force has a connection point. A hook. A way of telling that force how much you are affected by it. For the electromagnetic force it's the electric charge. For gravity it's the mass. For the strong nuclear force, physicists had to come up with a new hook. A way for a quark to connect to another quark via that force. And physicists chose the word color.
Thus if you or a particle you know has this new property called color, then you get to feel the strong nuclear force. Your color can be one of red, green, or blue (confusingly there is also anti-red, anti-green and anti-blue, because of course life isn't that simple). To build a particle like a proton, all the colors of the quarks have to add up to white. Thus one quark gets assigned to be red, the other assigned to be green, and the last assigned to be blue. The particular assignment of color doesn't actually matter (and, in fact, the individual quarks constantly change color), what matters is that they all add up to white and that the strong force can do its work.
This new property of color is what allows the quarks to share a state inside a proton. With color, no two quarks are exactly the same — they now have different colors.
Super strength
Imagine taking two little pliers and grabbing two of the quarks in the proton. You work out, so you are able to overcome the strength of the strong nuclear force holding them together.
But here's something weird about the strong force: It doesn't diminish with distance. Other forces, like gravity and electromagnetism, do. But the strong force stays just as strong as it always is, no matter how far apart those quarks are.
So as you tug on those quarks, you have to keep adding more and more energy to maintain the separation. You eventually add so much energy that, energy being equivalent to mass and all that, new particles appear in the vacuum between the quarks. New particles like … other quarks.
These new quarks almost immediately find their newly separated friends and bind together, tossing all your hard work and sweat away in a single flash of energy before the distance between them is even noticeable. By the time you think you've separated the quarks, they've already found new ones to bind to. This effect is known as quark confinement: The strong force is actually so dang strong that it prevents us from ever seeing a quark in isolation.
It's a shame we'll never get to see what its color is.
Learn more by listening to the episode "What makes the strong force so strong?"on the Ask A Spaceman podcast, available on iTunes and on the Web at www.askaspaceman.com. Thanks to Kayja N. and Ter B. for the questions that led to this piece!
www.livescience.com/65295-what-is-strong-nuclear-force.html
Crystal
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 23, 2019 11:36:23 GMT
Atlas Obscura
In Jordan, Bedouins Are Preserving Ancient Rock Art With an App
Locals are using their phones to document and assess the engravings of Wadi Rum.
by Robin George Andrews April 22, 2019
Ancient engravings, like this one, represent a piece of the cultural heritage of the Bedouins.
If you’ve seen The Martian, then you didn’t just see Matt Damon’s stranded astronaut trying to escape the Red Planet. You also saw the stunning backdrop that stood in for Mars: Wadi Rum, a UNESCO World Heritage Site that’s home to a citizen science experiment like few others.
Located in southernmost Jordan, this area, sometimes known as the Valley of the Moon, contains sweeping sand dunes, burnt-red sandstone arches and canyons, and an abundance of rock art, much of which dates back several millennia. These markings were made by the ancestors of the nomadic Bedouin communities that still populate and traverse the area today.
Those ancient engravings, featuring both images and text, represent the cultural heritage of the Bedouins. Sadly, such rock art has been subjected to extensive damage from a range of antagonists, including climate change, erosion, vandals, tourists, and even treasure hunters who mistakenly suspected such carvings indicated something was buried nearby. There has been no major effort to properly document this art, meaning these rich historical artifacts have been slowly fading from both the landscape and the memories of those living there.
Times, finally, have changed. Today, when a Bedouin stumbles across a piece of rock art, they will instead do something their ancestors never could: Take out a smartphone and capture a geotagged photograph of it. Using a bespoke app, they will also record the quality of the rock art and its level of degradation. After uploading this file to a database full of entries just like it, they’ll carry on moving through the desert.
