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Post by HAL on Aug 18, 2023 15:42:32 GMT
Going back to the original question.
I suppose that faith must allow for aliens as faith does not require any positive proof. Just the belief that it is a possibility.
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 19, 2023 3:36:24 GMT
Faith is the belief in something. The belief that something is real, without proof. Aliens are a possibility, this requires no faith, just logic. One can place their faith into many things. Many hopes, dreams, and falsehoods. Putting faith into a possibility can be dangerous; Many put their faith into Jim Jones; he served them special kool aide. Logic says, get away from this guy. Some put their faith in global warming; they receive $4 gas price. Has the globe cooled yet? Logic tells us this is a scam. I could go on, but my point has taken I think
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 19, 2023 3:38:58 GMT
Oh BTW - I have noted that people seem to base their beliefs off of their assumptions, rather than seeking out the matter for actual truth. So many today are blinded to truth as a result. I see this as a trend in American society more and more.
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Post by HAL on Aug 19, 2023 12:46:43 GMT
Oh BTW - I have noted that people seem to base their beliefs off of their assumptions, rather than seeking out the matter for actual truth. So many today are blinded to truth as a result. I see this as a trend in American society more and more. What is this truth you speak of ?And how would you know it. By the way I am speaking about actual provable truths; not religious indoctrination that requires no proof, just blind faith.
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Post by purr on Aug 19, 2023 17:05:20 GMT
Oh BTW - I have noted that people seem to base their beliefs off of their assumptions, rather than seeking out the matter for actual truth. So many today are blinded to truth as a result. I see this as a trend in American society more and more. Perhaps you are referring to a trend to consider life, everything to be ultimately meaningless. Any strong belief by extension becomes delusional. Call me crazy. I believe in God. I walk every day of my life with Jesus. This is how I view my life from its beginning to the moment I pass on. It works for me. Apart from this I have deep respect and curiosity for Science. I make my home in the real world and human society, and I love people (those who disagree with me included), especially friends and family of course. This translates for me to living a life full of meaning. But imo the most important part of my answer is: staying curious. What makes living on planet Earth wonderful is that there are so many Truths we do not yet know, like the UAP phenomenon. And today we are getting a chance to find out... purr
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 20, 2023 5:40:52 GMT
Hi Hal -
"What is this truth you speak of ?And how would you know it. By the way I am speaking about actual provable truths; not religious indoctrination that requires no proof, just blind faith."
I wasn't necessarily noting a truth, or even that a truth of a matter could be discovered, but I was speaking of the observation that people are not even trying... instead opting to make their truth, the very first thing that pops in their head. Critical thinking skills have dramatically decreased, countered by an increase of confusion hostilities leading to more violent outcomes. A decline in civilization.
Hi Purr -
"Perhaps you are referring to a trend to consider life, everything to be ultimately meaningless. Any strong belief by extension becomes delusional."
That is interesting. There indeed seems to be a psychological connection to materialism and the spiritual void. The more materials one attains the more hollow the void becomes. The conclusion could [in some] be that there is nothing to fill that void. If no materials can fill the void, nothing really seems to matter.
On the other hand;
The Bible says that God will burn this world with a fervent heat. A new Heavan and a new Earth. The former things will have past. No street name on a sign will remain, and no one around to see them. No statue nor tall building will stand, nor any face on a mountain. "Legacy" is a falsehood. In this sense, this life doesn't "really" matter, for it will pass, but something will begin anew.
I can see where different people may come to a similar conclusion, but for different reasons, and perhaps different overall outcomes.
On the subject; It appears that aliens will not escape this cosmic change.
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Post by HAL on Aug 20, 2023 19:33:54 GMT
.. Critical thinking skills have dramatically decreased... As you amply demonstrate.
Faith does not require critical thinking. In fact it is the antitheses of that.
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Post by cotes777 on Aug 21, 2023 5:06:55 GMT
Hi Hal - "As you amply demonstrate." LOL What... did you stop by my store today and observe me at work or something?
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Post by HAL on Aug 21, 2023 11:08:10 GMT
Hi Hal - "As you amply demonstrate." LOL What... did you stop by my store today and observe me at work or something? No, just following your posts. Although I suppose that a persons posts are a kind of shop. They set out their views for others to consider. Followed by 'I'll buy that'. Or 'Not buying that, old fruit, going off'.
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Post by moksha on Aug 21, 2023 17:22:07 GMT
Interesting, Faith, VS Critical THINKING I too often take the simple to Heart. Lost faith in the Monetary Lost faith in the political Lost faith in the scientific Found connection in words and numbers, MY NUMBERS, !!! I posted this many times MW=13.23 biblehub.com/matthew/13-23.htmHal, when I see monkeys build space ships and skyscrapers I have faith in evolution, when science can explain Ancient WiFi, and we are told about UFO and antigravitic travel I'll have faith in the truth. Science needs to evolve as much as recorded History. MW 1323
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Post by HAL on Aug 21, 2023 18:38:25 GMT
Science evolves all the time. It's progress is recorded history. How else could it be ?
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Post by moksha on Aug 22, 2023 11:31:55 GMT
Science evolves all the time. It's progress is recorded history. How else could it be ? Yes Hal, I'm not concerned about the method, I'm bothered by the silence and corruption, and IMHO, censored data, in both.
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Post by HAL on Aug 22, 2023 12:43:04 GMT
Science evolves all the time. It's progress is recorded history. How else could it be ? Yes Hal, I'm not concerned about the method, I'm bothered by the silence and corruption, and IMHO, censored data, in both. It always was so. And probably always will be. And there is the accidental misinformation as well.
We had a local election last week. And yesterday I looked up the results in the local paper. The correspondent had got it completely wrong. Even got some of the candidates in the wrong parishes.
You can't rust anyone these days.
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Post by purr on Aug 23, 2023 7:50:59 GMT
Yes Hal, I'm not concerned about the method, I'm bothered by the silence and corruption, and IMHO, censored data, in both. It always was so. And probably always will be. And there is the accidental misinformation as well.
We had a local election last week. And yesterday I looked up the results in the local paper. The correspondent had got it completely wrong. Even got some of the candidates in the wrong parishes.
You can't rust anyone these days.
You really ought not to rust anybody at all, HAL. They'll start thinking of you as a corrosive influence. purr
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Post by HAL on Aug 23, 2023 11:38:02 GMT
It always was so. And probably always will be. And there is the accidental misinformation as well.
We had a local election last week. And yesterday I looked up the results in the local paper. The correspondent had got it completely wrong. Even got some of the candidates in the wrong parishes.
You can't rust anyone these days.
You really ought not to rust anybody at all, HAL. They'll start thinking of you as a corrosive influence. purr My trust is always conditional. If you completely distrust everyone than you will never get anything done. But one should always remember that, given the right circumstances, even you most 'trusted' friend or relation will throw you under the bus.
When you get on a plane you assume that everyone involved in flying or maintaining the thing will have done their job properly. Does this mean you have faith in them, or would you define this kind of trust differently ?
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