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Post by swamprat on Sept 5, 2018 14:27:37 GMT
Yearly Temperature Anomalies, 1880 to 2017 (Anomalies are variances from normal.)
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Fascinating to watch the years unfold! Light blue--slightly cooler; dark blue--much cooler; light orange--slightly warmer; darker orange--much warmer; red-- very much warmer! Check out this 40-second animation showing high and low temperatures of countries around the world over the period 1880 to 2017, created by researcher Antti Lipponen from the Finnish Meteorological Institute.
The animated timeline is based on historical and NASA satellite data.
U.S.A. is in the bottom row in the middle.
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=36&v=PhbdyNnUliM
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 14:43:57 GMT
The current ice age, called the Quaternary glaciation, which began 2.6 million years ago and extends into the present, has seen more or less extensive glaciation on 40,000 and later, 100,000 year cycles. The interglacials lasted about 10,000–20,000 years. The last glacial period ended about 11,500 years ago. Fifty years or even 100 of climate data in the global scheme of things is but a fleeting moment. A hip cut in the sun could last 1,000 years. Its foolhardy to make political decisions ascribing climate changes to human activities.
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Post by HAL on Sept 5, 2018 20:38:53 GMT
Gort,
...Fifty years or even 100 of climate data in the global scheme of things is but a fleeting moment...
If that fleeting moment causes massive tidal surges and months of forest fires then political decisions have to be made about what to do based on what is happening now and the probability that the same will happen for at least a few years. I understand that the Earthquake proofing regulations in California are based on the probability that 'The Big One' is long overdue based on historic records. Do you move your Nuclear power stations further inland to higher sites etc.
Best to be safe rather than sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2018 22:27:23 GMT
You are making an assumption that we are responsible, and climate change is not like an asteroid impact, it just doesn't happen that way. Too many sharknado movies!
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Post by HAL on Sept 7, 2018 19:03:31 GMT
Gort,
...You are making an assumption that we are responsible,...
Show me where I assume that. If the trend is towards a higher sea level then, in the above context, it doesn't really matter what caused it. All that matters is preparing for it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 19:39:35 GMT
Next year could be the start of an ice age and all that money to move nuclear power plants etc, a waste.
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Post by HAL on Sept 10, 2018 20:13:41 GMT
Gort,
I could fit expensive anti-burglar devices to my house and no one ever try to break in.
Is it a waste ?
Insurance companies play that game every day.
HAL.
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Post by swamprat on Oct 15, 2018 19:34:40 GMT
The dialogue continues.....Donald Trump says climate change not hoax, but takes aim at 'political agenda' of scientistsby Ben Riley-Smith, U.S. Editor
15 October 2018
Donald Trump has questioned whether climate change is “man-made” and suggested that world temperatures could start falling in the future.
The US president said during an interview with CBS’s 60 Minutes show that he does not think climate change is a “hoax”, reversing his previous position.
However Mr. Trump claimed that some scientists have a “very big political agenda” and suggested there is no consensus about the cause of global warming.
“I think something's happening. Something's changing and it'll change back again. I don't think it's a hoax, I think there's probably a difference,” Mr. Trump said.
“But I don't know that it's man-made. I will say this: I don't want to give trillions and trillions of dollars. I don't want to lose millions and millions of jobs. I don't want to be put at a disadvantage.”
The comments come just days after the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] warned that the Earth’s temperature could rise 1.5C by as early as 2030.
One IPCC board member said at the time that the world had “the slimmest of opportunities remaining to avoid unthinkable damage to the climate system that supports life as we know it”.
Mr. Trump, who has been a climate change sceptic for at least half a decade, announced last year that he would be pulling America out of the Paris Agreement on climate change, which seeks to limit greenhouse gas emissions.
He has also removed various emissions-reducing policies implemented by Barack Obama, his predecessor in the White House, and talked about the need to defend “beautiful, clean coal”.
Over the past six years Mr. Trump has frequently questioned the validity of climate change, calling it an “expensive hoax” and “nonsense”.
He often joked on Twitter about global warming whenever the weather was cold, once tweeting in 2015:
"It's really cold outside, weeks ahead of normal. Man! We could use a big fat dose of global warming!"
During his 60 Minutes interview, Mr. Trump walked back his claim that climate change was a hoax, but questioned the cause, saying “you don't know whether or not that would have happened with or without man”.