Although American scholars traveled to Jordan in order to provide training for the app, this was intended to be a project run by the communities living in and around Wadi Rum. That means that the Bedouins have a tool to create a digital atlas of their ancestors’ stories, empowering them to prevent their cultural heritage from disappearing into the sand.
Kaelin Groom, a geographer at Arizona State University, explains that some of the rock art in Wadi Rum is up to 5,000 years old. As well as containing Thamudic descriptions—a blanket term given to ancient regional texts that are poorly understood—these engravings frequently depict animals that no longer live in Jordan, including ostriches, lions, oryxes, ibex, and hyena.
Casey Allen, a lecturer in environmental and earth sciences at the University of the West Indies, visited the area in 2016, and found rock art to be a somewhat understated part of the landscape. He says that local guides didn’t understand why anyone would want to see it compared to ancient buildings or majestic sandstone arches. Allen recalls that tour guides knew a handful of rock art locations, but each gave their own bespoke explanations of what they represented for the delight of their audiences. As in plenty of other places around the world, these fun stories were perhaps not rooted in fact.
Groom notes that archaeological work had certainly been conducted in the area before, but the locals were rarely happy with how it panned out. Although a huge amount of knowledge exists within the local communities, the Bedouins were usually only consulted in order to help non-local researchers locate a given site. Meanwhile, those researchers conducted their work and published in journals that the Bedouins didn’t have access to.
In 2005, Niccole Cerveny, now a professor of geography at Mesa Community College in Arizona, finished her doctoral degree. During her studies, she created the Rock Art Stability Index, or RASI. It was designed to be a simple, quick way to assess how damaged or eroded rock art anywhere in the world was, and thereby help local communities to understand what needed to be protected.
Here’s how it works. You find a rock art panel, and then make a sketch or take a photograph of it while noting its GPS coordinates. You then have a list of 36 different rock-decay forms you have to identify, scoring them between a zero (no damage) and a three (this type of damage dominates the rock panel). Extra detail on the quality of the panel and what it shows is permitted. In order to erase bias, you can get multiple people to judge the same rock art panel and average out their scores.
Taking surface observations and quickly converting them into an overall stability score, Groom explains, “gives you a very detailed view of what’s happening relatively quickly.” Other assessment tools are too slow, too expensive, or too technical for non-specialists. RASI can be used by anyone with basic training in what to look out for, with no specific expertise required beforehand. “That’s why it’s so effective,” Groom says.
RASI’s power was quickly recognized by other researchers, who worked with Cerveny to build on the original model. The powers-that-be also grasped the tool’s potential: Groom explains that it was given a hefty grant by the U.S. government to assess petroglyphs in Arizona’s Petrified Forest National Park in 2009. Groom, who apprenticed under Cerveny, used RASI all over, from Grenada to Colorado and New Mexico. In the southwestern U.S., this ever-growing team of rock art hunters worked with Native American communities and trained them to use RASI.
Groom eventually started talking to staff at the Sustainable Cultural Heritage Through Engagement of Local Communities Project, or SCHEP. Funded by USAID, SCHEP aims to promote, preserve, and manage cultural heritage resources in Jordan via a community-led approach. Knowing Groom had worked extensively with rock art before, representatives from SCHEP approached her in 2016 and asked if she could help out in the Wadi Rum Protected Area. Specifically, they weren’t quite sure how to best satiate UNESCO’s demands to better integrate the local community.
RASI, Groom thought, was perfect. She could travel to Wadi Rum with her colleagues and train the Bedouins to use RASI as the Native American communities had.
But as George Bevan, a digital photogrammetry expert at Queen’s University, explains, RASI needed some modifications to succeed in the Valley of the Moon. Bevan had become interested in how photographic techniques and suites of digital cartography tools, known as geographic information systems (GIS), changed how aspects of the environment were being documented.
