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Post by swamprat on Jul 14, 2020 21:25:59 GMT
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Post by nyx on Jul 14, 2020 22:29:13 GMT
This is horrible!
This might hurt serious UFO studies for a long time.
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Post by WingsofCrystal on Jul 14, 2020 23:02:31 GMT
Oh no. This will really hurt MUFON.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 1:17:29 GMT
Very bad, sad for the UFO community. I hope that somehow MUFON can set it right.
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Post by swamprat on Jul 15, 2020 1:42:35 GMT
Huntington Beach Police Department
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In the past two weeks, detectives from the Huntington Beach Police Department's Special Enforcement Bureau have arrested two suspects on two separate incidents involving online crimes against children.
On July 3, detectives contacted a male by the name of Jan Harzan after Harzan solicited sexual activity from a detective he believed was a 13 year old girl. The suspect solicited the minor to meet for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity, and when the suspect agreed to meet the supposed minor, detectives were there to take him into custody.
On July 8, detectives contacted a different male by the name of Norman Powers after Powers also solicited sexual activity from the detective posing as a 13 year old, and also arranged to meet for the purpose of sexual activity. Once he arranged a meet, detectives contacted him and determined he was there to engage in sexual activity with a minor.
Both Harzan and Powers were arrested for multiple felonies and transported to the Huntington Beach Jail. Both of the suspects in these cases were specifically targeting minor females online. This is an great opportunity for us to remind anyone who has minor children with access to the internet - predators are out there, and they are looking for victims.
Please take the time to talk to your children about the dangers of talking to strangers online. This could range from social media apps (they all have instant or direct messaging), gaming, chat rooms that seem innocent, or even ads that predators post online to solicit children for sex. They may seem obvious to adults, but many children do not know what lurks out there on the web, and it's up to parents and guardians to make them aware.
Jan Harzan
Norman Powers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 5:11:57 GMT
Although this looks bad for the UFO community.... I am really glad they caught this pair of lowlifes!!
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Post by swamprat on Jul 15, 2020 14:42:49 GMT
Statement from the MUFON Board of Directors
In light of recent events, Jan Harzan has been permanently removed as the Executive Director of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON).
Effective immediately, he will no longer serve any role in the organization.
David MacDonald, Executive Director Emeritus and a member of the MUFON Board of Directors, will now assume the duties of Executive Director. MUFON remains committed to its core mission: the study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity. This mission is greater than any one person or member of MUFON and supersedes all other considerations. We will continue to move forward and focus on our mission statement.
The MUFON Board of Directors
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Post by maxxhazzard on Jul 18, 2020 13:20:29 GMT
how convenient two slezzzz balls found in Mufon .. just a couple of years ago Mufon had a falling out because of left wing ideas... and now.. this.... Im sure the powers that be want the end of Mufon... the science ppl I know .. hv low libido.... haha.. go to the movies with a science guy.. u will glance over to them and u can see the brains ticking on the project they left to c a move and arn't happy til their back at the office... hahaha... I believe Mufon has lost good personal years ago and the new Mufon made a push to lead away the path of order base on science... and a push is being made to disperse the UFO community...for where would we be without Mufon? the question should be will the UFO community blindly follow?? don't forget.. UFO Community ppl are the thinkers.. the ones whom ask deeper questions.. to go where no mind has gone before.. don't fall for the bs.... yeeeHaaa... peace
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Post by plutronus on Jul 18, 2020 14:13:28 GMT
Like anyone else who is a normal adult, I do not condone sexual misconduct with adolescent people, however, I'd like to point out that throughout recent history, it seems that anytime someone who makes significant 'waves' in UFOology, those persons have at times been 'attacked' and the strategy most often used is accusations of sexual misconduct with underage girls.
I don't consider 13yro girls to be 'children' per se in any case, as myself having raised 3 teenage step-daughters, none of them were 'children' at 13 yro. They were not adults but they were not children either.
And it was a police sting operation and we all very well know, that one can not really trust the veracity of the police, especially the district attorneys, as they lie, they distort, they hide evidence, they intimadate, and often they plant evidence. The DAs, they are professional misery mongers and being lawyers they are lawless professional truth benders. White Rights Matter too. I have mixed feeling re; the police and especially district attorney driven police sting operations. Might be completely above board, but who knows? We need the police, but the police do need to change their methods. Re-earn the trust of ALL the people.