Challenged over how scientists have said extreme weather conditions are getting worse, Mr. Trump replied: “You'd have to show me the scientists because they have a very big political agenda.”
Elsewhere during the interview, Mr. Trump – who the interviewer said appeared more confident in the role of president than during their last chat shortly after the 2016 election - defended a string of his policies and public comments.
Mr. Trump insisted he had showed respect to Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused his Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault, despite mocking her failure to recall key details of the alleged incident during a rally speech.
“You know what? I'm not going to get into it because we won. It doesn't matter. We won,” Mr. Trump said. Mr. Kavanaugh denied the claim and has since taken up his seat on the Supreme Court.
Mr. Trump criticised Jim Mattis, his defence secretary, calling him “sort of a Democrat” and insisting that he knew more about the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation [Nato] than Mr. Mattis. The comments fuelled speculation that Mr. Mattis could leave his post.
The US president defended saying at a rally that he and Kim Jong-un, the North Korean leader, “fell in love”, insisting it was “just a figure of speech”.
Challenged that the words amounted to an embrace, Mr. Trump replied: “Let it be an embrace. Let it be whatever it is to get the job done.”
Mr. Trump also appeared to play down the seriousness of Russia’s disruptive actions abroad. Asked whether Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, was “involved in assassinations” and “poisonings”, Mr. Trump replied “probably he is, yeah”, but added: “It's not in our country.”
The remarks follow the attempted assassination of Sergei Skripal, the Russian double agent, on British soil in March 2018, though the specific case was not explicitly mentioned during in the interview.
And on politics and Washington, DC, Mr. Trump said: “This is the most deceptive, vicious world. It is vicious, it's full of lies, deceit and deception.”
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/10/15/donald-trump-says-climate-change-not-hoax-takes-aim-political/
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Post by swamprat on Oct 15, 2018 19:36:50 GMT
.....and... from the other side:
Dire warning issued on climate change. We shrugged.
by Leonard Pitts
October 15, 2018
What if the end of the world came and nobody noticed?
It’s not quite an idle question.
You see, something remarkable happened last week. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of scientists working under the aegis of the United Nations, issued a report on our planet’s health. Turns out it’s worse than we thought. Barring prompt – and politically unlikely – measures to drastically cut carbon output within the next decade, they say we’ll begin to see worsening droughts, wildfires, coral reef decimation, coastal flooding, food shortages and poverty beginning as soon as 2040.
You can expect mass evacuations from the most heavily impacted areas. As one of the report’s authors, Aromar Revi, director of the Indian Institute for Human Settlements, told The New York Times, “In some parts of the world, national borders will become irrelevant. You can set up a wall to try to contain 10,000 and 20,000 and 1 million people, but not 10 million.”
And we haven’t even gotten to the remarkable part yet. That has to do with our collective response to this doomsday prognosis. In a word, America shrugged. That’s a necessarily subjective analysis, but I’ll stand by it. Yes, news media dutifully reported the story and pundits dutifully sounded the alarm. But none of it seemed to quite register. Two days later, the story was pretty much over, our attention having already moved on.
You might correctly say this is to be expected, given the lack of environmental leadership from a White House that wants to bring back coal. But there’s also a subtler force at work.
Largely because of Donald Trump, you see, we live in a starkly different world than we did just three years ago. The unprecedented has become the ordinary, the emergency the everyday. Children in cages, MeToo, Robert Mueller, Stormy Daniels, Brett Kavanaugh, Jeff Sessions, North Korean nukes, election hacking, anonymous op-ed, administrative coup, EPA corruption, emoluments clause, NFL attacks, collusion confusion and lies, oh my.
It has become impossible to care about all you should care about, keep up with all you should keep up with. The human mind doesn’t have the bandwidth for it. Every day, you feel like you’re running uphill on an ever-accelerating treadmill with no stop button.
So then you read where the planet is melting, dire results expected soon, and you just shrug and file it away with all the other terrible things you’ll worry about when you get a chance. That’s understandable. But it presumes a luxury we don’t have – time. Again, this report says the world has 10 years in which to save itself – and we’ll spend at least two of those under Trump.
Always before, the hinge points of American history have somehow managed to find the people the times demanded: citizen soldiers at the founding, Union patriots at the unraveling, tough-minded strivers during depression and global war, American dreamers in the freedom years. But seldom before has the nation seemed as exhausted and fractured as it does now.