Bevan noticed that in the world of digital cartography, everything was becoming mobile. From the U.S. to Jordan, companies engaging in any sort of mapping were choosing mobile apps rather than more traditional, analogue methods to visualize everything from water infrastructure to electrical grids. Rather than using stacks of paper, piles of photographs, and separate GPS-recording tech, he wondered if the same technical efficiency available to mapmakers could be applied to RASI in Wadi Rum.
Serendipitously, by 2015, the Bedouins all had smartphones. They “were really unwilling to give up their Nokia phones due to their extensive battery life,” Bevan explains. However, the benefits of smartphones, including social media access, won them over in the end.
This proved to be fundamental to the success of the project. Not only could an app be developed for these phones that could digitize RASI and make it more efficient, but the geotagging ability of the phones’ inbuilt cameras meant no separate GPS tech was required. As a bonus, each RASI entry could be quickly uploaded to a private database that only authorized team members and government officials could see, ensuring the rock art site locations could be kept a secret from both vandals and clumsy tourists.
After this breakthrough, development of the Wadi Rum project escalated quickly. As well as Groom, Allen, and Bevan, staff from the Wadi Rum Protected Area, SCHEP, the Aqaba Special Economic Zone Authority, the Jordanian Department of Antiquities, the American Center for Oriental Research, and two Jordanian scholars in epigraphy, Ibrahim Sadaqa and Zeyad al-Salameen, all signed up to participate.
In the spring of 2017, Bevan, Groom, and Allen headed out into the field, and the Community-Based Rock Art and Epigraphic Recording project began. They coordinated the training sessions, but ultimately, they wanted to enable locals to do the job themselves as the researchers receded into the background.
“Studies have shown that when a community is invested in protected something, it’ll be more protected,” says Groom. “It’s so much easier to provide training to someone who already cares than to try and get someone who has training to get them to care about something.”
In order to make the RASI app more useful, developers made it multilingual so that local communities could refer to and understand things not just in Arabic, but in their own dialect. As Bevan explains, translating geomorphological terms was “quite the endeavor,” but Mohammad Dmeian Al Zalabieh, a Bedouin staff member working in the Wadi Rum Protected Area, was crucial to this effort. Not only did he learn English quickly and help with the translations, but he also proved to be a fantastic recruiter of other Bedouins who were keen to help with the project and become qualified “Rock Art Rangers.”
After working together on around 200 different rock art sites for a couple of months, the scholars left the locals to it. In just a few months after the researchers departed, the Bedouins documented over a thousand different rock art panels across Wadi Rum.
The initial mapping period, from 2017 to 2018, blew through all expectations, not just in terms of the archaeological data gathered, but also in how connected the local communities became to this part of their cultural history. “It raised their awareness about the importance of this place and its history,” explains Al Zalabieh.
Cerveny, who visited Wadi Rum during the project, says that “it’s thrilling to see RASI being used as intended.”
The project has just been awarded a three-year funding extension from USAID, and the team members hope to expand the scope of their work. They want to start educational programs with local schools, and get more Bedouin women involved, as long as they are comfortable doing so.
The team has already established the Stone Heritage Research Alliance LLC, a private company that provides professional certifications in RASI, as well as management and consultation services, to other communities with under-serviced rock art heritage. “We want to make stone heritage research and management accessible to everyone,” says Groom.
As well as showcasing the history of the landscape and the people in it, Allen explains that in the future, he and his colleagues hope to highlight more of the science behind rock art preservation as well.
“What we really need is not just specialized rock art guides, but also natural history guides, too,” says Nizar al Adarbeh, Chief of Party for SCHEP. These guides will ensure that communities understand the geology and the formation of Wadi Rum itself, as well as its biodiversity. “To have the first natural history guides in Wadi Rum, run by the community, would be a huge breakthrough,” says Al Adarbeh.