I don't know what's happening anymore than anyone else does in this matter. However, as a caviette', you might consider that until Jan Harzan has been tried in a court of law, to not to jump to conclusions, just because the police say so!! One is innocent until proven guilty, under the Constitution, try to remember that. Also, remember that ET presence investigators through out the years have been accused of sexual misconducts with underage girls...'children', which were later proved to be invalid, but well after the accused reputation had been ruined. One of those persons was George Hunt-Williamson. Hunt-Williamson was an electronics engineer who was conducting contact experiments in 1970 with luminous-orbs. He was anonymously accused, which he vehementally denied and after he was fired from Lockheed, and his personal reputation was ruined and unemployable, the charges were dropped. George Hunt-Williamson went on to become affiliated with the "Law Of One" channel experiment conducted by Don Elkins, Carla Reuckhart and McCarty.
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Post by swamprat on Jul 18, 2020 15:02:04 GMT
"how convenient two slezzzz balls found in Mufon .."
Maxxhazzard, there is no information that Norman Powers was a member of MUFON or even knew Harzan?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:53:21 GMT
If there was communication indicating sexual contact and now the actual meeting seems the prosecutor has a strong case. I have a program that shows, on a local map, where sex offenders live. There are many living in my neighborhood. Fortunately my daughter is long gone in her own home with her kids. Also I think the local police have the map capabilities for public use.
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Post by swamprat on Jul 18, 2020 19:51:50 GMT
A Message from MUFON's new Executive Director David MacDonald:
HOPE
Heartache, uncertainty, tears, disappointment, war and strife. It seems like MUFON have been through it all.
And, we have! After 51 years MUFON has been through a lot. We have seen the good, the bad, the ugly and just about everything in between.
Regarding the recent unfortunate developments we need you to know that the MUFON Board of
Directors and Staff was totally blindsided by the events. Though in shock they moved quickly to address the issue.
But through it all we have continued on our mission.
We have emerged from the darkness, rose up from the valley of tears and have survived the constant attacks of our detractors, we have deflected the slings
and arrows of a multitude of malcontents. However, the Mothership we call MUFON has held its course and become faster, stronger, more powerful then any of those who try so hard to disrupt our mission.
Why?
Because of you! Our membership, our supporters, our volunteers, our backbone!
Mufon shall emerge from its troubles because we are strong. We can overcome our difficulties through it all, we understand the power of WILL, pure unwavering WILL! The absolute belief that we will endure,
and we will continue the mission. And with that applied WILL, HOPE shall emerge and guide us through the dark night.
This is not the first time I have been called on the step into the position of Executive Director under less than perfect conditions and I am humbled to accept the mantle.
There will be changes ahead, as there must be if we are to continuously evolve, strengthen and grow.
So, hang with me Mufonians. I am good at this and I promise that we will come out more competent, stronger and respected then we came in. MUFON is in good hands with a sound Board of Directors, staff and dedicated leaders we will go further than we have ever gone before.
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Post by plutronus on Jul 19, 2020 1:24:00 GMT
If there was communication indicating sexual contact and now the actual meeting seems the prosecutor has a strong case. I have a program that shows, on a local map, where sex offenders live. There are many living in my neighborhood. Fortunately my daughter is long gone in her own home with her kids. Also I think the local police have the map capabilities for public use. Sting operations are entrapment. To give an idea of what I mean, years ago, there was a guy who was caught in a sting operation in a Biloxi Mississippi bank. I was working at Keesler AFB, fixing avionics in shot-to-hell VietNam WarBirds. He was not a prior felon, and had no prior police record, he was just a guy off the street walking in to do some banking. He walked in, there was no one else in the bank and as he walked up to the teller he saw a bill laying on the floor. He stooped, picked it up, looked around and seeing no one, he put it in his pocket. It was a $100 bill. Now, maybe he should have given it to the teller? It was obvious that somebody had dropped it. But instead, he put into his pocket, and went about his business, and when done, as he walked out of the bank, two detectives arrested him for "bank-robbery." It was a police sting operation which was being promoted by the local District Attorney's office, while the 'buzz' around town was that the action was "for reputation building". But did the fellow actually rob the bank? In a long drawn out legal battle, the fellow was eventually exonerated, I don't recall what legal maneuvoring saved him from going to prison.
So how did the police setup Jan Harzan in their entrapment baiting? No information being given about that. Maybe it was really stinky how they did it?
If it is later revealed that Jan Harzan is actually targeting 13 year old adolescent girls, then he is a genuine skunk-rat and he deserves what ever is legally apportioned. But, police beauracy is often a skunky path.
When my K5 Blazer was burgalized,
the thief tried to steal it, but due to my (clever) kill-switch, he was unable to take it. Instead, he stole all my computer consulting equipment out of the lock box and took a Ford Bronco parked next to mine. I was inside a cancer research doctor's office doing engineering for the doctor. My stolen equipment was worth around $16,000 plus all my hand tools, worth around another $8,000 Dollars.
As I mark all my equipment then, and now, with my California Driver's License number and with my name, and I keep all the serial numbers of everything in databases, I made a list of the materials stolen and gave that list to the police.