So the question of the moment is: What will this new hinge point bring out of us? The answer will come at the ballot box over the next two years. And the whole world waits with us to find out what we are. Are we truly the ignorance, incoherence and chaos of the moment, or are we the sense of purpose and cando that have always before defined America at its crossroads?
If we say it’s the latter, then we should feel ashamed, chastised by our history. Because if that history tells us anything, it tells us this: America doesn’t shrug.
Leonard Pitts is a columnist for The Miami Herald.
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Post by HAL on Oct 15, 2018 20:47:53 GMT
Right on, Brother Pitts.
Except you got the second to last word wrong.
When one looks at pictures of Mexico Beach you have to ask 'how the Hell are the folks there going to recover from that ?' Knowing that the likelihood is that it will happen again next year, if not again this year.
HAL
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Post by moksha on Oct 17, 2018 11:01:01 GMT
Right on, Brother Pitts. Except you got the second to last word wrong. HAL Hmm, Are you certain, How can we get to "ZERO NET EMISSIONS" ? ? ? ?
who knows when hypnosis is working ? the hypnotist .
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Post by purr on Oct 17, 2018 20:10:46 GMT
Swamprat, must say I'm very happy with Trump's climate positions to date! I do think the Global Warming THEORY (with it's Manmade emphasis) is unscientific, and falling short of proven-status. That said.. sumtin weird is going on, and has been goin on for some time, with Earth climate and weather. I'm not the only one wondering is that Autumn sun feeling unusually hot on my skin. Why were some solar observations seemingly withheld recently? How come tornados are moving in from the east in the Netherlands, and Portugal just now got hit with a hurricane system? Saying WE did it, suggesting we can change it back by going greener / limiting emissions is the official, soothing answer. So people won't ask (with increasing alarm) what really is causing our climate to go crazy on us... purr
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Post by HAL on Oct 17, 2018 20:42:06 GMT
Purr,
There are times when I can't see clearly across my living room (lounge). Also the air is very harsh. I can taste it, and it makes my eyes water. Add to that it has turned all my gleaming white gloss surfaces to more of a creamy colour.
I can stop all this by insisting my wife does not smoke in the house.
But she won't do that. Claims it is here right.
So if you scale everything up and observe the pollution and the waste heat from manufacturing processes etc, you can see why we are making a difference to the climate.
Lovelock formed his Gaia theory after noticing he couldn't see clearly across a space where he once could.
....So people won't ask (with increasing alarm) what really is causing our climate to go crazy on us...
So, what is the cause ?
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Post by purr on Oct 19, 2018 11:17:02 GMT
Purr, There are times when I can't see clearly across my living room (lounge). Also the air is very harsh. I can taste it, and it makes my eyes water. Add to that it has turned all my gleaming white gloss surfaces to more of a creamy colour. I can stop all this by insisting my wife does not smoke in the house. But she won't do that. Claims it is here right. So if you scale everything up and observe the pollution and the waste heat from manufacturing processes etc, you can see why we are making a difference to the climate. Lovelock formed his Gaia theory after noticing he couldn't see clearly across a space where he once could. ... .So people won't ask (with increasing alarm) what really is causing our climate to go crazy on us... So, what is the cause ? HAL. HAL/INT21, I don't know. To further align the smoking inside analogy: to be sure of the culprit check for all possible sources. Cataracts? Steak well done? House on fire? Poor woman might be partially / wholly innocent!! The Pres got it right this time: Earth really warms up at times. Human industry contributes. No proof industry has SIGNIFICANT effect! But even if it were found it had, our impact would be dwarfed by the (rare) natural disasters our unstable planet and dangerous cosmos have in store for us. Zo negotiate with / bribe / one of you moves into garden shed whatever regarding your better half. but.... BE PREPARED FOR HOUSE FIRES purr
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Post by HAL on Oct 19, 2018 19:55:05 GMT
Purr,
.. Human industry contributes...
But politicians and industry are reluctant to admit even that. Doing so would make them culpable.
Also, nothing wrong with my eyesight.
On a more serious point. secondary smoking kills nearly as many as does the actual smoking.
Her response to any anti-smoking suggestion is 'I like to smoke. If you don't like it, you know where the door is'.
HAL.
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