When enough research has been conducted, Al Adarbeh hopes to bring augmented reality to the project, to showcase the communities’ work to visitors in unprecedented detail. As an example, he suggests tourists being shown the sites can use their phones to reveal hidden information, such as translations of the scripts or how old a specific site is. Al Zalabieh, for now, says he wants to keep boosting his language skills in order to “share this heritage to a wider audience,” while working with everyone that wants to chip in to find the best way to protect the rock art for future generations.
Groom underscores that RASI was never guaranteed to work in Wadi Rum, and communities don’t always want to take part. In this case, she asserts, “the community is the success of the project.”
www.atlasobscura.com/articles/bedouins-rock-art-stability-index-wadi-rum
Crystal
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Post by HAL on Apr 23, 2019 21:05:31 GMT
Sys, (and Crystal),
... The spiritual doesn't feel feeling compelled to bring the other to their way of thinking..he doesnt need reinforcement of his position..It must be dreadful reaching the golden years and not understanding that..
Here you are mixing up the spiritual person and religion. They are not necessarily the same thing.
I don't want to dwell on religion, that wasn't the point of the post I made. But I think you will agree that the group we know as ISIS will insist you come around to their way of thinking, or they will kill you.
Anyway, the point wasn't religion, it was the existence or otherwise of God.
Crystal believes in God. Fine, no problem at all with that. But it does beg the question 'Why' ?
And the only reason I ask this is because my real aim is to know why people believe in Aliens. And the ufo scene in general.
Religion is problematic because no one was keeping contemporaneous notes. All the text were complied years after the events. So we can't be sure how much is fact and how much is 'padding' to make the bits fit together. Plus the 'lost in translation' effects.
But the ufo is a relatively recent phenomena. And one would think it should be easy to bring together all the records. But it isn't. And in the end we are right back to 'are ufos real 'objects', do aliens exist as corporeal entities, or is it all a big delusion.
And is human nature the problem ?
HAL.
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 23, 2019 22:05:02 GMT
Sys, (and Crystal), ... The spiritual doesn't feel feeling compelled to bring the other to their way of thinking..he doesnt need reinforcement of his position..It must be dreadful reaching the golden years and not understanding that.. Here you are mixing up the spiritual person and religion. They are not necessarily the same thing. I don't want to dwell on religion, that wasn't the point of the post I made. But I think you will agree that the group we know as ISIS will insist you come around to their way of thinking, or they will kill you. Anyway, the point wasn't religion, it was the existence or otherwise of God. Crystal believes in God. Fine, no problem at all with that. But it does beg the question 'Why' ? And the only reason I ask this is because my real aim is to know why people believe in Aliens. And the ufo scene in general. Religion is problematic because no one was keeping contemporaneous notes. All the text were complied years after the events. So we can't be sure how much is fact and how much is 'padding' to make the bits fit together. Plus the 'lost in translation' effects. But the ufo is a relatively recent phenomena. And one would think it should be easy to bring together all the records. But it isn't. And in the end we are right back to 'are ufos real 'objects', do aliens exist as corporeal entities, or is it all a big delusion. And is human nature the problem ? HAL. Hello HAL and Sys,
I believe in God because of an experience I had in 1984, Autumn. I was alone in the house and I had my forehead against the wall praying. I said, "Lord I can't do this alone." All of a sudden I felt the hair on the back of my neck stand up and I felt someone behind me. I turned around and didn't see anyone but an area just two feet in front of me shimmered, moved, it's hard to explain. Almost a waterfall of colors in one spot. It remained there for about 30 seconds. I just stood there. Then it was gone. I thought, "Well I'll be damned, somebody answered me." I have no idea who it was. I never felt threatened, more like, "You aren't alone."
For me it was a defining moment in my spiritual experience.