Several days later, the Van Nuys Police Department recovered the Ford Bronco. I asked about my equipment and they told me that I needed to give them a list, but I already had. So I gave them a duplicate copy of the list I provided days earlier. Among the stolen items, was my unique, rollerskates. Unusual, as I copied the skates that the Black beach dance skaters with whom I frequently skate with, in that I had mounted on my plates, zippered US Ranger Jump Boots. Only 30 skates in the World have those type boots, making them unique.
The young blonde haired Whitey drug addict was arrested while buying drugs from a black drug dealer in Santa Monica. In his posession was the stolen Bronco. A few weeks later the DA subpoenied me as a witness in the trial of the car thief, using my recovered skates as more evidence of his crime. The police told me that they had not recovered any of my expensive equipment, just my skates. In the hallway, outside the courtroom at the Van Nuys Courthouse, while waiting to be called for testimony, I bumped into the fellow whose Bronco truck had also been stolen. Chatting, he asked what I was doing there? I told him I that my truck had been broken into, and he said, "Oh you're the computer guy?!", only I had not mentioned that point?, so I asked him how he knew that I was a computer guy and he said, that when he came down to the Van Nuys Police Station to get his truck, the back end of it was full of computer type gear and that the police were taking it out and putting it into the police property room.
The Van Nuys Police Department detectives stole all my expensive computer equipment, and then they sent the car thief to prison using the Dollar amount of my stolen equipment for the basis of the number of years that he was sentenced.
I knew a fellow who had a video store, who told me that when he was broken into, the alarm company would contact him, and that he had to race like a mad man to get to his store before the police, to prevent them from stealing him blind as evidenced by the internal security cameras during prior breakins.
There are lots of stories like this of police misconduct aside from just wantonly shooting people and using deadly choke holds.
I have mixed feelings about the police, in any case many are honest people, some are not.
So let's wait and see what the truth is re; Jan Harzan. Maybe he is a creep, maybe there is more to the story, may be not?
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Post by purr on Jul 19, 2020 3:11:32 GMT
Like anyone else who is a normal adult, I do not condone sexual misconduct with adolescent people, however, I'd like to point out that throughout recent history, it seems that anytime someone who makes significant 'waves' in UFOology, those persons have at times been 'attacked' and the strategy most often used is accusations of sexual misconduct with underage girls.
I don't consider 13yro girls to be 'children' per se in any case, as myself having raised 3 teenage step-daughters, none of them were 'children' at 13 yro. They were not adults but they were not children either.
And it was a police sting operation and we all very well know, that one can not really trust the veracity of the police, especially the district attorneys, as they lie, they distort, they hide evidence, they intimadate, and often they plant evidence. The DAs, they are professional misery mongers and being lawyers they are lawless professional truth benders. White Rights Matter too. I have mixed feeling re; the police and especially district attorney driven police sting operations. Might be completely above board, but who knows? We need the police, but the police do need to change their methods. Re-earn the trust of ALL the people.
I don't know what's happening anymore than anyone else does in this matter. However, as a caviette', you might consider that until Jan Harzan has been tried in a court of law, to not to jump to conclusions, just because the police say so!! One is innocent until proven guilty, under the Constitution, try to remember that. Also, remember that ET presence investigators through out the years have been accused of sexual misconducts with underage girls...'children', which were later proved to be invalid, but well after the accused reputation had been ruined. One of those persons was George Hunt-Williamson. Hunt-Williamson was an electronics engineer who was conducting contact experiments in 1970 with luminous-orbs. He was anonymously accused, which he vehementally denied and after he was fired from Lockheed, and his personal reputation was ruined and unemployable, the charges were dropped. George Hunt-Williamson went on to become affiliated with the "Law Of One" channel experiment conducted by Don Elkins, Carla Reuckhart and McCarty.
Good points, Plutronus. My thoughts. If this guy is found guilty of being a child / under age predator he should get whatever punishment he deserves in accordance with US law. I understand the nuance of 13 year old girls not being 'children' (in terms of psychological development, appearance and presentation), however I believe they need to be protected against sexual predators much the same way as young children because they are to be considered still highly vulnerable, lacking the worldly information to give 'consent' and at risk to be damaged for life, just like younger kids. I'm sure the judge will look at the sting operation, but if it turns out Harzan actually came out to physically meet with the 'girl' that's pretty damning imo. That said: MUFON has removed him forthwith. I see no reason why his alleged criminal conduct need have any more bearing on MUFON's core tasking as relates to UFOs. Better vet the hell out of the next Head.... purr
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Post by HAL on Jul 19, 2020 20:30:44 GMT
Swamprat,
Why should you resign ? You didn't do anything.
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