Crystal
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Post by Embassy Kat on Apr 24, 2019 6:59:14 GMT
Sys, (and Crystal), ... The spiritual doesn't feel feeling compelled to bring the other to their way of thinking..he doesnt need reinforcement of his position..It must be dreadful reaching the golden years and not understanding that.. Here you are mixing up the spiritual person and religion. They are not necessarily the same thing. I don't want to dwell on religion, that wasn't the point of the post I made. But I think you will agree that the group we know as ISIS will insist you come around to their way of thinking, or they will kill you. Anyway, the point wasn't religion, it was the existence or otherwise of God. Crystal believes in God. Fine, no problem at all with that. But it does beg the question 'Why' ? And the only reason I ask this is because my real aim is to know why people believe in Aliens. And the ufo scene in general. Religion is problematic because no one was keeping contemporaneous notes. All the text were complied years after the events. So we can't be sure how much is fact and how much is 'padding' to make the bits fit together. Plus the 'lost in translation' effects. But the ufo is a relatively recent phenomena. And one would think it should be easy to bring together all the records. But it isn't. And in the end we are right back to 'are ufos real 'objects', do aliens exist as corporeal entities, or is it all a big delusion. And is human nature the problem ? HAL. Yes Here I am and Here You Are distorting what I said.. If you werent interested in Religion why do you ask Her Why? It's not what you believe or not believe its what you do with it..What are you doing with yours? nothing that I can see..except challenging what the others believe ..some might say stalk..and for what..some sort of perverse pleasure..hanging a head on a trophy wall under the guise of academic inquiry? Is it the atheist form of prosletyzing..I see what she and others do with theirs..endless wonder..sharing experiences..things that make one grow.. inspire to create..to hope again..
And by the way I said religiosity ..and even God Aversive Atheists like yourself suffer from it..like an element of precult behaviour. why insist ala Doc Dread she explain ..you know well what I'm talking about..what are you frustrated about..what are you afraid of..what are you grappling with? her belief or that the sum total of your experiences or lack there of ..really dont add up to much in that logical framework?. Because perhaps something transformational happened in their life..something that I can predict with a fair modicum of certainty..will happen to you--albeit--late.. but lucky you when it does..then again you might not...But if Valle is right we are at the very intersection major cultural shocks and changes..historically epic periods..when these these phenomena manifest themselves in a very big way..and not like the military psyop masters programmed us to see them as.
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 24, 2019 11:00:26 GMT
Good morning lovely people,
Metro.UK
US Navy admits that UFOs have been spotted near top secret military facilities Jasper Hamill Wednesday 24 Apr 2019
The US Navy has sensationally admitted that UFOs have been spotted near military facilities. It has announced that ‘a number of reports’ of unidentified aircraft travelling into protected airspace and over military ranges, which means land owned by the American armed forces. Defence chiefs are so concerned that they have ordered the development of a new process to report and record mysterious sightings of ‘unauthorised’ and ‘unidentified aircraft’.
The announcement comes after details of a secret research drive called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) have slowly leaked into the public domain over the past two years. As well as investigating advanced technology like wormholes, anti-gravity and laser weapons, the project probed ‘unexplained aerial phenomena’.
more after the jump:
metro.co.uk/2019/04/24/us-navy-admits-ufos-spotted-near-top-secret-military-facilities-9300517/
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 24, 2019 11:14:27 GMT
Mr. MAC
Published on Apr 23, 2019
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Crystal
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 24, 2019 17:12:19 GMT
SYS DRILLED DOWN WITH,"HAL.
Yes Here I am and Here You Are distorting what I said..
If you werent interested in Religion why do you ask Her Why? It's not what you believe or not believe its what you do with it..What are you doing with yours? nothing that I can see..except challenging what the others believe ..some might say stalk..and for what..some sort of perverse pleasure..hanging a head on a trophy wall under the guise of academic inquiry? Is it the atheist form of prosletyzing..I see what she and others do with theirs..endless wonder..sharing experiences..things that make one grow.. inspire to create..to hope again..
And by the way I said religiosity ..and even God Aversive Atheists like yourself suffer from it..like an element of precult behaviour. why insist ala Doc Dread she explain ..you know well what I'm talking about..what are you frustrated about..what are you afraid of..what are you grappling with? her belief or that the sum total of your experiences or lack there of ..really dont add up to much in that logical framework?. Because perhaps something transformational happened in their life..something that I can predict with a fair modicum of certainty..will happen to you--albeit--late.. but lucky you when it does..then again you might not...But if Valle is right we are at the very intersection major cultural shocks and changes..historically epic periods..when these these phenomena manifest themselves in a very big way..and not like the military psyop masters programmed us to see them as."HMMM HAL...AND WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG?"Religion is problematic because no one was keeping contemporaneous notes. All the text were complied years after the events. So we can't be sure how much is fact and how much is 'padding' to make the bits fit together. Plus the 'lost in translation' effects. But the ufo is a relatively recent phenomena. And one would think it should be easy to bring together all the records. But it isn't. And in the end we are right back to 'are ufos real 'objects', do aliens exist as corporeal entities, or is it all a big delusion."HAL...AGNOSTICISM IS ONE THING BUT YOU'VE ALREADY PRE-JUDGED RELIGION AND UFOS' AS "lost in translation" AND/OR "a big delusion" WHILE DISMISSING COUNTLESS ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES/FRACTIONAL EVIDENCE CENTERED AROUND BOTH...UFOLOGY AND RELIGION.
SHALOM...Z
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Post by swamprat on Apr 24, 2019 17:15:28 GMT
More on the Navy's new approach:U.S. Navy drafting new guidelines for reporting UFOs The service says it has also 'provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety.'
By Bryan Bender
04/23/2019
The U.S. Navy is drafting new guidelines for pilots and other personnel to report encounters with "unidentified aircraft," a significant new step in creating a formal process to collect and analyze the unexplained sightings — and destigmatize them.
The previously unreported move is in response to a series of sightings of unknown, highly advanced aircraft intruding on Navy strike groups and other sensitive military formations and facilities, the service says.
"There have been a number of reports of unauthorized and/or unidentified aircraft entering various military-controlled ranges and designated air space in recent years," the Navy said in a statement in response to questions from POLITICO. "For safety and security concerns, the Navy and the [U.S. Air Force] takes these reports very seriously and investigates each and every report.
"As part of this effort," it added, "the Navy is updating and formalizing the process by which reports of any such suspected incursions can be made to the cognizant authorities. A new message to the fleet that will detail the steps for reporting is in draft."
To be clear, the Navy isn’t endorsing the idea that its sailors have encountered alien spacecraft. But it is acknowledging there have been enough strange aerial sightings by credible and highly trained military personnel that they need to be recorded in the official record and studied — rather than dismissed as some kooky phenomena from the realm of science-fiction.
Chris Mellon, a former Pentagon intelligence official and ex-staffer on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said establishing a more formal means of reporting what the military now calls "unexplained aerial phenomena" — rather than "unidentified flying objects" — would be a “sea change.”
“Right now, we have situation in which UFOs and UAPs are treated as anomalies to be ignored rather than anomalies to be explored,” he said. “We have systems that exclude that information and dump it.”
For example, Mellon said “in a lot of cases [military personnel] don’t know what to do with that information — like satellite data or a radar that sees something going Mach 3. They will dump [the data] because that is not a traditional aircraft or missile.”
The development comes amid growing interest from members of Congress following revelations by POLITICO and the New York Times in late 2017 that the Pentagon established a dedicated office inside the Defense Intelligence Agency to study UAPs at the urging of several senators who secretly set aside appropriations for the effort.
That office spent some $25 million conducting a series of technical studies and evaluating numerous unexplained incursions, including one that lasted several days involving the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group in 2004. In that case, Navy fighter jets were outmaneuvered by unidentified aircraft that flew in ways that appeared to defy the laws of known physics.
Raytheon, a leading defense contractor, used the reports and official Defense Department video of the sightings off the coast of California to hail one of its radar systems for capturing the phenomena.
The Pentagon's UFO research office, known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, was officially wound down in 2012 when the congressional earmark ran out.
But more lawmakers are now asking questions, the Navy also reports.
"In response to requests for information from Congressional members and staff, Navy officials have provided a series of briefings by senior Naval Intelligence officials as well as aviators who reported hazards to aviation safety," the service said in its statement to POLITICO.
The Navy declined to identify who has been briefed, nor would it provide more details on the guidelines for reporting that are being drafted for the fleet. The Air Force did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Advocates for treating such sightings as a potential national security threat have long criticized military leaders for giving the phenomenon relatively little attention and for encouraging a culture in which personnel feel that speaking up about it could hurt their career.
Luis Elizondo, the former Pentagon official who ran the so-called AATIP office, complained after he retired from government service that the Pentagon's approach to these unidentified aircraft has been far too blasé.
"If you are in a busy airport and see something you are supposed to say something," Elizondo said. "With our own military members it is kind of the opposite: 'If you do see something, don't say something.'"
He added that because these mysterious aircraft "don't have a tail number or a flag — in some cases not even a tail — it's crickets. What happens in five years if it turns out these are extremely advanced Russian aircraft?"
Elizondo will be featured in an upcoming documentary series about the Pentagon UFO research he oversaw. He said the six-part series will reveal more recent sightings of UAPs by dozens of military pilots.
Both Elizondo and Mellon are involved with the To The Stars Academy of Arts and Sciences, which supports research into explaining the technical advances these reported UAPs demonstrate.
www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290?fbclid=IwAR0dfm_NW1jjaAz_QT-a4oghjNwgCXwGvNSbTwvHbuEfTOiaG3IgMNG4xwc
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Post by nyx on Apr 24, 2019 18:20:13 GMT
After years of the UK and US saying we are not interested in UFOs, and the UK going as far as saying UFOs if existed were not harmful, I would say this is a MAJOR SHAKE UP in the Navy’s way of thinking.
I have seen them, they are always around, and UFO’s are real.
I wonder if TV programs like Project Blue Book are changing how people think of UFOs?
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Post by HAL on Apr 24, 2019 19:10:09 GMT
Something is going very wrong here.
I ask a simple question of Crystal, and she answers simply. Yet suddenly I am I am apparently bullying her.
I've just come off another site because they had an even more extreme view of any questions that were put to them.
Maybe it's time to go back to lurking.
See you all later.
HAL
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Apr 24, 2019 20:38:55 GMT
Something is going very wrong here. I ask a simple question of Crystal, and she answers simply. Yet suddenly I am I am apparently bullying her. I've just come off another site because they had an even more extreme view of any questions that were put to them. Maybe it's time to go back to lurking. See you all later. HAL Please don't leave (lurk) HAL.
Crystal
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Post by ZETAR on Apr 24, 2019 21:16:54 GMT
Something is going very wrong here. I ask a simple question of Crystal, and she answers simply. Yet suddenly I am I am apparently bullying her. I've just come off another site because they had an even more extreme view of any questions that were put to them. Maybe it's time to go back to lurking. See you all later. HAL HAL,
I'VE NEVER KNOWN YOU TO SHY AWAY FROM A HEALTHY/PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSION....IN LIEU OF YOUR OPENING THE DOOR TO SAME "So God, the protector of the innocent, omnipotent super-being, was asleep at the switch . Surprise, surprise. No doubt it is because God moves in mysterious ways. Come on folks, it's all bollocks. And you know it. HAL"YOU WERE CLEARLY IN THE STIR MODE WHEN YOU OPINED THE ABOVE. HEY HEY HEY...I GET IT! I KINDA LIKE IT WHEN YOU DO INDEED...
AS CRYSTAL STATES "(lurk) HAL" ~ YOU'RE PART OF THE CASEBOOK FAMILY SHALOM...Z
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